08-22-2024, 07:38 AM
#31
Originally Posted By XiangYu⏩
1. If you feel like your ailment is a life or death situation go to the ER. If its an issue thats not going away after a long period of time, get a second opinion.
I have zero respect for doctors, MAYBE there are a few actually good ones out there, but me and family NEVER had any positive experience with them.
**** advices, **** treatment, clueless as **** and rude.
**** advices, **** treatment, clueless as **** and rude.
2. Schedule your appointments early in the morning. You schedule some 3:30pm appointment after they've dealt with a bunch of people all day, they're gonna be passive aggressive and quick to get you out of the office. They probably spent too much time on some 87 year old who could hardly hear what he was saying, so he had to keep repeating himself, or they're wanting to tell the doctor their whole life story because they're lonely, and now he's realizing its almost time to close up the clinic but he still has 15 patients to deal with.
Whats often not talked about is how old people take up a LOT of the doctors time. When I worked in a clinic we would often have old folks schedule appointments just to talk to the doctor about nonsense (their time in the War, how their kids never come by to visit etc) completely unrelated to their health. So, when a Physician does get a younger person in their office they feel like they can get them in and out in a short amount of time.
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08-22-2024, 08:08 AM
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Having my life saved more than once by doctors, I guess I am in the minority here. I'm glad they chose to do what they do.
Now if you are asking are they worthless when it comes to things like knowledge of anabolics or nutrition? Most don't know chit.
I think most doctors get less than 8 hours of training when it comes to nutrition.
Now if you are asking are they worthless when it comes to things like knowledge of anabolics or nutrition? Most don't know chit.
I think most doctors get less than 8 hours of training when it comes to nutrition.
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08-22-2024, 08:12 AM
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I'm quite skeptical of our health care system. Much of it has less to do with science than most would believe. I tend to be a minority with that belief though, at least with the people I know.
I think doctors can be quite helpful at times. I don't believe they will be replaced by AI/computers. it is best though to be well informed about your health problem(s) and to not blindly trust a doctor. Thankfully finding information about conditions has never been easier.
I was recently reading too that it is probably a good idea to not let a doctor know your politics. at least one doctor out of Oregon was claiming she would purposely misdiagnose conservative patients.
I think doctors can be quite helpful at times. I don't believe they will be replaced by AI/computers. it is best though to be well informed about your health problem(s) and to not blindly trust a doctor. Thankfully finding information about conditions has never been easier.
I was recently reading too that it is probably a good idea to not let a doctor know your politics. at least one doctor out of Oregon was claiming she would purposely misdiagnose conservative patients.
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08-22-2024, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
They DO know, but they're only going to tell you what they were taught in literature. They're not going to tell you to take creatine or 200g of protein per day because they know that you get enough creatine from red meat and taking too much creatine without drinking enough water can lead to kidney problems. They also know that the human body only needs about 50g of protein per day. They don't care about your desires to gain muscle to excel in a sport. They just want to keep you alive. If you want that kind of advice go to a specialist that Specializes in Sports Medicine.
Having my life saved more than once by doctors, I guess I am in the minority here. I'm glad they chose to do what they do.
Now if you are asking are they worthless when it comes to things like knowledge of anabolics or nutrition? Most don't know chit.
I think most doctors get less than 8 hours of training when it comes to nutrition.
Now if you are asking are they worthless when it comes to things like knowledge of anabolics or nutrition? Most don't know chit.
I think most doctors get less than 8 hours of training when it comes to nutrition.
As for learning about nutrition it really depends on the Medical School. At the University of New Mexico we had a GIN-Block (the equivalent of 12 credits worth) dedicated to the G astro I ntestinal tract, and the biochemistry of N utrition and how fats proteins and carbohydrates are utilized by the body.
08-22-2024, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted By ProSaibot⏩
Mirin tell me more about the bells palsy
Yes
Docs are really overrated and most are retarded.
I had prostatitis and Bells Palsy. Had to rely on myself to cure both. It took me good research and connecting the dots through logic to do so.
Docs have like 20 years of experience and still don't know basic shyt.
It is all down to because they lack logic.
They know on paper stuff but if the problem is slightly more complex, they struggle to make any logical connections or assumptions.
Engineers/Architects/Physicians are usually way smarter since they actually had to think logically to graduate, rather than read some shyt and rephrase it.
Docs are really overrated and most are retarded.
I had prostatitis and Bells Palsy. Had to rely on myself to cure both. It took me good research and connecting the dots through logic to do so.
Docs have like 20 years of experience and still don't know basic shyt.
It is all down to because they lack logic.
They know on paper stuff but if the problem is slightly more complex, they struggle to make any logical connections or assumptions.
Engineers/Architects/Physicians are usually way smarter since they actually had to think logically to graduate, rather than read some shyt and rephrase it.
08-22-2024, 09:18 AM
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They're very good at memorizing stuff and are good test takers, but that's about it. With all that memorizing they sometimes don't have time to dissect the BS from the facts, especially with psychology.
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08-22-2024, 09:24 AM
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Doctors will 100% be replacable by AI (coupled with physical monitor devices) in our lifetimes. i.e. AI will be the superior option.
All they do is rush you out the door these days, by writing a "educated guess" prescription or recommending surgery.
I usually go to multiple doctors when I have a chronic issue, and they usually give different recommendations. It's subjective bias and squeezing $.
Modern medicine is still clueless wrt anything except ACUTE issues (e.g. broken bone, cuts, physical organ issues). For anything holistic: chronic pain, mental illness, dietary issues, hormonal issues, they're pretty much clueless.
All they do is rush you out the door these days, by writing a "educated guess" prescription or recommending surgery.
I usually go to multiple doctors when I have a chronic issue, and they usually give different recommendations. It's subjective bias and squeezing $.
Modern medicine is still clueless wrt anything except ACUTE issues (e.g. broken bone, cuts, physical organ issues). For anything holistic: chronic pain, mental illness, dietary issues, hormonal issues, they're pretty much clueless.
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08-22-2024, 09:33 AM
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woofie and Jtaylor both were pretty spot on and repped but also agree with the ones that think Doc's are overrated.
Many think they know everything and are told they are very smart and become wildly overconfident. At parties they will admit to telling patients to do things capriciously without any basis.
The worst business owners I have seen are doctors. Constantly in error but never in doubt.
I have been convinced I have had "X" and my PA has figured out I had "Y" instead. He is awesome and doesn't have the ego, I think its because he's a PA. Great guy.
Many think they know everything and are told they are very smart and become wildly overconfident. At parties they will admit to telling patients to do things capriciously without any basis.
The worst business owners I have seen are doctors. Constantly in error but never in doubt.
I have been convinced I have had "X" and my PA has figured out I had "Y" instead. He is awesome and doesn't have the ego, I think its because he's a PA. Great guy.
08-22-2024, 09:51 AM
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Every doc I've seen outside of the VA has usually been an idiot. Surprisingly my doctors at the VA don't care wtf I try even if it's illegal. They offer advice based on what they do know about it. Really impressed with them.
Perhaps it's different with the VA because they aren't going to get sued and they're protected.
If you're going into some corporate owned doctor office through your insurance, good luck getting actual help. They're there to make money for themselves and the company, that's why they don't have their own practice.
AI will help the good docs and replace the bad ones. The absolute best docs are likely going to pursue things like surgery. I'd imagine very few docs actually want to be patient facing; that's the worst part of the job.
Perhaps it's different with the VA because they aren't going to get sued and they're protected.
If you're going into some corporate owned doctor office through your insurance, good luck getting actual help. They're there to make money for themselves and the company, that's why they don't have their own practice.
AI will help the good docs and replace the bad ones. The absolute best docs are likely going to pursue things like surgery. I'd imagine very few docs actually want to be patient facing; that's the worst part of the job.
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08-22-2024, 09:58 AM
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Most are probably around average intelligence. But they're certainly not health experts who want to help you get healthy. They're more like glorified drug/test/referral dealers
08-22-2024, 09:59 AM
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OP gives off bitter loser vibes.
First a thread about the Chad in your class who absolutely mogged you in every way and ended up vastly more successful but you thought you won because he didn't do a PhD (nor did you).
Now you're hating on vastly successful doctors because they put the brutal time and effort into their studies and are paid appropriately for it. But no, op thinks they're idiots.
Time to take a good long look in the mirror buddy.
First a thread about the Chad in your class who absolutely mogged you in every way and ended up vastly more successful but you thought you won because he didn't do a PhD (nor did you).
Now you're hating on vastly successful doctors because they put the brutal time and effort into their studies and are paid appropriately for it. But no, op thinks they're idiots.
Time to take a good long look in the mirror buddy.
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08-22-2024, 10:01 AM
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Start to watch some med school lectures and you tell me if they are dumb or not.
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08-22-2024, 10:18 AM
#43
Originally Posted By Luc1fer⏩
Again their jobs are not in trouble because they are the only ones with access to a DEA number that allows them you prescribe you prescription medication.
Doctors will 100% be replacable by AI (coupled with physical monitor devices) in our lifetimes. i.e. AI will be the superior option.
All they do is rush you out the door these days, by writing a "educated guess" prescription or recommending surgery.
I usually go to multiple doctors when I have a chronic issue, and they usually give different recommendations. It's subjective bias and squeezing $.
Modern medicine is still clueless wrt anything except ACUTE issues (e.g. broken bone, cuts, physical organ issues). For anything holistic: chronic pain, mental illness, dietary issues, hormonal issues, they're pretty much clueless.
All they do is rush you out the door these days, by writing a "educated guess" prescription or recommending surgery.
I usually go to multiple doctors when I have a chronic issue, and they usually give different recommendations. It's subjective bias and squeezing $.
Modern medicine is still clueless wrt anything except ACUTE issues (e.g. broken bone, cuts, physical organ issues). For anything holistic: chronic pain, mental illness, dietary issues, hormonal issues, they're pretty much clueless.
but more importantly, do you know how to set a broken bone before applying a cast? Do you have access to the tools and lab to perform biopsy on a suspicious looking mole on the skin, and do you know whether or not you need an ACE-Inhibitor, ARB or a diuretic for your high blood pressure?
08-22-2024, 10:37 AM
#44
Originally Posted By lnvictus⏩
LOL yeah hop into a lecture with no base to understand the jargon used. Just because they can memorize doesn't mean they're that smart, just smarter than average.
Start to watch some med school lectures and you tell me if they are dumb or not.
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You don't need a DEA number to get drugs on the DL. Just cuz the DEA tries to do a job doesn't mean it stops drug trafficking, now does it. If AI wasn't suppressed, it'd tell you how to set a bone. The only difference is the doc has the experience if anything were to go wrong. And many docs rely on other docs in many cases, because they often don't have specialized experience anyway.
Again their jobs are not in trouble because they are the only ones with access to a DEA number that allows them you prescribe you prescription medication.
but more importantly, do you know how to set a broken bone before applying a cast? Do you have access to the tools and lab to perform biopsy on a suspicious looking mole on the skin, and do you know whether or not you need an ACE-Inhibitor, ARB or a diuretic for your high blood pressure?
but more importantly, do you know how to set a broken bone before applying a cast? Do you have access to the tools and lab to perform biopsy on a suspicious looking mole on the skin, and do you know whether or not you need an ACE-Inhibitor, ARB or a diuretic for your high blood pressure?
Bringing up blood pressure is kinda funny since most doctors don't even know how to lower your blood pressure without a pill or what causes it to be high in the first place.
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08-22-2024, 10:40 AM
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Most are not idiots, it's just that the vast majority of ailments, especially chronic ones caused by poor lifestyles compounded over years cannot be solved by traditional "medicine".
Majority of issues will only get better with drastic lifestyle changes like improving diets and cutting out alcohol and other processed garbage, exercise, stress management, optimizing sleep, hydration, targeted vitamins/minerals for deficiencies.
But the average dumb American just wants a magic "pill" to do that for them.
As Lucifer said, they are great for acute problems - if you have broken a bone, need a surgery, or something like that.
Majority of issues will only get better with drastic lifestyle changes like improving diets and cutting out alcohol and other processed garbage, exercise, stress management, optimizing sleep, hydration, targeted vitamins/minerals for deficiencies.
But the average dumb American just wants a magic "pill" to do that for them.
As Lucifer said, they are great for acute problems - if you have broken a bone, need a surgery, or something like that.
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08-22-2024, 10:43 AM
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most are pill pushers. big pharma hackeys
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08-22-2024, 10:52 AM
#47
Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
regarding #2…i understand what you're saying is probably accurate, but do you realize how chit of an excuse that is when it comes to people's health, or someone who chose a profession that helps people?
1. If you feel like your ailment is a life or death situation go to the ER. If its an issue thats not going away after a long period of time, get a second opinion.
2. Schedule your appointments early in the morning. You schedule some 3:30pm appointment after they've dealt with a bunch of people all day, they're gonna be passive aggressive and quick to get you out of the office. They probably spent too much time on some 87 year old who could hardly hear what he was saying, so he had to keep repeating himself, or they're wanting to tell the doctor their whole life story because they're lonely, and now he's realizing its almost time to close up the clinic but he still has 15 patients to deal with.
Whats often not talked about is how old people take up a LOT of the doctors time. When I worked in a clinic we would often have old folks schedule appointments just to talk to the doctor about nonsense (their time in the War, how their kids never come by to visit etc) completely unrelated to their health. So, when a Physician does get a younger person in their office they feel like they can get them in and out in a short amount of time.
2. Schedule your appointments early in the morning. You schedule some 3:30pm appointment after they've dealt with a bunch of people all day, they're gonna be passive aggressive and quick to get you out of the office. They probably spent too much time on some 87 year old who could hardly hear what he was saying, so he had to keep repeating himself, or they're wanting to tell the doctor their whole life story because they're lonely, and now he's realizing its almost time to close up the clinic but he still has 15 patients to deal with.
Whats often not talked about is how old people take up a LOT of the doctors time. When I worked in a clinic we would often have old folks schedule appointments just to talk to the doctor about nonsense (their time in the War, how their kids never come by to visit etc) completely unrelated to their health. So, when a Physician does get a younger person in their office they feel like they can get them in and out in a short amount of time.
brb "sorry you hit my 3pm slump, can't afford to give you proper medical attention/care"
As far as the OP goes…i don't really blame them in that regard. there's a lot of information and the human body is a complex machine
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08-22-2024, 10:53 AM
#48
Originally Posted By Zackad⏩
Unfortunately, that's just human nature.
regarding #2…i understand what you're saying is probably accurate, but do you realize how chit of an excuse that is when it comes to people's health, or someone who chose a profession that helps people?
brb "sorry you hit my 3pm slump, can't afford to give you proper medical attention/care"
As far as the OP goes…i don't really blame them in that regard. there's a lot of information and the human body is a complex machine
brb "sorry you hit my 3pm slump, can't afford to give you proper medical attention/care"
As far as the OP goes…i don't really blame them in that regard. there's a lot of information and the human body is a complex machine
It gets worst if they are old/older and have been doing it for decades.
They're just trying to wrap up things and retire at that point. They don't give a fuk
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08-22-2024, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted By _zman⏩
Maybe for narcotics, but you're not going to find medication for heart arrhythmia (amiodarone) or gabapentin for neuropathy on the black market, nor will you have access to general anesthetic gases to perform, say, an appendectomy let alone access to the sterile environment and proper tools to perform the procedure. Moreover, do you know how to read an EKG to understand when something is wrong with the heart? Can you spot nuances in an x-ray to properly diagnose?
You don't need a DEA number to get drugs on the DL. Just cuz the DEA tries to do a job doesn't mean it stops drug trafficking, now does it. If AI wasn't suppressed, it'd tell you how to set a bone. The only difference is the doc has the experience if anything were to go wrong. And many docs rely on other docs in many cases, because they often don't have specialized experience anyway.
Bringing up blood pressure is kinda funny since most doctors don't even know how to lower your blood pressure without a pill or what causes it to be high in the first place.
Bringing up blood pressure is kinda funny since most doctors don't even know how to lower your blood pressure without a pill or what causes it to be high in the first place.
When I was in HS, a friend of mine was in a bad car accident and suffered a collapsed lung. Is ChatGPT going to teach you how to repair a collapsed lung? And even if it did, have you been trained in such a procedure or would you want someone who went to school and has practiced to perform the operation?
08-22-2024, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By 6gorillion⏩
for sure lol. that's why i don't go to doctors unless I absolutely have to. And I haven't needed to for as long as I can remember. Just a physical here and there.
Unfortunately, that's just human nature.
It gets worst if they are old/older and have been doing it for decades.
They're just trying to wrap up things and retire at that point. They don't give a fuk
It gets worst if they are old/older and have been doing it for decades.
They're just trying to wrap up things and retire at that point. They don't give a fuk
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08-22-2024, 11:00 AM
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Yes. It’s very rare finding a good doctor. It’s meant to be that way as it’s first and foremost a business.
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08-22-2024, 11:02 AM
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I have herbal concoctions that cure just about anything besides death.
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08-22-2024, 01:14 PM
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There's a few good ones out there. I had an indian doctor who was an old man when I was a kid and my parents swear by him being the best doctor they ever knew. Not super friendly (though he was polite) but straight to the point and very thorough, knew tons of stuff about everything. The few times me or my siblings had more severe medical issues he always knew exactly what the problem was and how to treat it and was always right. Today, most doctors don't seem to know that stuff and just give you generic answers about everything
"Maybe it was something you ate"
"Maybe you have the flu"
"Maybe maybe maybe"…. 20 years in school to tell you maybe
"Maybe it was something you ate"
"Maybe you have the flu"
"Maybe maybe maybe"…. 20 years in school to tell you maybe
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08-22-2024, 01:20 PM
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Their training tells them nothing about lifestyle or how to treat/prevent chronic diseases. They're good at helping somebody currently suffering a heart attack, but useless at helping people avoid them.
08-22-2024, 01:24 PM
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A doct didn’t know what the hormone DHT was he didn’t even know it existed
He tried telling me testosterone was responsible for hairloss lol
He tried telling me testosterone was responsible for hairloss lol
08-22-2024, 02:06 PM
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Surgeons or ones that actually perform a procedure to fix something are useful. All the others are glorified pharmaceutical sales reps with a medical license (deadfkinsrs)
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08-22-2024, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
I'd tell him to use the other lung.
Maybe for narcotics, but you're not going to find medication for heart arrhythmia (amiodarone) or gabapentin for neuropathy on the black market, nor will you have access to general anesthetic gases to perform, say, an appendectomy let alone access to the sterile environment and proper tools to perform the procedure. Moreover, do you know how to read an EKG to understand when something is wrong with the heart? Can you spot nuances in an x-ray to properly diagnose?
When I was in HS, a friend of mine was in a bad car accident and suffered a collapsed lung. Is ChatGPT going to teach you how to repair a collapsed lung? And even if it did, have you been trained in such a procedure or would you want someone who went to school and has practiced to perform the operation?
When I was in HS, a friend of mine was in a bad car accident and suffered a collapsed lung. Is ChatGPT going to teach you how to repair a collapsed lung? And even if it did, have you been trained in such a procedure or would you want someone who went to school and has practiced to perform the operation?
Everything you've mentioned would be done by a PA in the ER while the doc sleeps on shift.
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08-22-2024, 04:42 PM
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as much as i fkin hate reddit, they have some really good subreddits to find out whats wrong with you.
Doctors are trash. 1 in 50 are actually "okay".
If its not a black and white obvious answer, they struggle…
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08-22-2024, 04:43 PM
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what subreddit?
as much as i fkin hate reddit, they have some really good subreddits to find out whats wrong with you.
Doctors are trash. 1 in 50 are actually "okay".
If its not a black and white obvious answer, they struggle…
Doctors are trash. 1 in 50 are actually "okay".
If its not a black and white obvious answer, they struggle…
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Originally Posted By 6gorillion⏩
Well i think it depends whats wrong with you. If you think you may have a gallstones, there will be a subreddit for that. Just search it and ask what they think.
what subreddit?
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