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03-04-2024, 11:38 AM
#601
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Don't you just hate it when people post up ambiguous responses
Who's trying to legalize and/or justify child molestation?
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03-04-2024, 11:53 AM
#602
Originally Posted By freeheeler⏩
Not really. Throwing around baseless accusations is kinda how this place works
Don't you just hate it when people post up ambiguous responses
03-04-2024, 11:55 AM
#603
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Based on what?
Throwing around baseless accusations is kinda how this place works
03-04-2024, 11:58 AM
#604
03-04-2024, 12:15 PM
#605
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Baseless.
This thread
has everything you need
03-04-2024, 12:28 PM
#607
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The diagnosis of gender dysphoria goes back to the 1960s and 1970s. The cost of affirmation was assumed extremely high, and was considered eugenics, so it wasn’t promoted, nor was it allowed to be experimented with. We knew it was evil to do. We also know the results of the care being given was highly successful already (a 90%+ positive outcome), and the likelihood of affirming having better results would be very unlikely. Again, we are dealing with eugenics.
Still no cites?
I dunno if I trust you, bro
I dunno if I trust you, bro
In the US, eugenics popped up a couple times, once in the early 1900s, and again in the 1970s. Both times, the courts ruled in favor of it, only later to have the states pay millions to the victims and their families because of the massive suffering it caused decades later.
So the literature on actual affirmation is little, but the literature on treatment was great. Now we have a bunch of studies being rushed out to support it, in a very short period of time. Hmm, what do we know about short term studies on eugenics? They are always inconclusive. We seem to also be deliberately ignoring history.
EVERY TIME EUGENICS IS USED, IT WAS DEEMED EVIL IN THE LONG TERM.
So you’re playing the game of the non scientific regime. You’re claiming “You don’t know”, without being able to back up your own claims. You don’t know either, but you’re pretending you do. You’re extremely fake.
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03-04-2024, 12:31 PM
#608
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
The diagnosis of gender dysphoria goes back to the 1960s and 1970s. The cost of affirmation was assumed extremely high, and was considered eugenics, so it wasn’t promoted, nor was it allowed to be experimented with. We knew it was evil to do. We also know the results of the care being given was highly successful already (a 90%+ positive outcome), and the likelihood of affirming having better results would be very unlikely. Again, we are dealing with eugenics.
In the US, eugenics popped up a couple times, once in the early 1900s, and again in the 1970s. Both times, the courts ruled in favor of it, only later to have the states pay millions to the victims and their families because of the massive suffering it caused decades later.
So the literature on actual affirmation is little, but the literature on treatment was great. Now we have a bunch of studies being rushed out to support it, in a very short period of time. Hmm, what do we know about short term studies on eugenics? They are always inconclusive. We seem to also be deliberately ignoring history.
EVERY TIME EUGENICS IS USED, IT WAS DEEMED EVIL IN THE LONG TERM.
So you’re playing the game of the non scientific regime. You’re claiming “You don’t know”, without being able to back up your own claims. You don’t know either, but you’re pretending you do. You’re extremely fake.
In the US, eugenics popped up a couple times, once in the early 1900s, and again in the 1970s. Both times, the courts ruled in favor of it, only later to have the states pay millions to the victims and their families because of the massive suffering it caused decades later.
So the literature on actual affirmation is little, but the literature on treatment was great. Now we have a bunch of studies being rushed out to support it, in a very short period of time. Hmm, what do we know about short term studies on eugenics? They are always inconclusive. We seem to also be deliberately ignoring history.
EVERY TIME EUGENICS IS USED, IT WAS DEEMED EVIL IN THE LONG TERM.
So you’re playing the game of the non scientific regime. You’re claiming “You don’t know”, without being able to back up your own claims. You don’t know either, but you’re pretending you do. You’re extremely fake.
You mention literature, can you share it?
You said there's discrepancy between the literature and practice standards. Can you share the literature and practice standards to which you're referring?
Just wondering if this is a fabrication masked as a poor appeal to authority (which is a type of logical fallacy,)
03-04-2024, 12:34 PM
#609
Comical that people keep responding to a BOT lmao.
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03-04-2024, 12:36 PM
#610
Originally Posted By 6gorillion⏩
Agreed. Don’t respond to him or quote him people
Comical that people keep responding to a BOT lmao.
03-04-2024, 12:40 PM
#611
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Just wondering if this is a fabrication masked as a poor appeal to authority (which is a type of logical fallacy,)
Ditto
Just wondering if this is a fabrication masked as a poor appeal to authority (which is a type of logical fallacy,)
how long have surgeries been performed on children with gender dysphoria?
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03-04-2024, 12:49 PM
#612
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
You're making the claims:
Ditto
how long have surgeries been performed on children with gender dysphoria?
how long have surgeries been performed on children with gender dysphoria?
- That it's known that mother's cause gender dysphoria
- That gender dysphoria and homosexuality are caused by events in adolescence
- That gender dysphoria and homosexuality are diagnosed in adolescence
- That the literature proves the above and practice standards are discrepant with the literature.
I asked for some of the literature you're referencing, so I may review it myself.
03-04-2024, 12:57 PM
#613
https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p382
Cliffs; They aren’t using evidence based treatments. These are “recommendations” without any systematic evidence based reasoning. In other words, these are illegal experiments on children!! They are not being told that they are being used as guinea pigs, and must be 18 years old or older to consent.
There is a lot to this article, but Dr Helmand lays it all out. Follow the link to read the entire thing. He rips in to the subterfuge of these Doctors, pretending to already know what’s best.
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Cliffs; They aren’t using evidence based treatments. These are “recommendations” without any systematic evidence based reasoning. In other words, these are illegal experiments on children!! They are not being told that they are being used as guinea pigs, and must be 18 years old or older to consent.
There is a lot to this article, but Dr Helmand lays it all out. Follow the link to read the entire thing. He rips in to the subterfuge of these Doctors, pretending to already know what’s best.
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Don’t call them evidence based”
Mark Helfand, professor of medical informatics and clinical epidemiology at Oregon Health and Science University, says, “An evidence based recommendation requires two steps.” First, “an unbiased, thorough, critical systematic review of all the relevant evidence.” Second, “some commitment to link the strength of the recommendations to the quality of the evidence.”…
The Endocrine Society commissioned two systematic reviews for its clinical practice guideline, Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: one on the effects of sex steroids on lipids and cardiovascular outcomes, the other on their effects on bone health.3233 To indicate the quality of evidence underpinning its various guidelines, the Endocrine Society employed the GRADE system (grading of recommendations assessment, development, and evaluation) and judged the quality of evidence for all recommendations on adolescents as “low” or “very low.”
Guyatt, who co-developed GRADE, found “serious problems” with the Endocrine Society guidelines, noting that the systematic reviews didn’t look at the effect of the interventions on gender dysphoria itself, arguably “the most important outcome.” He also noted that the Endocrine Society had at times paired strong recommendations—phrased as “we recommend”—with weak evidence. In the adolescent section, the weaker phrasing “we suggest” is used for pubertal hormone suppression when children “first exhibit physical changes of puberty”; however, the stronger phrasing is used to “recommend” GnRHa treatment.
GRADE discourages strong recommendations with low or very low quality evidence except under very specific circumstances,” Guyatt told The BMJ. Those exceptions are “very few and far between,” and when used in guidance, their rationale should be made explicit, Guyatt said. In an emailed response, the Endocrine Society referenced the GRADE system’s five exceptions, but did not specify which it was applying.
Helfand examined the recently updated WPATH Standards of Care and noted that it “incorporated elements of an evidence based guideline.” For one, WPATH commissioned a team at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland to conduct systematic reviews.3435 However, WPATH’s recommendations lack a grading system to indicate the quality of the evidence—one of several deficiencies. Both Guyatt and Helfand noted that a trustworthy guideline would be transparent about all commissioned systematic reviews: how many were done and what the results were. But Helfand remarked that neither was made clear in the WPATH guidelines and also noted several instances in which the strength of evidence presented to justify a recommendation was “at odds with what their own systematic reviewers found.”
For example, one of the commissioned systematic reviews found that the strength of evidence for the conclusions that hormonal treatment “may improve” quality of life, depression, and anxiety among transgender people was “low,” and it emphasised the need for more research, “especially among adolescents.”35 The reviewers also concluded that “it was impossible to draw conclusions about the effects of hormone therapy” on death by suicide.
Mark Helfand, professor of medical informatics and clinical epidemiology at Oregon Health and Science University, says, “An evidence based recommendation requires two steps.” First, “an unbiased, thorough, critical systematic review of all the relevant evidence.” Second, “some commitment to link the strength of the recommendations to the quality of the evidence.”…
The Endocrine Society commissioned two systematic reviews for its clinical practice guideline, Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: one on the effects of sex steroids on lipids and cardiovascular outcomes, the other on their effects on bone health.3233 To indicate the quality of evidence underpinning its various guidelines, the Endocrine Society employed the GRADE system (grading of recommendations assessment, development, and evaluation) and judged the quality of evidence for all recommendations on adolescents as “low” or “very low.”
Guyatt, who co-developed GRADE, found “serious problems” with the Endocrine Society guidelines, noting that the systematic reviews didn’t look at the effect of the interventions on gender dysphoria itself, arguably “the most important outcome.” He also noted that the Endocrine Society had at times paired strong recommendations—phrased as “we recommend”—with weak evidence. In the adolescent section, the weaker phrasing “we suggest” is used for pubertal hormone suppression when children “first exhibit physical changes of puberty”; however, the stronger phrasing is used to “recommend” GnRHa treatment.
GRADE discourages strong recommendations with low or very low quality evidence except under very specific circumstances,” Guyatt told The BMJ. Those exceptions are “very few and far between,” and when used in guidance, their rationale should be made explicit, Guyatt said. In an emailed response, the Endocrine Society referenced the GRADE system’s five exceptions, but did not specify which it was applying.
Helfand examined the recently updated WPATH Standards of Care and noted that it “incorporated elements of an evidence based guideline.” For one, WPATH commissioned a team at Johns Hopkins University in Maryland to conduct systematic reviews.3435 However, WPATH’s recommendations lack a grading system to indicate the quality of the evidence—one of several deficiencies. Both Guyatt and Helfand noted that a trustworthy guideline would be transparent about all commissioned systematic reviews: how many were done and what the results were. But Helfand remarked that neither was made clear in the WPATH guidelines and also noted several instances in which the strength of evidence presented to justify a recommendation was “at odds with what their own systematic reviewers found.”
For example, one of the commissioned systematic reviews found that the strength of evidence for the conclusions that hormonal treatment “may improve” quality of life, depression, and anxiety among transgender people was “low,” and it emphasised the need for more research, “especially among adolescents.”35 The reviewers also concluded that “it was impossible to draw conclusions about the effects of hormone therapy” on death by suicide.
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03-04-2024, 01:13 PM
#614
JLC just earned negs for life and ignore list.
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03-04-2024, 01:19 PM
#615
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Yeah. When you can't support your claims, censorship is an option.
JLC just earned negs for life and ignore list.
03-04-2024, 01:26 PM
#616
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Welcome to the world of trying to have a meaningful conversation with someone who has no desire to do anything other than troll incessantly with all the tried and true tactics. Like you said, it’s best to just neg him and move on. And as an added bonus, that approach irritates him more than just about anything. That leads me to believe a big reason for his trolling is lack of attention in real life, but that’s just a theory at this point. Whatever the reason, he is willing to dedicate insane amounts of time to it.
JLC just earned negs for life and ignore list.
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03-04-2024, 01:28 PM
#617
The article is an editorial.
Absolutely nothing at all to do with mothers or events causing gender dysphoria or homosexuality or either being "diagnosed" in adolescence.
But, I suppose it's in good faith and honest to take that approach. Just like how equating gender dysphoria and homosexuality with p3dophilia is somehow honest and in good faith.
Just lol
Absolutely nothing at all to do with mothers or events causing gender dysphoria or homosexuality or either being "diagnosed" in adolescence.
But, I suppose it's in good faith and honest to take that approach. Just like how equating gender dysphoria and homosexuality with p3dophilia is somehow honest and in good faith.
Just lol
03-04-2024, 01:34 PM
#618
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
A big indicator to me is that he doesn’t allow anyone to make any small mistakes. He straw mans the chit out of spelling errors, wrong link etc (all logical fallacies). I spent a long time trying to dig through Google propaganda to find a good assessment of what’s happening in psychology, and I had forgotten I had copied a link from a previous search. Then he uses that against me, like it negates EVERYTHING I just posted. The straw man is a tactic used in order to avoid any thinking or honest debate.
Welcome to the world of trying to have a meaningful conversation with someone who has no desire to do anything other than troll incessantly with all the tried and true tactics. Like you said, it’s best to just neg him and move on. And as an added bonus, that approach irritates him more than just about anything. That leads me to believe a big reason for his trolling is lack of attention in real life, but that’s just a theory at this point. Whatever the reason, he is willing to dedicate insane amounts of time to it.
It’s the sign of someone who lacks any integrity, intellect, and it fits with the fact that he’s an extremist. No logic, critical thinking, anything.
Essentially, it’s a few of these entities that are trying to force the entire practice in to one direction without any regard to criticism by some pretty important psychologists and scientists.
Yeah, I’m done with him. It’s convinced me to just go ahead and add anyone else who does the same. “You cannot reason with the unreasonable”. Thomas Sowell
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03-04-2024, 01:35 PM
#619
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Here's a question, why would someone who took the Hippocratic Oath, perform unnecessary surgery on teenagers, and put them on puberty blockers?
Crazy.
Come to Canada! It sounds like physicians have more autonomy here.
Come to Canada! It sounds like physicians have more autonomy here.
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03-04-2024, 01:37 PM
#620
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Hes lying again. Psychologists in Canada were the first of the western countries to be targeted. He’s either trolling, or he literally has no idea what he’s talking about.
Here's a question, why would someone who took the Hippocratic Oath, perform unnecessary surgery on teenagers, and put them on puberty blockers?
You will not learn anything from J.L.C. He will make you more stupid, in fact.
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03-04-2024, 01:41 PM
#621
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
The reason for that is studies are starting to show that when a student in school starts to transition it tends to start a chain reaction leading to more transitions.
Gender dysphoria develops during puberty. This is what left wing extremists are exploiting.
So you're saying that transgenderism and being gay can be diagnosed in the womb? Wow. That's pretty cutting edge. I wonder why that's not all over the news.
So you're saying that transgenderism and being gay can be diagnosed in the womb? Wow. That's pretty cutting edge. I wonder why that's not all over the news.
The sheer rate this is occurring at nation wide is not natural/organic.
03-04-2024, 01:44 PM
#622
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Him/IT and Z4 use the same exact tactics too.
Welcome to the world of trying to have a meaningful conversation with someone who has no desire to do anything other than troll incessantly with all the tried and true tactics. Like you said, it’s best to just neg him and move on. And as an added bonus, that approach irritates him more than just about anything. That leads me to believe a big reason for his trolling is lack of attention in real life, but that’s just a theory at this point. Whatever the reason, he is willing to dedicate insane amounts of time to it.
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03-04-2024, 01:59 PM
#623
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
I don't think anyone would. What you deem unnecessary may be deemed necessary, or life-saving, by professionals.
Here's a question, why would someone who took the Hippocratic Oath, perform unnecessary surgery on teenagers, and put them on puberty blockers?
03-04-2024, 02:00 PM
#624
Originally Posted By Kraken⏩
Psychologists in Canada cannot prescribe medication nor perform surgery.
Hes lying again. Psychologists in Canada were the first of the western countries to be targeted. He’s either trolling, or he literally has no idea what he’s talking about.
You will not learn anything from J.L.C. He will make you more stupid, in fact.
You will not learn anything from J.L.C. He will make you more stupid, in fact.
03-04-2024, 02:01 PM
#625
Originally Posted By RIKTER⏩
That would certainly support the "social contagion" theory. Can you share those studies?
The reason for that is studies are starting to show that when a student in school starts to transition it tends to start a chain reaction leading to more transitions.
The sheer rate this is occurring at nation wide is not natural/organic.
The sheer rate this is occurring at nation wide is not natural/organic.
03-04-2024, 02:06 PM
#626
21 pages? Cliffs?
Nah bro I’m sweet.
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03-04-2024, 02:16 PM
#627
Originally Posted By GnomeSaiyanBruh⏩
Angry fellas making stuff up
21 pages? Cliffs?
03-04-2024, 02:17 PM
#628
Originally Posted By GnomeSaiyanBruh⏩
Liberals support ped0 files and have no issues with them being around children of any age, especially OP
21 pages? Cliffs?
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03-04-2024, 02:20 PM
#629
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
They'll somehow die without the surgery or puberty blockers???
I don't think anyone would. What you deem unnecessary may be deemed necessary, or life-saving, by professionals.
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03-04-2024, 02:20 PM
#630
Originally Posted By GnomeSaiyanBruh⏩
The person who made this thread sucks tranny cock…
21 pages? Cliffs?
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