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08-26-2024, 01:32 PM
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I did a draft last week (not the league where I'm keeping Breece) where the lineup has 1 RB, 2 WR, and 2 Flex (instead of 2 RB and a single flex). This makes WR depth critical and you can get away with only starting one RB. I decided to take the strategy of taking WRs in the first 3 picks to have strength there then draft RBs until there were no more starters left to draft. I think the team I ended up with is OK given the circumstances, but when I was in the middle rounds drafting RBs, there seemed to be much more value there at WR, but I couldn't take one because I needed backs.

I ended up with:

QB: Daniels, Lawrence (QB is 50 yds/pt passing and 4 pt passing TDs, so QBs matter very little and running QBs are king)
RB: Javonte, Najee, Pollard, Singletary
WR: Jefferson, Harrison, London, Doubs, Polk, Tolbert
TE: Kincaid, Hockenson
DST/K: Who cares, last two picks.

I got the big 3 WRs who all should be elite #1 targets on their teams, and I'm really high on Kincaid (I took him as the TE2 after only LaPorta with Kelce, Andrews, McBride, etc still on the board) and got Hock late to sub in case Kincaid doesn't break out early as I expect him to. From the RBs, at least one should be good enough to start, but I felt there was better WR value on the board when I was taking them. The problem is that I had to veer away from WR for so long that I was left with basically dart throws when I got back to the position, so for the second flex, I'll need to either use another of the mediocre RBs or have one of the late round WRs to hit. It makes me nervous.

12T full PPR with the suppressed passing scoring.
I might have pushed it even further depending on the WRs on the board and maybe just took 1-2 of those RBs and loading up on more middle round WRs with the other picks.

The last 3 WRs probably have limited upside so I'd rather those picks be spent on the Braelon Allen, Zach Charbonnet, or Blake Corum types that are an injury away from being RB1s.

Otherwise I like it. Daniels probably better than every pocket passer with that scoring.
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08-26-2024, 01:39 PM
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I might have pushed it even further depending on the WRs on the board and maybe just took 1-2 of those RBs and loading up on more middle round WRs with the other picks.

The last 3 WRs probably have limited upside so I'd rather those picks be spent on the Braelon Allen, Zach Charbonnet, or Blake Corum types that are an injury away from being RB1s.

Otherwise I like it. Daniels probably better than every pocket passer with that scoring.
Yeah this is what people don't get

Let's say you have a 5 person bench. That's 5 lotto tickets with either rookie WRs like Puka last year or potential RB1 candidate like guys you listed (like kyren last year). If you hold a backup QB or a backup TE you're basically taking 20% of those tickets away. It's honestly a massive waste

Bye weeks aren't for 4-5 weeks right so a lot can happen til then. You could have had this year's kyrene on your bench but instead you were holding onto trevor lawrence

In a 12 team league there are 20 other potential QBs you can play. Guys like Goff, Darnold, Tua, etc will go off in certain matchups and you can stream them if need be then drop them for another lotto ticket
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08-26-2024, 02:11 PM
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Not a fan of your lineup

1) Never take a backup QB. It's just a wasted spot on your bench. Your bench should be full of backup WRs and lotto ticket RBs. Guys in ambiguous backfields like chase brown, rico dowdle, tyjae spears, etc that could easily win the starting role. Just stream QB the week you have a bad matchup or your QB is on bye

2) Wasted spot with Hockenson unless you can immediately IR him and grab a RB like I mentioned in point one. Even so, you'll never start Hock over Kincaid, so for how high I'm sure you had to draft Hock I think this was a wasted pick

3) Your WR depth is garbage. The rule of thumb is to draft as many WRs as you can start through the flex + 2. So in this lineup where you can start 4 WRs you should have drafted 6 quality WRs. Some of those can be late round flyers but you don't have a ton of upside except for Polk. Your initial 3 WRs are good but then it drops off a cliff. You are missing quality mid round guys like Rashee Rice, Godwin, Diontae Johnson, Brian Thomas Jr, etc

4) You obviously punted at the RB position. Najee is good. The rest are trash. For how bad you missed at RB your WR depth should be much better

I'll post my first draft results after tomorrow to show you what I mean
I wanted a decent backup QB because I took a rookie as a starter. Both QBs were fairly late. Same with TE. Kincaid as a starter is a risk (but one with league-winning upside), so if it doesn't work out as planned with him, Hock should be a plug & play whenever he's healthy. I'll have the first month to evaluate Kincaid first. I was able to stash Hock on IR and picked up Ray Davis in the first round of waivers. If I drafted 6 WRs right away, my RB depth would be even more garbage. As for the upside of the late guys, I like Polk, and even moreso now that it looks like Maye might start the season. I also like Tolbert's upside for someone taken at the end of a draft. Obviously Lamb is still there, but Cooks is getting older and has been injury prone, and Dak will have to throw 600 times this year since they have no running game, so someone is going to have to catch all those. The reports on Tolbert in camp have been really good and no one else has stepped up. It's a risk, but it's also a late pick with a clear path to upside. The Packers WR room is too crowded for Doubs to have WR1 upside, but he's starting in the 2 WR sets, so he should at least have a fairly safe floor in what should be one of the best pass offenses in the league.

The post was originally in the discussion about going RB-RB at the top. My other league where I kept Breece at 11 and have another pick at 14 is drafting next week. I'm definitely going to try to go in that direction in that one (and hope for either Barkley or Gibbs at 14) and then look for the WRs in the middle rounds after that where I was seeing a lot of value in the middle round picks. After the first draft seeing more value in the middle rounds for WRs than RBs (especially in a WR-weighted league), I think I want to be targeting WRs there instead of RBs.
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08-26-2024, 07:24 PM
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I wanted a decent backup QB because I took a rookie as a starter. Both QBs were fairly late. Same with TE. Kincaid as a starter is a risk (but one with league-winning upside), so if it doesn't work out as planned with him, Hock should be a plug & play whenever he's healthy. I'll have the first month to evaluate Kincaid first. I was able to stash Hock on IR and picked up Ray Davis in the first round of waivers. If I drafted 6 WRs right away, my RB depth would be even more garbage. As for the upside of the late guys, I like Polk, and even moreso now that it looks like Maye might start the season. I also like Tolbert's upside for someone taken at the end of a draft. Obviously Lamb is still there, but Cooks is getting older and has been injury prone, and Dak will have to throw 600 times this year since they have no running game, so someone is going to have to catch all those. The reports on Tolbert in camp have been really good and no one else has stepped up. It's a risk, but it's also a late pick with a clear path to upside. The Packers WR room is too crowded for Doubs to have WR1 upside, but he's starting in the 2 WR sets, so he should at least have a fairly safe floor in what should be one of the best pass offenses in the league.

The post was originally in the discussion about going RB-RB at the top. My other league where I kept Breece at 11 and have another pick at 14 is drafting next week. I'm definitely going to try to go in that direction in that one (and hope for either Barkley or Gibbs at 14) and then look for the WRs in the middle rounds after that where I was seeing a lot of value in the middle round picks. After the first draft seeing more value in the middle rounds for WRs than RBs (especially in a WR-weighted league), I think I want to be targeting WRs there instead of RBs.
This is a bad way to do fantasy

There are so many good QB options that are likely on your waiver wire. Guys like Goff, Herbert, Darnold, Caleb, Stafford, Cousins, Purdy, Tua, Geno, Minshew, etc. If Daniels ends up not working out you can literally just pick someone off of FA. Last year many of the top 12 QBs weren’t even drafted (Guys like Love, Cousins, Purdy)

Kincaid is absolutely not a risk lol he’s attached to Josh Allen and with Diggs gone there’s a good chance he’s the main receiving target or at least a 1A/1B guy. Because you can stash Hock on IR this isn’t as big of a deal

I just think your depth looks poor
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08-27-2024, 04:44 AM
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Auction draft from last night, prepping for my main draft this weekend. 12 team ppr, 2 flex.



Olave was the first player nominated and sometimes people hate bidding on the first player for some reason. Still got pretty good deals on most of the rest as well. It's silly the edge you can get in auction if you're familiar with it.
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08-27-2024, 05:31 AM
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how would you guys rate the top 12 players to draft first rd?

i like drafting RB/WR/RB/WR first 4rd and wing it from there by loading up on wr/rb depends on how others draft. I may grab te 5-7rd and qb 6-8rd.

what's the top 5 defense? my league does 2pts for tfl, 4th down stop,sacks,fumble recovery.
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08-27-2024, 09:31 AM
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Got my draft tonight. 10 man league. We play 2 QB's and no kicker. All auction draft.

I'm thinking I'm going to take only 2-3 RB's, 2 QB's, 1 TE, 1 D and 6-7 WR's. I always have good luck getting RB's after week 1 or 2 off the waivers.
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08-27-2024, 02:47 PM
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Yeah this is what people don't get

Let's say you have a 5 person bench. That's 5 lotto tickets with either rookie WRs like Puka last year or potential RB1 candidate like guys you listed (like kyren last year). If you hold a backup QB or a backup TE you're basically taking 20% of those tickets away. It's honestly a massive waste

Bye weeks aren't for 4-5 weeks right so a lot can happen til then. You could have had this year's kyrene on your bench but instead you were holding onto trevor lawrence

In a 12 team league there are 20 other potential QBs you can play. Guys like Goff, Darnold, Tua, etc will go off in certain matchups and you can stream them if need be then drop them for another lotto ticket

I rarely own a d or k until Sunday week 1. Often not a TE either and never a backup qb. Have even left drafts without a qb in past. Still 2 weeks of camp left, injuries happen.

I also drop my kicker and D each week and pick up back up RBs in case of practice injuries. Drop on Sunday morning to pick up any random kicker and D.
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08-27-2024, 03:53 PM
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I got Kyren off waivers last year and Breece off waivers the year before.

Keep up on the waiver order, you want to be at the top of the order week 2 or 3.
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08-27-2024, 03:56 PM
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I rarely own a d or k until Sunday week 1. Often not a TE either and never a backup qb. Have even left drafts without a qb in past. Still 2 weeks of camp left, injuries happen.

I also drop my kicker and D each week and pick up back up RBs in case of practice injuries. Drop on Sunday morning to pick up any random kicker and D.
I agree about kicker although I sometimes hold onto my defense if they have a good matchup that week.

In my leagues we can drop players after they played so I'll usually try and get a backup RB from the Thursday, drop them after for one in the early Sunday games, then drop it after for a kicker for the Sunday afternoon games. It's a bit of legwork but no downside.

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I got Kyren off waivers last year and Breece off waivers the year before.

Keep up on the waiver order, you want to be at the top of the order week 2 or 3.
That's insane that Breece was on waivers in his rookie year. I think I spent 3rd round pick on him and he got like 10 targets in week 1 so no idea why someone would have dropped him.
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08-28-2024, 04:27 AM
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how would you guys rate the top 12 players to draft first rd?

i like drafting RB/WR/RB/WR first 4rd and wing it from there by loading up on wr/rb depends on how others draft. I may grab te 5-7rd and qb 6-8rd.

what's the top 5 defense? my league does 2pts for tfl, 4th down stop,sacks,fumble recovery.
my league has similar additions to defensive scoring. i don't understand why more leagues don't do it. makes the game way more interesting. why would you set this up where your defense - who is on the field half the game - only really gets points from sacks and TDs? TFL, 4th down stops are huge plays

with those factors in mind the top scoring defenses last year were Dallas, Baltimore, and Cleveland. All fairly close to each other. All 3 are reasonably the same this season and I'd love any of them.

Top 12 players for the hell of it;
1 Mccaffrey - you're just obligated to take him IMO. i don't even like feeling like i 'have' to take somebody but this year he's 1.01 regardless.
2 Breece
3 Reek
4 Lamb
5 Saquon
6 Jefferson
7 Bijan
8 Henry
9 Jamarr Chase
10 Taylor
11 Gibbs
12 Etienne

not 100% sure on that kinda just off top of head. Kyren and Gibbs are hard to rank. Really not crazy about the news lately out of Rams camp about Kyren.

My league tends to lean into RB at the draft (in person) so despite what all the rankings say it always winds up RB heavy early.
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08-28-2024, 05:13 AM
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Yahoo new format sucks!

here's my ppr 12th man league picking at 6. Any thoughts on changes i can do?
Love
kupp godwin smith-njigba doubs jeudy
gibbs pacheco jCook warren dobbins mason
engram
pitts

I wanted rashaad white instead of pacheco but i got timed out.

2nd team .5ppr superflex 8thpick. only qb will be flexed.

love hurts mayfield
olave aiyuk diontejohnson sutton
henry rashaadwhite robinson jr chasebrown
engram
cleveland houston (2pts tfl,sacks,4thdown stop)
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08-28-2024, 06:13 AM
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Finished my first draft, this is my longest running one lots of good players. 12 Team HPPR, 2 Flex

QB - Dak
RB1 - Pacheco
RB2 - Jacobs
WR1 - Jefferson
WR2 - Nabers
TE - Kincaid
Flex1 - Rice
Flex2 - Diontae
Kicker - Bills
DST - Browns

Bench1 - Brian Thomas Jr
Bench2 - Chase Brown
Bench3 - Ty Chandler
Bench4 - Jordan Mason
Bench5 - Polk

Feeling pretty good about my lineup. A few other good teams in the mix so it should be a fun year
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08-28-2024, 07:15 AM
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Finished my draft. I didn't get Hurts who I really wanted. We do a full auction draft with $200, we can keep any player twice but after that the player goes back in the common pool. Hurts went for $86 so I couldn't do it. I got Goff for $1 LOL. We play 2 QB's and no kicker.

Anyway, My roster

Jared Goff
Justin Herbert
Kyren Williams
Aaron Jones
Kenneth Walker III
Ty Chandler
Amon St Brown
Puka Nacua
Drake London
Amari Cooper
Jordan Addison
Xavier Worthy
Evan Engram
Detroit Defense
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08-29-2024, 05:07 AM
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Finished my first draft, this is my longest running one lots of good players. 12 Team HPPR, 2 Flex

QB - Dak
RB1 - Pacheco
RB2 - Jacobs
WR1 - Jefferson
WR2 - Nabers
TE - Kincaid
Flex1 - Rice
Flex2 - Diontae
Kicker - Bills
DST - Browns

Bench1 - Brian Thomas Jr
Bench2 - Chase Brown
Bench3 - Ty Chandler
Bench4 - Jordan Mason
Bench5 - Polk

Feeling pretty good about my lineup. A few other good teams in the mix so it should be a fun year
solid team except Dak.
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08-29-2024, 05:12 AM
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Finished my draft. I didn't get Hurts who I really wanted. We do a full auction draft with $200, we can keep any player twice but after that the player goes back in the common pool. Hurts went for $86 so I couldn't do it. I got Goff for $1 LOL. We play 2 QB's and no kicker.

Anyway, My roster

Jared Goff
Justin Herbert
Kyren Williams
Aaron Jones
Kenneth Walker III
Ty Chandler
Amon St Brown
Puka Nacua
Drake London
Amari Cooper
Jordan Addison
Xavier Worthy
Evan Engram
Detroit Defense
Always flex QB in superflex league. I would've focus on getting top 2 qb. check my previous post.
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08-29-2024, 07:58 AM
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Always flex QB in superflex league. I would've focus on getting top 2 qb. check my previous post.
I know I know but I cheaped out on the top 3 QBs and after that the gap becomes pretty small. Hurts, Mahomes, Stroud, Murray went for 40%- 45% of our allowed money in the entire auction draft. Seems a little steep and over priced.

I have Xavier Worthy, Jordan Addison and Ty Chandler I can easily drop. Thinking about grabbing another QB like Sam Darnold. He is in KOC's offense with Jefferson, Jones, Addison and Hockinson and a very good Oline. I also want Rico Dowdle as I don't think Elliot can handle a full load effectively. Swap out Addison or TY for Sam and Xavier for Rico.

I'll add, I have taken 2nd place in 2 of the last 4 years and 3rd once. I'm so close but I can't get over that hump. I did have Hurts the last 3 years. He was huge for my roster I will say that.
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08-29-2024, 10:48 AM
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solid team except Dak.
settings vary but last year Dak was QB3 in my league. this year all his weapons are the same for the most part unless you think them losing tony pollard is some big deal. the OL will miss tyron smith but not to the point where I'd avoid prescott.

i don't see how he's not a solid player.
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settings vary but last year Dak was QB3 in my league. this year all his weapons are the same for the most part unless you think them losing tony pollard is some big deal. the OL will miss tyron smith but not to the point where I'd avoid prescott.

i don't see how he's not a solid player.
Dak is fine for redraft this year. Dallas is a good team in a "win now" window with no running game. If Dak stays healthy, he's going to approach 5000 yards and 30+ TDs this year. I'm a little more leery of him in dynasty now because, if he doesn't start winning playoff games this year, his seat as a starter is going to start to get a little hot, but he's certainly not going to get benched for Cooper Rush or Trey Lance this year.
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Dak is fine for redraft this year. Dallas is a good team in a "win now" window with no running game. If Dak stays healthy, he's going to approach 5000 yards and 30+ TDs this year. I'm a little more leery of him in dynasty now because, if he doesn't start winning playoff games this year, his seat as a starter is going to start to get a little hot, but he's certainly not going to get benched for Cooper Rush or Trey Lance this year.
I usually rank QBs in tiers to keep myself from reaching. to me Dak's in a tier with Burrow where you know they're good. any given week having them as your starter, you'll be competitive. Last year may have been his peak, but he HAS thrown 30 scores or more in 3 of his last 4 full seasons.

Allen
Hurts

Mahomes
Lamar

Burrow
Dak
Kyler
Stroud

disclaimer i have no idea what i'm doing with anthony richardson yet.
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solid team except Dak.
Dak was the QB3 last year and the team didn’t get any worse. They have a lot of home games and a lot of tomato cans they can squash. They are something like 33-1 at home the last two years and have the highest point total against non playoff teams. Dak will be borderline top 5

I got him in the middle of the 9th round, for a top QB that’s pretty good lol
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you guys sure love Dak lol. His relationship with Jerry is not a good one. I don't know if it'll affect his performance or he ball out. i guess we'll see.
Allen,Hurts,Love,Stroud,Mahomes,Burrow,Jackson,Her bert would be better.
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I usually rank QBs in tiers to keep myself from reaching. to me Dak's in a tier with Burrow where you know they're good. any given week having them as your starter, you'll be competitive. Last year may have been his peak, but he HAS thrown 30 scores or more in 3 of his last 4 full seasons.

Allen
Hurts

Mahomes
Lamar

Burrow
Dak
Kyler
Stroud

disclaimer i have no idea what i'm doing with anthony richardson yet.
For Richardson, if he falls to like the 6th or 7th (and I'm in a league that favors running QBs), I'll take him for the upside, but that's another situation where I would likely draft a second QB (i.e. Lawrence, Goff, Cousins, etc.) who I know will be steady and playable if AR fails.
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you guys sure love Dak lol. His relationship with Jerry is not a good one. I don't know if it'll affect his performance or he ball out. i guess we'll see.
Allen,Hurts,Love,Stroud,Mahomes,Burrow,Jackson,Her bert would be better.
I mean Dak can consistently produce. His relationship with Jerry is a nothing burger, that’s dumb noise that you should never pay attention to

Allen’s Hurts Mahomes Lamar are obviously all tier 1

But Dak is right there with the other guys you listed (better than Herbert how that he has no weapons) and he goes much later in the draft

I’m willing to bet Dak does better than Stroud this year. Stroud is overrated he only had 22 TDs last year, less than Derek Carr and Russell Wilson lol
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08-30-2024, 10:27 AM
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For Richardson, if he falls to like the 6th or 7th (and I'm in a league that favors running QBs), I'll take him for the upside, but that's another situation where I would likely draft a second QB (i.e. Lawrence, Goff, Cousins, etc.) who I know will be steady and playable if AR fails.
You know you can get those guys on the waiver wire if AR goes down and not waste a precious bench spot that should be filled with RBs

Here are the QBs in my 12 team leagues FA right now post draft


Love
Stafford
Herbert
Cousins
Rodgers
Darnold
DJ
Wilson
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You know you can get those guys on the waiver wire if AR goes down and not waste a precious bench spot that should be filled with RBs
I have not drafted in a single league where guys like Lawrence or Goff or Cousins weren't drafted. If you're in a league where guys of that caliber are on waivers, then yes, don't waste a bench spot.
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fuark got the draft position #7 for my main league's draft tonight

mock drafting sux balls every single person keeps leaving after the first round and then its auto picks so theres no challenge on what kind team i can potentially build


Who should be my first pick at around pick #7 and potential snake around 2nd pick.
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I have not drafted in a single league where guys like Lawrence or Goff or Cousins weren't drafted. If you're in a league where guys of that caliber are on waivers, then yes, don't waste a bench spot.
If your league mates are constantly holding backup QBs on their bench then the quality of competition in your league is horrible lol
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You know you can get those guys on the waiver wire if AR goes down and not waste a precious bench spot that should be filled with RBs

Here are the QBs in my 12 team leagues FA right now post draft


Love
Stafford
Herbert
Cousins
Rodgers
Darnold
DJ
Wilson
I don't think it's worth rostering multiple QBs all season but I also don't think Love should be a FA.
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considering how many QBs went down last year I can't blame somebody for having a second one on the roster. you know you are doing that at the sacrifice of a potential RB lottery ticket but QB injuries were no joke LY.
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