You've also been saying Ryan is an elite QB and we all know that's not true. Sooo…..

Ah I see, you’re just emotional right now lol. You’re trying to throw some shade after a humiliating And exposing loss in the SB.

I was sticking to 49er talk, but you’re unable.

Not sayin the 49ers would have won, but those were some seriously bad calls by the refs.

Steve Young on the game and the team, i feel encouraged.

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I trust Jimmy Garoppolo to keep improving as a QB. Your backhanded compliments aren't adding anything to the conversation.

Garoppolo isn't Tom Brady or Joe Montana. Doesn't mean he can't improve and get back to the dance and win it. We'll see what happens. Hard to get into a rhythm when your OL can't block the one guy who keeps making huge plays and batting passes down.

And the throw to Sanders someone pointed out was very similar to the one vs the Rams where while it was a completion Sanders had to stop for it. He clearly put more air under this one and it was too far. Sh*t happens.

Life long 49er fan checking in.

I'm not going to sulk about the loss last night. I'm still incredibly proud of this team. Huge turnaround from last year's record of 4-12.

Although it was heartbreaking to say the least, the talks of getting rid of Kyle Shanahan is insane. Yes, he made some questionable play calling and time management, however, some of the greatest coaches of all time had game plans that didn't go how they planned.

I think the organization will still give Jimmy G another chance since they invested so much money in him. We'll see next year.

The offensive line wasn’t bad at all. They can’t win every play. The 49ers are a complete team, so of course they can go back. The problem is that jimmy is just a guy On a great team, and won’t win it when he needs to. And the 49ers better win soon because soon those guys on the dline will want to get paid.

And people like to pretend about teams not being the same after a humiliating super bowl, let’s see if that happens

He's been winning pretty much the whole time he's been with the team. You guys can try to call him whatever you want but we have clear evidence when he's not the QB of the 49ers under Kyle we lose games in bunches. When he's starting games for us we win a lot more than we lose.

Lost this one…can't change that and it stings given the level of the game but he's shown he can win and he's a still relatively inexperienced starter. He'll grow like many other QBs.

I see we can't even have our own thread now after a loss lol

Mostly agree with what genus said. A lot of bad calls, no calls, it's very clear that the league chose the Chiefs to win this one from the start. The 9ers were the superior team which is why they were still up despite all the ref attempts to keep the Chiefs in the game but at some point, you give Mahomes enough opportunities and disrupt the 9ers rhythm enough and the Chiefs were bound to come back

It sucks to lose that way. If we just went in and got out played it would be a lot easier to take. But the fact that it was a blatant rig job to anyone who watches football coupled with Jimmy G's terrible 4th Q performance makes it unbearable

I'm still hopeful for next year, we have a lot of studs and a lot to build off of, but Jimmy G is going to be a ? after this game. I think there are some overreactions but you can't have a 4th Q performance like that in a big game

Lol at the hate on Kyle. Yeah he made some bad calls and bad clock management calls but he's the reason this team has turned around, between him and Lynch. We don't even make it to the SB without Shanahan

I don't see Jimmy as a ?

I see him as a guy who needs to improve but someone who should improve.

2 years removed from the ACL injury. More time to build chemistry with the WRs we have.

Let's not forget that typically a QB grows chemistry with WRs more in the offseason and camps versus in season.

I don't think it's a coincidence that he dropped a dime to Kittle who he's played with since 2017 but overthrew Sanders who came into the team midway through the season.

Obviously it's hard to say what the team will look like next year and that's why it's so critical that when you get to the SB you close it out cuz you never know - look at Atlanta, LA and a ton of other teams who make it there, lose and don't come back for a LONG time. Hell look at us in 2012. How quickly that team disintegrated

I do think our front office will be able to maintain the nucleus of this roster and given our winning and how close the team is I think we'll get more guys willing to come here.

The draft will be critical but we don't have a lot of picks to work with. Have to hit every pick at this point and honestly I haven't even really dived into who I want at this point since it's been a while since we've gotten this far. Last few years draft prep started way earlier.

For me I'm thinking DB and OL is #1A/1B need but I can see us going with WR early as well due to the talent available in this class.

Most likely I think we'll try to trade out of pick 31 to recoup some of the picks we traded away.

The big Free Agents coming up for us

Key guys from the SB team:
Sanders
Ward
Armstead - I think he gets franchised
Garland - played very well after Richburg got hurt and given his injury we definitely need a center who can start

Key depth guys:
Shon Coleman - may not be needed with Brunskill and Skule playing well
Damontre Moore - he played pretty well before getting hurt would like to bring him back for edge rush depth
Ronald Blair - ditto

Restricted Free agents:
Breida
Bourne
Moseley
Mullens
Dwelley
Wilson
Brunskill

Most likely guys up for extensions

Kittle
Buckner

Salary cap space is definitely not something we have a ton of anymore but Marathe is a mastermind at cap management and I'd be shocked if we can't get some of these key extensions done and let any of our key guys leave.

Definitely expect some cap casualties and we should definitely expect changes.

I think if I'm betting on us not re-signing any of they guys it would be Sanders and Ward but it's pointless to speculate right now. Time will tell.

Sure i put a lot blame on Kyle. I feel like he went away with what was working the first half. The Chiefs dared us to stand in the pocket and throw. We played right into that.


And yes without putting on my tin foil hat I do feel the NFl wanted to Chiefs to win. What is more sexy? Andy Reid finally winning and having the youngest QB to win and get MVP?

If we get 2 calls for us… The PI on Kittle and maybe one of those helmet to helmet hits on Jimmy that would have changed that game.

1. He clearly pushed off. Stop crying.

2. Bang bang play. If you’re relying on a RTP flag to win the super bowl then you don’t deserve to win.

It stings that he fell apart in the 4th Q. He can play well all season (Which he did) but if you choke in the 4th Q of the SB that's pretty big. I don't doubt his abilities. He can make some killer passes, he's shown he can protect the football when he tries. But he has to be able to show up in key situations and get it done. He's done it more often than not this season, but this one stings. It sucks that the refs and the defense put him in that situation to begin with

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This is something I already thought about as well. Kittle is a priority! Can we keep both Buckner and Armstead? Ward this year changed my mind about him and I wouldn't mind seeing him here longer. Sanders would be fun to keep around as well.


I think more importantly we will get rid of Goodwin, McKinnon and a few others. That will free up some space.

Lmao. Still crying, I see. You keep bringing that up but completely negate the no calls the other way because of your horrible bias.. And the 49ers were not the better team. They would've won if that were the case.

Who was crying? We all have said that even if some calls were made or not made they lost the game. They didn't make the plays they needed? Stop trolling and get out of here.

BigDerps was crying the entire game.

i don't want to invade the niners thread but that guy said all the saints do is whine about the refs and here he is doing exactly what he was hating on the saints fans for. That being said, niners played good, but not good enough. I don't think anyone could have stopped Mahomes and the chiefs this year.

Yup. Tat's why it's hilarious that they lost. I feel for the other 49ers fans, but BigDerps crying as much as he has been is just perfect.

I mean the 49ers outplayed them for 3+ quarters, so they stopped them for that long, but Kyle, Jimmy, and the defense decided to completely **** the bed in the 4th. The end to the first half was inexcusable, too. So many people were saying Reid was going to screw up clock management but it was the other way around.

As much as people are getting on Kyle, Jimmy G had an open Sanders on a TD that would have given them the lead and he missed it. That's a play you NEED your QB to make. If he connects that game might end differently.

I went back to watch the pass plays in the 4th quarter.

Jimmy didn't play great but people bashing him need to go back and check just what we had going on out there.

Here are the incompletions while we still had a chance - not looking at the end last drive where he threw the pick.

2nd and 9: Just above Deebo as a blitzer is coming in on him and he can't deliver a proper pass
3rd and 14 - no offsides called. 49ers end up punting.

2nd and 5: Batted down pass by Jones
3rd and 5: Hit to the head while throwing - no call and incomplete 49ers end up punting.

1st and 10: Jones batted down pass
2nd and 10: Jones batted down pass/near pick - if Jones doesn't get his hand on it I think it gets in to Bourne.
3rd and 10: Miss to Sanders
4th and 10: Sacked, had Kittle as a dump off but didn't see him with all the bodies around him

So despite the narrative there was really only one bad throw by him and it was to Sanders. Sucks that we had a chance there and didn't connect but the numbers definitely don't tell the full story. OL simply didn't play well in the 4th quarter and Chris Jones just made some terrific plays.

There were technically 6 incompletions in the list above and on 3 of them Jones batted the ball down or changed the direction of the ball creating an incompletion.

Jimmy is the QB, so it's on him to make something happen if the OL breaks down. Many QBs will make a good throw when a blitzer is coming in. He didn't play well in the fourth, bro.

He will make every excuse in the book for Jimmy. I get it, but damn.

Yeah, we've all done it for the QB of our team when he's messed up, lol.

Your point is valid but flawed given what actually happened.

The 49ers are not a team who run a "make something happen" offense. Some teams have QBs who preach scramble drills and encourage their QBs to run around and make sh*t happen. 49ers play within their scheme and that's why Kyle was brought in here.

If a QB is mid windup and throwing the ball and a defender is coming in on him…show me someone who is able to pull that ball down, avoid the hit and find an open receiver down the field?

How many accurate throws did Mahomes make in the game with guys coming in to blow him up down the middle?

Then the organization is stupid for not allowing some improv, which is pretty necessary to be an elite QB. That type of scheme is ridiculously flawed.

I wasn't talking about someone pulling the ball down. I was talking about someone accepting that they're going to get hit and they continue to throw a good ball. Acting like that doesn't happen is just disingenuous. People also avoid the hit and find open WRs all the time, too, so you're being really disingenuous.




You're using Mahomes to justify Jimmy? Mahomes played like complete garbage for 3+ quarters. Bro, Jimmy played like **** in the 4th. I don't know why you're trying to say otherwise.

You're commenting without seeing the plays as I'm sure you didn't go back and look at them(feel free to correct me if i'm wrong)

Jimmy has plenty of plays where he hands in there to deliver a catchable ball when getting hit. But to expect it to happen every time is stupid and irrational.

There are also different levels of getting hit. If your arm gets hit a little or you git hit right after you throw the ball versus getting hit halfway into your delivery.

Your HOF QB isn't exactly an ad lib kind of guy and known for his accuracy. How is that accuracy if he's hit front side as he's trying to follow through the throw?

And my point wasn't to absolve Jimmy of all fault. He needed to play better but the point was to show he wasn't missing wide open guys with a clean pocket the whole time. I'm not going to waste my time in the other threads sh*tting on Jimmy because it's pointless but throwing out his numbers with no context paints one picture.

I'm just trying to talk to my fellow 49er fans in here and show them Jimmy's play in the 4th wasn't as bad as the box score showed. Sometimes defenses have guys who make big plays and Chris Jones did just that.

And me bringing up Mahomes had nothing to do with this game. Has everything to do with Mahomes being the best QB in the game at this point and pointing out that in similar situations he struggles just like every other QB.

They were ahead for 55 min, so that does not compute Dr. Spock?

Today sucks. I’m not even going to touch on the officiating aside from saying it was gross…

Going into this game I had two main concerns:

Jimmy seems scared or confused as to adjusting on the fly. Meaning, he seems like once a play is decided, he feels committed to completing that play and unwilling/able to adjust. Two guys covering your target? Welp that’s what the play called for so I’m gonna throw anyways.

Mahomes is a whirlpool… the biggest component to mahomes success is how he is able to not just avoid getting sacked, it’s that he draws players in deeper and deeper towards him and creates these huge openings for his receivers. I prayed the niners would study the hell out of game tapes but this happened over and over again. I don’t know how to solve the problem but I continued to see the problem throughout the game. Wilson does a similar thing and every time we’ve allowed big plays from him it’s been the exact same thing.

I wish Kittle would’ve seen more action. That really bummed me out tbh

I definitely feel like jimmy is our weakest link and I don’t know what can be taught at this stage of his career. There are a lot of really intelligent guys in here so please tell me if I’m wrong or what you think about my assessment.

I sure haven't rewatched the SB.

I don't expect it to happen every play, but I do expect it to happen as much as is needed in the SB, which is the pinnacle of football, obviously. Not doing so in the SB is stupid and irrational, especially when your team doesn't want you improving.

Obviously

Depends on the part of his motion when he's hit, but he'd stand there and make the throw knowing he'd be hit.

I haven't claimed that he was missing easy throws every time, but he did miss some. I'm not trying to **** on him, but it just seems like you're okay with his performance in the 4th, which is odd.

And sometimes offenses have QBs that are like robots?

Mahomes would improv in that situation.


I'm not trying to be an ass, man.


Exactly. He still cried when they were winning and it only got worse when KC started playing well.