08-22-2024, 05:17 AM
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Are most doctors actually just idiots?
They spend 12 years studying medical school only to sit in an office and use a computer to check a list of symptoms of what some disease could be.
These days most information can be found on the internet, and you'll do a better job than most doctors, since you're motivated to find out what's wrong with you.
These days most information can be found on the internet, and you'll do a better job than most doctors, since you're motivated to find out what's wrong with you.
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08-22-2024, 05:24 AM
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Would trust the misc doctors over actual doctors semi srs
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08-22-2024, 05:25 AM
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Let me guess, a dr mogged you after your sister mogged you?
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08-22-2024, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
They spend 12 years studying medical school only to sit in an office and use a computer to check a list of symptoms of what some disease could be.
These days most information can be found on the internet, and you'll do a better job than most doctors, since you're motivated to find out what's wrong with you.
These days most information can be found on the internet, and you'll do a better job than most doctors, since you're motivated to find out what's wrong with you.
Well, maybe you could see a doctor who specializes in Apes…?
Could try the zoo.
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08-22-2024, 05:26 AM
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Most people are idiots and doctors are no exception
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08-22-2024, 05:26 AM
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This is always my strategy with my family doc. I assume they are going to know nothing about my history and not care because they don't have time. So I walk into an appointment, tell them "hey, I have symptom A, B and C and I think it is either D, E or F. I'd like this test or this prescription." Basically they are just a gatekeeper for the next step in my opinion.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
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08-22-2024, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
Yup.
They spend 12 years studying medical school only to sit in an office and use a computer to check a list of symptoms of what some disease could be.
These days most information can be found on the internet, and you'll do a better job than most doctors, since you're motivated to find out what's wrong with you.
These days most information can be found on the internet, and you'll do a better job than most doctors, since you're motivated to find out what's wrong with you.
Ever seen a doctor google something right in front of you?
08-22-2024, 05:27 AM
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They get idolized
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08-22-2024, 05:29 AM
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license to sell antibiotics and narcotics
doctors are pretty much useless
hey it burns when i pee again, give me a shot and round of antibiotics.
doctors are pretty much useless
hey it burns when i pee again, give me a shot and round of antibiotics.
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08-22-2024, 05:31 AM
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i think that the ones that work for major medical institutions are living in a prison and instead of actually practicing medicine, they have to do what the institution wants which is to just be drug dealers and keep people sick and coming back
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08-22-2024, 05:31 AM
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The vast majority of them are just pill pushers, at this point they like to sell the treatment but not the cure.
If you ever want to test this, go and inquire, see your doctor about getting trt. And see their reaction, considering the fact that you just want to improve the quality of your life as a man.
If you ever want to test this, go and inquire, see your doctor about getting trt. And see their reaction, considering the fact that you just want to improve the quality of your life as a man.
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08-22-2024, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Same here.
This is always my strategy with my family doc. I assume they are going to know nothing about my history and not care because they don't have time. So I walk into an appointment, tell them "hey, I have symptom A, B and C and I think it is either D, E or F. I'd like this test or this prescription." Basically they are just a gatekeeper for the next step in my opinion.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
Originally Posted By CellyTech⏩
Doctors were useful before computers were a thing I guess.
Yup.
Ever seen a doctor google something right in front of you?
Ever seen a doctor google something right in front of you?
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TBH test can be pretty dangerous, but so is estrogen, yet they prescribe it to little girls so they can hoe around consequence free like it's nothing.
The vast majority of them are just pill pushers, at this point they like to sell the treatment but not the cure.
If you ever want to test this, go and inquire, see your doctor about getting trt. And see their reaction, considering the fact that you just want to improve the quality of your life as a man.
If you ever want to test this, go and inquire, see your doctor about getting trt. And see their reaction, considering the fact that you just want to improve the quality of your life as a man.
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08-22-2024, 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
I take the same approach - 60% of the time it works every time.
This is always my strategy with my family doc. I assume they are going to know nothing about my history and not care because they don't have time. So I walk into an appointment, tell them "hey, I have symptom A, B and C and I think it is either D, E or F. I'd like this test or this prescription." Basically they are just a gatekeeper for the next step in my opinion.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
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08-22-2024, 06:02 AM
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I went to 6 different doctors during convid, I had a lump on my thyroid and couldnt barely function, everyone told me it was covid. I literally had the outer 1/3 of my eyebrows missing, which is telltale sign of hypothyroidism, and they all brushed it off
Bought my own levothyroxin, got my own labs, was able to function, then finally early this year I go see another doc, benign tumor on thyroid.
Just went to see sleep doc for sleep apnea cuz gf woke me up crying that I wasnt breathing. That creep just kept asking me if I was hypersexual, he badically just WANTED me to have "sleeping beauty" syndrome.
Bought my own levothyroxin, got my own labs, was able to function, then finally early this year I go see another doc, benign tumor on thyroid.
Just went to see sleep doc for sleep apnea cuz gf woke me up crying that I wasnt breathing. That creep just kept asking me if I was hypersexual, he badically just WANTED me to have "sleeping beauty" syndrome.
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08-22-2024, 06:14 AM
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Yes
Docs are really overrated and most are retarded.
I had prostatitis and Bells Palsy. Had to rely on myself to cure both. It took me good research and connecting the dots through logic to do so.
Docs have like 20 years of experience and still don't know basic shyt.
It is all down to because they lack logic.
They know on paper stuff but if the problem is slightly more complex, they struggle to make any logical connections or assumptions.
Engineers/Architects/Physicians are usually way smarter since they actually had to think logically to graduate, rather than read some shyt and rephrase it.
Docs are really overrated and most are retarded.
I had prostatitis and Bells Palsy. Had to rely on myself to cure both. It took me good research and connecting the dots through logic to do so.
Docs have like 20 years of experience and still don't know basic shyt.
It is all down to because they lack logic.
They know on paper stuff but if the problem is slightly more complex, they struggle to make any logical connections or assumptions.
Engineers/Architects/Physicians are usually way smarter since they actually had to think logically to graduate, rather than read some shyt and rephrase it.
08-22-2024, 06:18 AM
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I made a post on this in detail months ago lol
Doctors are just slower versions of AI
They’re middle men and professionals at reciting lines of text from a text book without actually understanding anything or asking why
They don’t question why nor do they care you just put the info into them and they spit it out at rapid speeds, like an AI
except ai is 1000x faster than doctors now
No independent thought just program them and they recite the lines of text
Doctors are just slower versions of AI
They’re middle men and professionals at reciting lines of text from a text book without actually understanding anything or asking why
They don’t question why nor do they care you just put the info into them and they spit it out at rapid speeds, like an AI
except ai is 1000x faster than doctors now
No independent thought just program them and they recite the lines of text
08-22-2024, 06:25 AM
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Devils advocate.
What about the older docs that have been practicing for 40 years and seen it all?
What about the older docs that have been practicing for 40 years and seen it all?
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08-22-2024, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer ben⏩
If you can find one still in the game
Devils advocate.
What about the older docs that have been practicing for 40 years and seen it all?
What about the older docs that have been practicing for 40 years and seen it all?
Old guys often end up corrupted, and I think usually by going after women they have no business trying to get with.
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08-22-2024, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted By scooterbrah⏩
something along these lines. My dad is a doctor and they used to actually practice medicine, make informed decisions, etc…not its an endless if this, then that loop/process that is dictated by insurance requirements, their bosses being accountants and CEO types and not doctors, and the threat of being sued for malpractice, i.e. its as much about risk management and profit for the institutions as it is about care for the patient. It doesn't mean doctors are idiots, most of them don't like where the profession has gone imho.
i think that the ones that work for major medical institutions are living in a prison and instead of actually practicing medicine, they have to do what the institution wants which is to just be drug dealers and keep people sick and coming back
08-22-2024, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer ben⏩
My grandfather was one of the top orthopedic surgeons arguably in the world. He did some crazy stuff sometimes when we had issues growing up but it always worked well. Experience counts for sure.
Devils advocate.
What about the older docs that have been practicing for 40 years and seen it all?
What about the older docs that have been practicing for 40 years and seen it all?
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08-22-2024, 06:38 AM
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Just pray to God to cure your AIDS, OP.
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08-22-2024, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
100% this.
This is always my strategy with my family doc. I assume they are going to know nothing about my history and not care because they don't have time. So I walk into an appointment, tell them "hey, I have symptom A, B and C and I think it is either D, E or F. I'd like this test or this prescription." Basically they are just a gatekeeper for the next step in my opinion.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
Though I say it’s more a product of the system than it is the individual doctor most of the time(though I have seen full blown potato doctors before). Between insurance and big pharma, they’re pretty much locked down into a very narrow field of options they can use to serve their patients. Couple that with the fact they’re expected to turn and burn a new patient about every 15 minutes, and it’s easy to see why healthcare leaves so much to be desired these days.
On the other side, my trt clinic doesn’t take insurance and I get 45 minutes to an hour for each consultation if I want and he’ll discuss all kinds of things with me. He’s also much more willing to optimize my health and life instead of just pushing pills on me that profit big Pharma. It honestly makes me kind of sad when seeing what healthcare could be like vs what it is, because I experience both sides every year.
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08-22-2024, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer ben⏩
In my experience those are often the ones with the most outdated views on things…like telling you that trt will give you prostate cancer or all kinds of other crappy information. Sure some could be great, but all people fall into habits and comfort and doctors are no exception. The information and literature changes somewhat frequently, but the older doctors are probably locked into their ways. Not all obviously…just using generalities there.
Devils advocate.
What about the older docs that have been practicing for 40 years and seen it all?
What about the older docs that have been practicing for 40 years and seen it all?
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08-22-2024, 06:45 AM
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drug dealers for big pharm.
Also, you USED to be able to search your symptoms and find good information, now you cant find anything.
Also, you USED to be able to search your symptoms and find good information, now you cant find anything.
08-22-2024, 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
This guy gets it.
This is always my strategy with my family doc. I assume they are going to know nothing about my history and not care because they don't have time. So I walk into an appointment, tell them "hey, I have symptom A, B and C and I think it is either D, E or F. I'd like this test or this prescription." Basically they are just a gatekeeper for the next step in my opinion.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
90% of the time they are relieved I've done the work for them and can get rid of me in five minutes. It's rare they will take a pause and actually say "well, what about this and this" and we have a discussion about it.
With today's health care you HAVE to be proactive and you have just as much access as they have to information. Use it.
and OP, doctors are constrained by two things; The Law, and time. They're constrained by the Law in the sense they can't tell you to take a bunch of holistic chit because that stuff is not in the FDA approved list of medications and if you take that supplement and something goes wrong you can sue them. HOWEVER, if they prescribe you a drug (like Ozempic or whatever) and you develop gastroparesis and have to have your stomach removed or something horrible, then you can only sue the drug manufacturer, not them. They're constrained by time because you're just 1 of over 50 people they have to see in a day and every one of those patients are wanting a 1.5hr checkup/consultation when it would be impossible to get to everyone if they followed that model.
There are not enough doctors and there are too many people in this country to properly attend to everyones health needs. Also, they can't do the job alone. There needs to be some effort on the patients part to take care of themselves, but people can't even manage to do that. They're eating trash, not exercising ballooning up to 350+lbs (160kg) and think drugs are going to fix their problem.
08-22-2024, 07:00 AM
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While i am a capitalist, when everything becomes just about profit, we lose our sense of humanity somewhere. The pharmaceutical companies need to be held accountable
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08-22-2024, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted By CellyTech⏩
Its always been that way. Do you expect them to know the entire spectrum of health and medicine off the top of their head? Thats impossible. Back in the olden days, they would
"step out for a second"
to go back to their office and look through their old college textbooks and notes, and then come back with an answer.
Yup.
Ever seen a doctor google something right in front of you?
Ever seen a doctor google something right in front of you?
The way a typical check-up works is;
-They come into the room
-you give them your symptoms
-they poke and prod for more answers because usually your symptoms are very vague and can be a laundry list of issues
-They give a quick physical (bp/otoscope/edema check/heart rhythm check etc)
-Take notes on all their findings
-leave for a bit (i.e. going back to their desk to draw a conclusion based on the symptoms you told them, your medical Hx, you gender your age the drugs you take etc
Then come back with an answer
08-22-2024, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
Back in the old days docs were useful because people couldn’t just grab a textbook and research for the answer
Its always been that way. Do you expect them to know the entire spectrum of health and medicine off the top of their head? Thats impossible. Back in the olden days they would
"step out for a second"
to go back to their office and look through their old college textbooks and notes, and then come back with an answer.
But every since google came out it… and now that ai is out doctors are completely done for lol
Old ai hardware is now Ganna get replaced with new ai that gives you answer in milisecond
08-22-2024, 07:28 AM
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I have zero respect for doctors, MAYBE there are a few actually good ones out there, but me and family NEVER had any positive experience with them.
**** advices, **** treatment, clueless as **** and rude.
**** advices, **** treatment, clueless as **** and rude.
08-22-2024, 07:38 AM
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One of the leading causes of death is medical malpractice. The amount of medical error is very high. I think a lot of doctors are overwhelmed and overworked. Any "problem solving" job can be like that. They get away with it because it's a "practice" not an exact science.
Still amazes me how some doctors just don't even try to be sure they are right. I understand that sometimes they have to make a knee jerk decision such as in the ER, and sometimes the data can be inconclusive so you have to just make an educated guess, but so often doctors will not even spend much thought on something.
Still amazes me how some doctors just don't even try to be sure they are right. I understand that sometimes they have to make a knee jerk decision such as in the ER, and sometimes the data can be inconclusive so you have to just make an educated guess, but so often doctors will not even spend much thought on something.
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