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02-04-2020, 03:48 PM
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49ers free agents:

Emmanuel Sanders, WR, $11 million
Jimmie Ward, S, $4.5 million
Jason Verrett, CB, $3.6 million
Garrett Celek, TE, $2.55 million - Note: Player is contemplating retirement, per reports
Arik Armstead, DE $2.46 million
Shon Coleman, T, $819,704
Ben Garland, C, $805,000
Levine Toilolo, TE, $805,000
Damontre Moore, DE, $805,000
Jordan Matthews, WR, $805,000
Dontae Johnson, CB, $805,000
Sheldon Day, DT, $737,103
Anthony Zettel, DE, $720,000
Ronald Blair, DE, $652,601

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Armstead

Offer a fair deal but dont overpay
Ward - played good but isnt a game changer
Sanders - played well. They are invested in him after giving up high draft pick
Blair - Great rotational guy and can start. If we lose Armstead we need to sign Blair for sure as i think he can start
Moore - Lets see what he can do as a rotational guy
Coleman - good OL depth

Let the rest walk. Extend Kittle and Buckner

Trade out of #31 and acquire an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder since we dont have any.

Address OT, CB, speed WR, rotational DL, Safety

I do wonder what Sherman could do as a free safety. Only concern is his speed/range but he's smart and likes to look at the QB.
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02-04-2020, 05:26 PM
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Definitely would like to see Sherm give Safety a try. His knowledge and anticipation is huge for the D, but his athleticism kills them.
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02-04-2020, 06:16 PM
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Too early to move Sherman to safety. People overreacting to him getting beat a couple of times. He was an all pro this year. Stephon Gilmore was DPOY and got beat bad end of the year by less talented WRs than Davante Adams, Hill and Watkins.

We do need some youth at the position though. Moseley looks like a find but Spoon is still a question mark. I still think he can play and needs to find his groove again but some speed at the position would be good. Then again speed doesn’t always guarantee great play.
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02-04-2020, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted By pondus_levo
LOL bro. Kyle didn't let Jimmy throw a pass for 90 minutes and as soon as he did, he threw for a 20+ yard first down to Kittle, just to show everyone they still could go with the pass game if they wanted.
Damn bro.. Kyle let Jimmy loose in 4th quarter. Didn't turn out well. Sad!
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02-04-2020, 06:32 PM
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No go on showing that 1st down % huh?

Clutchappolo will be fine
haha.. Casulas like this got excited about those regular season garbage time stats..
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02-04-2020, 06:46 PM
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Oh ****.. add 2 more INTs to the tally.
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02-04-2020, 07:00 PM
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Too early to move Sherman to safety. People overreacting to him getting beat a couple of times. He was an all pro this year. Stephon Gilmore was DPOY and got beat bad end of the year by less talented WRs than Davante Adams, Hill and Watkins.

We do need some youth at the position though. Moseley looks like a find but Spoon is still a question mark. I still think he can play and needs to find his groove again but some speed at the position would be good. Then again speed doesn’t always guarantee great play.
Who was beating Gilmore "bad" end of year?
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02-04-2020, 07:28 PM
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Who was beating Gilmore "bad" end of year?
John Brown got him vs Buffalo. Don’t recall Dolphins WR who got him but I believe it was Parker.
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02-04-2020, 07:30 PM
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haha.. Casulas like this got excited about those regular season garbage time stats..
Lol at casuals, I probably watched almost as many Chicago games this year as you did

Yeah he definitely blew it in the 4th, it was a total team meltodwn
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02-04-2020, 07:31 PM
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John Brown got him vs Buffalo. Don’t recall Dolphins WR who got him but I believe it was Parker.
I forgot about Parker, who did have his way with Gilmore, but the long Brown TD was McCourty's fault, not Gilmore's.
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02-04-2020, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01
Lol at casuals, I probably watched almost as many Chicago games this year as you did

Yeah he definitely blew it in the 4th, it was a total team meltodwn
It's too bad you didn't watch as many 49ers games as bears games.. otherwise you wouldn't be pumping up those Clutchapollo stats.
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02-04-2020, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted By bpatel82
It's too bad you didn't watch as many 49ers games as bears games.. otherwise you wouldn't be pumping up those Clutchapollo stats.
That was Jimmy's worst performance in a quarter all year. He's come up big in games before. He came up short in the 4th of the one that mattered, which obviously sucks, but I think he learns from it.

But Jimmy didn't let the Chiefs score 21 points in the 4th quarter either. Jimmy also didn't decide to abandon the run which was working for them

The team collectively ****ed that one up
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02-04-2020, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01
That was Jimmy's worst performance in a quarter all year. He's come up big in games before. He came up short in the 4th of the one that mattered, which obviously sucks, but I think he learns from it.

But Jimmy didn't let the Chiefs score 21 points in the 4th quarter either. Jimmy also didn't decide to abandon the run which was working for them

The team collectively ****ed that one up
yah sure.. let's blame defense for not being able to protect 10 point lead against one of the best offense in the league in 4th quarter.. in which Clutchapollo went 0-3 on 3rd downs and a whopping 36 yards.
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02-04-2020, 09:43 PM
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yah sure.. let's blame defense for not being able to protect 10 point lead against one of the best offense in the league in 4th quarter.. in which Clutchapollo went 0-3 on 3rd downs and a whopping 36 yards.
Right!? How can you blame Jimmy G for the other team scoring 21 points?
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02-04-2020, 09:50 PM
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Right!? How can you blame Jimmy G for the other team scoring 21 points?
You missed the part where Bustapollo lead offense scored 3 points in 4th quarter.. went 0-3 on 3rd downs.. threw for 36 yards and 1 interception.. nice recipe for the win.
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02-04-2020, 10:27 PM
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You missed the part where Bustapollo lead offense scored 3 points in 4th quarter.. went 0-3 on 3rd downs.. threw for 36 yards and 1 interception.. nice recipe for the win.
You're not getting anywhere on this one. I'd go back to the Bears thread
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02-04-2020, 11:02 PM
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Right!? How can you blame Jimmy G for the other team scoring 21 points?
He's obviously not at fault for the defense giving up 21, but he has some blame for not putting up points in the 4th.
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02-04-2020, 11:21 PM
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Serious question: What team is keeping the 49ers out of the Super Bowl next season?

I just don't see any other team keeping them from it.
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02-04-2020, 11:38 PM
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Serious question: What team is keeping the 49ers out of the Super Bowl next season?

I just don't see any other team keeping them from it.
Kyle Shanahan will probably be a huge reason if they don't make it.
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02-04-2020, 11:48 PM
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Kyle Shanahan will probably be a huge reason if they don't make it.
I knew there was going to be a response like this, but that's why I put "team" on my question. Shanahan was part of the reason we got there in the first place.

So again, what team can stop the 49ers from getting there? Because I don't see anything significant.
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02-04-2020, 11:55 PM
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Really like Jimmy, but he missed a ton of easy reads in the fourth quarter. KC was anticipating run and we had some chances at big plays to Kittle (the film is out there if you want to find it).

I'm having a really freakin hard time digesting this loss. Listening to Staley postgame and seeing Bosa emotional was really tough to watch. Just a totally brutal loss that came out of nowhere with 7 minutes left, still hurts my stomach, ugh. Anyone else getting the feels too? Ugh, they say it's just a game.
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02-05-2020, 07:00 AM
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Kyle Shanahan will probably be a huge reason if they don't make it.

Dude…don't be ridiculous.

They've played their ass off for Kyle since he's been the HC regardless of the talent they had on the field. This team never looked like they didn't care.

You never know what happens after losing the SB and certainly the lack of aggression to end the first half could rub the guys the wrong way but Kyle is not the issue. He will need to self scout to figure out why the heck we went away from what was working in that game.

And honestly I would be a hypocrite for saying we should just run no matter what because I was furious at Mooch doing it when he was coaching when we lost a brutal game to Chicago. We were up late in that game and kept running into stacked boxes and just gave the ball back to Chicago and they ended up coming back to tie it and then won in OT.

I don't mind if a coach is aggressive and when the other team stacks the box and gives you a favorable pass look I get that you want to take advantage and take the game but considering we ran non stop vs Vikings/Packers maybe in this scenario we should've just tried to keep running and hope our guys broke through for the first down and kept the clock moving.
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02-05-2020, 07:04 AM
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I knew there was going to be a response like this, but that's why I put "team" on my question. Shanahan was part of the reason we got there in the first place.

So again, what team can stop the 49ers from getting there? Because I don't see anything significant.
Impossible to tell at this point IMO.

We have to see what the roster looks like next season and what other teams we're going to play look like.

NFC has some talented teams in it and we're probably in the best division in the NFL so getting the #1 seed again will be tough. We've seen how hard it is to get to the SB without a bye week.

Hopefully when the schedule comes it's a favorable one and we don't have a crazy early bye week again.
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02-05-2020, 08:37 AM
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I'll be interested to see how Jimmy G responds to this loss and poor performance next season. I feel like the 49ers run this season was somewhat of a Cinderella type season. Go 4-12 in 2018 and then in the Super Bowl in 2019. You have a lot of good pieces in place and should be contenders next season.

Entering this season expectations weren't high at all for the 49ers, but now they are and now Jimmy will have more pressure on him to perform at an elite level all season. He's still young and very raw as a QB IMO. If he can get better, the 49ers will do well again, but if he can't I think it'll be an earlier playoff exit.
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02-05-2020, 08:42 AM
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So genus who are you liking in the draft? I keep seeing people say it's a deep WR class
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02-05-2020, 09:16 AM
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I'll be interested to see how Jimmy G responds to this loss and poor performance next season. I feel like the 49ers run this season was somewhat of a Cinderella type season. Go 4-12 in 2018 and then in the Super Bowl in 2019. You have a lot of good pieces in place and should be contenders next season.

Entering this season expectations weren't high at all for the 49ers, but now they are and now Jimmy will have more pressure on him to perform at an elite level all season. He's still young and very raw as a QB IMO. If he can get better, the 49ers will do well again, but if he can't I think it'll be an earlier playoff exit.
Agreed. Jimmy has a lot to prove next year and if he can play at a top 10 level, which he did for a lot of 2019, then I don't see why the 49ers wouldn't be contenders.

I LOL at people thinking Kyle isn't the answer at coach. It literally took Any Reid 21 seasons to win the super bowl. 13 times he was knocked out of the playoffs and 1 Super Bow loss. I think he will be ok,
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02-05-2020, 10:02 AM
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I'll be interested to see how Jimmy G responds to this loss and poor performance next season. I feel like the 49ers run this season was somewhat of a Cinderella type season. Go 4-12 in 2018 and then in the Super Bowl in 2019. You have a lot of good pieces in place and should be contenders next season.

Entering this season expectations weren't high at all for the 49ers, but now they are and now Jimmy will have more pressure on him to perform at an elite level all season. He's still young and very raw as a QB IMO. If he can get better, the 49ers will do well again, but if he can't I think it'll be an earlier playoff exit.
Hard to say right now. He didn't play well but some people are pointing out to the hit he took to the head throwing him off. I'm not sure that was the issue but it's possible. After that hit he was definitely not on but it's not easy to be on when Chris Jones is batting down passes, you're getting hit mid throw on others. What we do know is the one pass he had time to throw he had Sanders deep and missed him. That's something Jimmy is gonna have to live with.

I do think Jimmy should improve but I also felt the same would happen with Kaepernick and we know how that turned out.

The reason for optimism with Jimmy:

By all accounts most guys take about 2 years to recover from ACL injury. Jimmy definitely didn't have the same zip on his throw and wasn't as mobile as he was prior to the injury.
Last year during the offseason Jimmy was more about getting healthy/rehabbing which left less time to develop his game as a QB
Less time to also work on chemistry with your WRs and the way the 49ers season went end of the year having more time with Sanders on timing could've helped on that misfire
Second full season of starting in Kyle's system. Matt Ryan took a huge step forward. Jimmy may not be MVP of the league next year but the experience starting in the system will definitely help
Despite what happened in the 4th qtr of the SB he's shown the ability to shake things off and come up big late in games more often than not

Reason for pessimism with Jimmy:

He's heading into his 7th season…has he hit his ceiling?
Can he learn to do better post snap reads?
Can he learn to look defenders off better?
Is he smart enough to get Kyle's offense to make that 2nd full season jump?
Will having the collapse at the end of the SB be something he can shake off?


The key to the 49ers success next year will once again be health. They actually had some key injuries this year but their depth kept them going. As you mention they now have a target on their back so everyone will not be overlooking them. The NFC West is tough and Arizona is on the rise. Their schedule next year doesn't look super hard but there are many teams on their schedule who can very quickly go from bottom of the barrel to serious contenders with a great offseason.

I personally think Jimmy and Kyle have a sit down this offseason similar to what he did with Matt Ryan and they get on the same page and move forward from this and the offense improves. The defense will need some additions if they cannot retain Armstead or Ward but I know guys like Bosa will fight their ass off to get us back to the SB as long as they're healthy.
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So genus who are you liking in the draft? I keep seeing people say it's a deep WR class
Honestly since we've been winning I haven't jumped into the draft the way I usually do at this time so I've only done preliminary looks at players.

The WR class is definitely stacked. Could rival the 2014 WR class in how many guys go in the first round.

Jeudy
Lamb
Ruggs
Higgins
Reagor
Shenault

Could all go in the first round though combine tends to adjust the rankings a bit.

If we can't trade out of #31 we may have an interesting decision to make on who to take there.

Obviously best thing for us is to try to move back and pick up a 2nd and 3rd rounder but it doesn't always work like that.

If we can swing that I'd like to see us address DB whether it's at safety or corner and IOL then use a later pick on a WR with speed to groom. I like KJ Hamler a lot but don't see us being in position to take him with our 2nd-4th rounders gone.

I like Tyler Johnson out of Minnesota and even though he's ranked as a day 3 guy I think he'll rise up boards soon.
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Right!? How can you blame Jimmy G for the other team scoring 21 points?
How many points did Jimmy score in that quarter? Had to have been greater than 0 right? Or is that not his fault either?
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I knew there was going to be a response like this, but that's why I put "team" on my question. Shanahan was part of the reason we got there in the first place.

So again, what team can stop the 49ers from getting there? Because I don't see anything significant.
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