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02-11-2020, 10:44 PM
#6391
Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
A lot of money to be made from betting against this guy in 2020.
If I had to predict our schedule just based off what we see now I think we'd go 12-4, MAYBE 13-3 again.
But who knows what's going to happen this off season and who we can keep and like genus said how healthy we are.
Seattle I think we split games with again. Cardinals may be a split too. Saints could be a loss, Pats could be a loss.
We'll be the NFC team that everyone has their eyes on next year, which will be a big change from this year (At least at the start of the season)
Seattle I think we split games with again. Cardinals may be a split too. Saints could be a loss, Pats could be a loss.
We'll be the NFC team that everyone has their eyes on next year, which will be a big change from this year (At least at the start of the season)
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02-12-2020, 06:29 AM
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Sounds like Trent Taylor had yet another setback? Will he even be on the team next year?
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02-12-2020, 06:46 AM
#6393
Originally Posted By blinkers88⏩
Where did you hear that?
Sounds like Trent Taylor had yet another setback? Will he even be on the team next year?
He had all sorts of issues related to the foot injury from camp but last I heard he should be good for training camp(question of course is what that means after such a long rehab)
02-12-2020, 07:56 AM
#6394
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49...foot-surgeries
Where did you hear that?
He had all sorts of issues related to the foot injury from camp but last I heard he should be good for training camp(question of course is what that means after such a long rehab)
He had all sorts of issues related to the foot injury from camp but last I heard he should be good for training camp(question of course is what that means after such a long rehab)
"Five foot surgeries later, Taylor doesn’t have a timeframe for when he will be on the field again but his hope is to be ready for training camp."
doesn't sound encouraging
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02-12-2020, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted By blinkers88⏩
I literally just saw a tweet with him hanging in Mexico with Kittle and a few other players jumping off a boat into the water.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49...foot-surgeries
"Five foot surgeries later, Taylor doesn’t have a timeframe for when he will be on the field again but his hope is to be ready for training camp."
doesn't sound encouraging
"Five foot surgeries later, Taylor doesn’t have a timeframe for when he will be on the field again but his hope is to be ready for training camp."
doesn't sound encouraging
Definitely can't assume he's going to be back to 100% but it's nothing new in regards to his injury at least. Just an update on a guy who has been out all year.
02-12-2020, 09:20 AM
#6396
Saw a mock draft the other day and had us taking Xavier McKinney. He's projected to go mid first so not sure if he will be there at 31 but I decided to look him up and saw that he's compared to Jimmie Ward.
Scouting Report:
Coverage Spacing - He doesn't have elite single high FS range to roam the back end but his football intelligence is top shelf and allows him to shade and attack — he'll often crash the party at the catch point and disrupt targets. Playing him in deep half or as a rat in intermediates will yield plenty of pass disruptions in zone.
Acceleration - He's got pretty fluid click and close, able to really explode on routes breaking off in front of his face. He's fearless stepping down into the alley too. Shows effective closing burst from the nickel to duck into gaps and attack the QB. Simply doesn't have the long speed to play sideline to sideline in single high.
Tackling - Plays with an attitude. More consistent here in 2019 and smacked guys in the mouth all season long. He'll attack the football as opportunities arise but his contact balance and confidence to run the feet and deliver jarring hits has produced effective kill shots on bigger ball carriers. Impressive space tackler.
Zone Coverage Skills - Instinctive. He flows to mirror the eyes of QBs and will excel if he's given free assignments to sucker quarterbacks and bait throws over the middle of the field. He takes good angles and times his arrival and contests at the catch point from overhead leverage with consistency to not draw penalties.
Ball Skills - His hands are feisty at the catch point and he does a good job of raking at the ball when he's a tick late the throw. Hands are soft on tipped balls and throws he's able to undercut in man coverage. Appreciate his nose for the football in all senses, too — he's ripping out the ball on tackles and at the catch point routinely.
Competitive Toughness - Not afraid of contact and love his stickiness as he's carrying routes down the field. His persistence extends to catch point reps, as a tackler and when stacking up blockers in the secondary. Has had success roaming as a sub-package LB as well to step into the second level and fill the run.
Flexibility - Clean mobility throughout his frame. He does well to hinge and open himself into throws and provides good extension skills to combat the ball. His base is dynamic and doesn't show a lot of wasted movement. Reach to spring and explode laterally from flat footed stance is notable as well.
Feet/COD - Appreciate how well he stays balanced. He's not one to hop out of stance prematurely or provided a swinging gate when he's leveraged over the top of routes in coverage. His movement economy is aided by lower body mobility and protects him from drifting at the top of route breaks or taking sloppy transitions.
Man Coverage Skills - Lock down? No, not necessarily. But he's a pest from the trail position and tackled assignments against tight ends down the field. He's got good length to press or disrupt inside the contact window as well before flipping his hips with clean transitions to work into the trail position. Match-up weapon in the MOF.
Versatility - Ask him to do anything. Go ahead. He's a one size fits all defender for some kind of primary role but his football IQ and athletic ability and tackling skills will bring him high reps and snap counts regardless of the sub-package in the NFL. Creative coordinators will get the most out of him by using him with flexibility.
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Best Trait - Versatility
Worst Trait - Deep Range
Best Film - LSU (2019)
Worst Film - Clemson (2018)
Red Flags - None
Player Summary - Xavier McKinney can be a game changing defender for an NFL defense. With plus tackling skills in space, strong football IQ and a knack for hunting the football in all phases, McKinney projects as a difference maker and explosive play creator. McKinney's versatility should keep him on the field at all times and he's shown ability to thrive as a deep third or half safety, in the nickel, blitzing as a pressure player, keying the run and more. Do it all defender and plug/play starter.
Scouting Report:
Coverage Spacing - He doesn't have elite single high FS range to roam the back end but his football intelligence is top shelf and allows him to shade and attack — he'll often crash the party at the catch point and disrupt targets. Playing him in deep half or as a rat in intermediates will yield plenty of pass disruptions in zone.
Acceleration - He's got pretty fluid click and close, able to really explode on routes breaking off in front of his face. He's fearless stepping down into the alley too. Shows effective closing burst from the nickel to duck into gaps and attack the QB. Simply doesn't have the long speed to play sideline to sideline in single high.
Tackling - Plays with an attitude. More consistent here in 2019 and smacked guys in the mouth all season long. He'll attack the football as opportunities arise but his contact balance and confidence to run the feet and deliver jarring hits has produced effective kill shots on bigger ball carriers. Impressive space tackler.
Zone Coverage Skills - Instinctive. He flows to mirror the eyes of QBs and will excel if he's given free assignments to sucker quarterbacks and bait throws over the middle of the field. He takes good angles and times his arrival and contests at the catch point from overhead leverage with consistency to not draw penalties.
Ball Skills - His hands are feisty at the catch point and he does a good job of raking at the ball when he's a tick late the throw. Hands are soft on tipped balls and throws he's able to undercut in man coverage. Appreciate his nose for the football in all senses, too — he's ripping out the ball on tackles and at the catch point routinely.
Competitive Toughness - Not afraid of contact and love his stickiness as he's carrying routes down the field. His persistence extends to catch point reps, as a tackler and when stacking up blockers in the secondary. Has had success roaming as a sub-package LB as well to step into the second level and fill the run.
Flexibility - Clean mobility throughout his frame. He does well to hinge and open himself into throws and provides good extension skills to combat the ball. His base is dynamic and doesn't show a lot of wasted movement. Reach to spring and explode laterally from flat footed stance is notable as well.
Feet/COD - Appreciate how well he stays balanced. He's not one to hop out of stance prematurely or provided a swinging gate when he's leveraged over the top of routes in coverage. His movement economy is aided by lower body mobility and protects him from drifting at the top of route breaks or taking sloppy transitions.
Man Coverage Skills - Lock down? No, not necessarily. But he's a pest from the trail position and tackled assignments against tight ends down the field. He's got good length to press or disrupt inside the contact window as well before flipping his hips with clean transitions to work into the trail position. Match-up weapon in the MOF.
Versatility - Ask him to do anything. Go ahead. He's a one size fits all defender for some kind of primary role but his football IQ and athletic ability and tackling skills will bring him high reps and snap counts regardless of the sub-package in the NFL. Creative coordinators will get the most out of him by using him with flexibility.
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Best Trait - Versatility
Worst Trait - Deep Range
Best Film - LSU (2019)
Worst Film - Clemson (2018)
Red Flags - None
Player Summary - Xavier McKinney can be a game changing defender for an NFL defense. With plus tackling skills in space, strong football IQ and a knack for hunting the football in all phases, McKinney projects as a difference maker and explosive play creator. McKinney's versatility should keep him on the field at all times and he's shown ability to thrive as a deep third or half safety, in the nickel, blitzing as a pressure player, keying the run and more. Do it all defender and plug/play starter.
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02-12-2020, 09:40 AM
#6397
McKinney, Grant Delpit, Ashtyn Davis, Antoine Winfield Jr and Kyle Dugger are definitely safeties in play if we were to use our first pick(whether at 31 or trade back) I wouldn't mind seeing.
It would definitely be nice to have a ball hawk safety back there but if we bring back Ward it may have to be a BPA situation for us to take safety with our top pick.
McKinney and Delpit would be that.
If we trade back into the 2nd I'd be good with Davis or Winfield Jr.
It would definitely be nice to have a ball hawk safety back there but if we bring back Ward it may have to be a BPA situation for us to take safety with our top pick.
McKinney and Delpit would be that.
If we trade back into the 2nd I'd be good with Davis or Winfield Jr.
02-12-2020, 01:57 PM
#6398
I don't know **** about many college guys coming up so I just hope we find some sick players to draft.
I think WR is a huge question mark for us and position of need. If Hurd plays like he did in preseason and stays healthy he's a legit starter, if Taylor is healthy and back he's a legit starter. Do we keep Sanders, what about Pettis? Bourne and James are equal question marks to those prior two in terms of do we keep them? We straight up didn't have enough WR production or threat all year and our best was a rookie. Sanders for a whole year would be nice but he's not a 1 WR, if we can keep him and have some other sick WRs around then that's great but we basically had 3 WRs all year and Bourne was good, but way too inconsistent and caused plenty of frustrating moments for as many great TD and first down catches he had.
I'd love Pettis to pan out but I really don't see it unless he was truly injured all year. He just seems too soft and timid. James is solid but way undersized and not physical. Bourne inconsistent. Lots to figure out at WR…
I think WR is a huge question mark for us and position of need. If Hurd plays like he did in preseason and stays healthy he's a legit starter, if Taylor is healthy and back he's a legit starter. Do we keep Sanders, what about Pettis? Bourne and James are equal question marks to those prior two in terms of do we keep them? We straight up didn't have enough WR production or threat all year and our best was a rookie. Sanders for a whole year would be nice but he's not a 1 WR, if we can keep him and have some other sick WRs around then that's great but we basically had 3 WRs all year and Bourne was good, but way too inconsistent and caused plenty of frustrating moments for as many great TD and first down catches he had.
I'd love Pettis to pan out but I really don't see it unless he was truly injured all year. He just seems too soft and timid. James is solid but way undersized and not physical. Bourne inconsistent. Lots to figure out at WR…
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02-13-2020, 01:53 PM
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https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article...t-15053799.php
This is interesting…. I did't really follow this legal battle as I know it started a while ago. But why would the city allow the team to move their in the first place if they are unhappy? You damn sure they are getting a ton of money from the team. It sounds like they just want to manage everything themselves.
This is interesting…. I did't really follow this legal battle as I know it started a while ago. But why would the city allow the team to move their in the first place if they are unhappy? You damn sure they are getting a ton of money from the team. It sounds like they just want to manage everything themselves.
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02-13-2020, 02:39 PM
#6400
Richburg said he'll be ready by training camp, let's hope his rehab goes well and he stays on time and stays healthy.
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02-14-2020, 08:55 AM
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Offense – Offseason Primer
It’s a little early to get into free agency because we don’t quite yet know who will be available but we at least know who is signed through the 2020 season. Below is a position by position breakdown
QB:
On Roster for 2020: Jimmy Garrappolo, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard
49er Free Agents: None
Potential Free Agent Signings: None
Potential Cuts/Trade: Trade Beathard
The 49ers are set at QB for the foreseeable future. I would think CJ would be on the trade block but don’t think any team would give up anything for his services.
RB:
On Roster for 2020: Raheem Mostert, Tevin Coleman, Matt Breida, Jerrick McKinnon, Jeff Wilson, Kyle Jucyzcyk
49er Free Agents: None
Potential Free Agent Signings: None
Potential Cuts/Trade: Cut Jerrick McKinnon
Only thing I would do here would be to restructure McKinnon or cut him. I’d also field trade calls for anyone of the running backs except for Mostert with the goal of trading for a mid round pick.
WR:
On Roster for 2020: Deebo Samuel, Kendrick Bourne, Trent Taylor, Richie James, Dante Pettis, M.Goodwin, Jalen Hurd, Shawn Poindexter, Chris Thompson
49er Free Agents: Emanuel Sanders, Jordan Matthews
Potential Free Agent Signings:
Potential Cuts/Trade: Trade Dante Pettis, cut M Goodwin
I would resign Sanders for a fair deal bc once he came in the offense got a lot better. Deebo looked good as a rookie but I don’t think he is ready for the #1 role yet. Bourne is a good backup WR who can start as needed but isn’t going to scare a defense. I like Taylor as a slot but he doesn’t bring much after the catch and his injury is quite concerning. Hurd is an unknown and his back injury is also concerning. I just don’t think we can fully count on Taylor and Hurd until they start to contribute.
I really don’t understand Kyle’s thoughts and reasoning regarding our WRs in general. I always thought Goodwin showed flashes and given his speed I thought he be our deep threat. Instead he was barely used and now looks like he’s gone. Pettis showed flashes in his rookie year and then all of a sudden he didn’t get any looks and Kyle said he was inconsistent and didn’t seize his opportunity. Not sure how one can seize his opportunity if the ball isn’t thrown his way??? Richie James doesn’t get hardly any snaps but he does at least contribute in special teams. Speaking of why doesn’t Pettis since he broke records in college as a punt returner.
Anyways this draft class is deep at WR and I look for his to grab a speedy threat. The Anderson kid from the Jets is intriguing too.
TE:
On Roster for 2020: George Kittle, Ross Dwelley, Daniel Helm
49er Free Agents: Levine Toilolo
Potential Free Agent Signings:
Potential Cuts/Trade:
Only thing we need to do here is bring in some competition for our depth. Dwelley should continue to improve but we need an upgrade over Toilolo.
OL:
On Roster for 2020: Staley, McGlinchey, Tomlinson, Person, Richburg, Brunskill, Skule, Amichia, Brendel, Jones-Smith, Reynolds, Wester, Lauderdale
49er Free Agents: Ben Garland, Shon Coleman
Potential Free Agent Signings: Garland, Coleman
Potential Cuts/Trade:
This continues to be one of my main areas of concern as it was last offseason but I admit they played well as a unit but as always they can still improve. Staley may or may not be back another year but I haven’t heard anything about retirement so hopefully he will return. I just don’t know if McClinchey is good enough to take over the LT spot. Drunskill played well when he had to fill in at both LT and RT so maybe he is our future tackle. The rest of the guys are backups but I’d try and get Coleman back as he looked good during preseason.
Outside of McGlinchey this regime doesn’t really draft OL too high and they seem to like castoffs from other teams (Tomlinson, Person, Garland, Coleman, Sam Young) so maybe we address OL in free agency? Regardless we need to improve in the interior.
So with all that said, who are some potential free agents you guys would like?
I’ll do the defense next week when I get some more free time.
It’s a little early to get into free agency because we don’t quite yet know who will be available but we at least know who is signed through the 2020 season. Below is a position by position breakdown
QB:
On Roster for 2020: Jimmy Garrappolo, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard
49er Free Agents: None
Potential Free Agent Signings: None
Potential Cuts/Trade: Trade Beathard
The 49ers are set at QB for the foreseeable future. I would think CJ would be on the trade block but don’t think any team would give up anything for his services.
RB:
On Roster for 2020: Raheem Mostert, Tevin Coleman, Matt Breida, Jerrick McKinnon, Jeff Wilson, Kyle Jucyzcyk
49er Free Agents: None
Potential Free Agent Signings: None
Potential Cuts/Trade: Cut Jerrick McKinnon
Only thing I would do here would be to restructure McKinnon or cut him. I’d also field trade calls for anyone of the running backs except for Mostert with the goal of trading for a mid round pick.
WR:
On Roster for 2020: Deebo Samuel, Kendrick Bourne, Trent Taylor, Richie James, Dante Pettis, M.Goodwin, Jalen Hurd, Shawn Poindexter, Chris Thompson
49er Free Agents: Emanuel Sanders, Jordan Matthews
Potential Free Agent Signings:
Potential Cuts/Trade: Trade Dante Pettis, cut M Goodwin
I would resign Sanders for a fair deal bc once he came in the offense got a lot better. Deebo looked good as a rookie but I don’t think he is ready for the #1 role yet. Bourne is a good backup WR who can start as needed but isn’t going to scare a defense. I like Taylor as a slot but he doesn’t bring much after the catch and his injury is quite concerning. Hurd is an unknown and his back injury is also concerning. I just don’t think we can fully count on Taylor and Hurd until they start to contribute.
I really don’t understand Kyle’s thoughts and reasoning regarding our WRs in general. I always thought Goodwin showed flashes and given his speed I thought he be our deep threat. Instead he was barely used and now looks like he’s gone. Pettis showed flashes in his rookie year and then all of a sudden he didn’t get any looks and Kyle said he was inconsistent and didn’t seize his opportunity. Not sure how one can seize his opportunity if the ball isn’t thrown his way??? Richie James doesn’t get hardly any snaps but he does at least contribute in special teams. Speaking of why doesn’t Pettis since he broke records in college as a punt returner.
Anyways this draft class is deep at WR and I look for his to grab a speedy threat. The Anderson kid from the Jets is intriguing too.
TE:
On Roster for 2020: George Kittle, Ross Dwelley, Daniel Helm
49er Free Agents: Levine Toilolo
Potential Free Agent Signings:
Potential Cuts/Trade:
Only thing we need to do here is bring in some competition for our depth. Dwelley should continue to improve but we need an upgrade over Toilolo.
OL:
On Roster for 2020: Staley, McGlinchey, Tomlinson, Person, Richburg, Brunskill, Skule, Amichia, Brendel, Jones-Smith, Reynolds, Wester, Lauderdale
49er Free Agents: Ben Garland, Shon Coleman
Potential Free Agent Signings: Garland, Coleman
Potential Cuts/Trade:
This continues to be one of my main areas of concern as it was last offseason but I admit they played well as a unit but as always they can still improve. Staley may or may not be back another year but I haven’t heard anything about retirement so hopefully he will return. I just don’t know if McClinchey is good enough to take over the LT spot. Drunskill played well when he had to fill in at both LT and RT so maybe he is our future tackle. The rest of the guys are backups but I’d try and get Coleman back as he looked good during preseason.
Outside of McGlinchey this regime doesn’t really draft OL too high and they seem to like castoffs from other teams (Tomlinson, Person, Garland, Coleman, Sam Young) so maybe we address OL in free agency? Regardless we need to improve in the interior.
So with all that said, who are some potential free agents you guys would like?
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02-14-2020, 09:49 AM
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^ nice breakdown.
I think our WRs are still unfortunately and issue and I agree we have too many question marks there.
Deebo is really the only young WR who has shown he can play well in this scheme.
Pettis this year was super weird though. I don't know if Kyle was just expecting more out of him and didn't see it and it remains to be seen if we're ready to move on or if we're pushing him to see if he gets that spark in him. Pettis is super talented but I think Kyle's frustration comes from Pettis not always being where he needs to be in terms of route running and likely his lack of aggression when getting attacking the ball. He gets open very easily but when you have him out there and the catch is contested he has to show that he can fight for the ball.
Goodwin IMO was more of his own doing. The guy had a bunch of opportunities and the ball was dropped. I know he's had some off the field stuff going on and I simply don't think his head was all in(not that i can blame him)
I'd like to see us re-sign Sanders as the vet. Then draft someone to replace Goodwin and let the others battle it out in camp. That includes Pettis. I would see what he has this offseason and see if he is serious about playing on this team. Can always move him before the season starts if we still think he's not ready. It won't bring a lot but I'd rather hold onto him right now to see if he can put it together.
I think our WRs are still unfortunately and issue and I agree we have too many question marks there.
Deebo is really the only young WR who has shown he can play well in this scheme.
Pettis this year was super weird though. I don't know if Kyle was just expecting more out of him and didn't see it and it remains to be seen if we're ready to move on or if we're pushing him to see if he gets that spark in him. Pettis is super talented but I think Kyle's frustration comes from Pettis not always being where he needs to be in terms of route running and likely his lack of aggression when getting attacking the ball. He gets open very easily but when you have him out there and the catch is contested he has to show that he can fight for the ball.
Goodwin IMO was more of his own doing. The guy had a bunch of opportunities and the ball was dropped. I know he's had some off the field stuff going on and I simply don't think his head was all in(not that i can blame him)
I'd like to see us re-sign Sanders as the vet. Then draft someone to replace Goodwin and let the others battle it out in camp. That includes Pettis. I would see what he has this offseason and see if he is serious about playing on this team. Can always move him before the season starts if we still think he's not ready. It won't bring a lot but I'd rather hold onto him right now to see if he can put it together.
02-14-2020, 01:28 PM
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getting Taylor back next year would be huge. He was a big favorite of Jimmy.
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02-14-2020, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
Those are my thoughts on this writeup of yours
Offense – Offseason Primer
It’s a little early to get into free agency because we don’t quite yet know who will be available but we at least know who is signed through the 2020 season. Below is a position by position breakdown
QB:
On Roster for 2020: Jimmy Garrappolo, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard
49er Free Agents: None
Potential Free Agent Signings: None
Potential Cuts/Trade: Trade Beathard
The 49ers are set at QB for the foreseeable future. I would think CJ would be on the trade block but don’t think any team would give up anything for his services.
Or do we maybe see what we can get for Mullens and keep CJB as backup? IMO we aren't winning much with either, maybe more with Mullens but not the main goal, its Jimmy or bust at this point. QB market is weird right now and not sure we get much for either, I'd say this position stays this way next year
RB:
On Roster for 2020: Raheem Mostert, Tevin Coleman, Matt Breida, Jerrick McKinnon, Jeff Wilson, Kyle Jucyzcyk
49er Free Agents: None
Potential Free Agent Signings: None
Potential Cuts/Trade: Cut Jerrick McKinnon
Only thing I would do here would be to restructure McKinnon or cut him. I’d also field trade calls for anyone of the running backs except for Mostert with the goal of trading for a mid round pick.
I really wanna see a healthy Jet in this offense, but he has to restructure and stay healthy. I'm fine with one of him or Coleman, Mostert, Breida, and Wilson and Juice going into next year. Do they try and trade Breida for something and roll without him and keep everyone else listed?
WR:
On Roster for 2020: Deebo Samuel, Kendrick Bourne, Trent Taylor, Richie James, Dante Pettis, M.Goodwin, Jalen Hurd, Shawn Poindexter, Chris Thompson
49er Free Agents: Emanuel Sanders, Jordan Matthews
Potential Free Agent Signings:
Potential Cuts/Trade: Trade Dante Pettis, cut M Goodwin
I would resign Sanders for a fair deal bc once he came in the offense got a lot better. Deebo looked good as a rookie but I don’t think he is ready for the #1 role yet. Bourne is a good backup WR who can start as needed but isn’t going to scare a defense. I like Taylor as a slot but he doesn’t bring much after the catch and his injury is quite concerning. Hurd is an unknown and his back injury is also concerning. I just don’t think we can fully count on Taylor and Hurd until they start to contribute.
I really don’t understand Kyle’s thoughts and reasoning regarding our WRs in general. I always thought Goodwin showed flashes and given his speed I thought he be our deep threat. Instead he was barely used and now looks like he’s gone. Pettis showed flashes in his rookie year and then all of a sudden he didn’t get any looks and Kyle said he was inconsistent and didn’t seize his opportunity. Not sure how one can seize his opportunity if the ball isn’t thrown his way??? Richie James doesn’t get hardly any snaps but he does at least contribute in special teams. Speaking of why doesn’t Pettis since he broke records in college as a punt returner.
Anyways this draft class is deep at WR and I look for his to grab a speedy threat. The Anderson kid from the Jets is intriguing too.
Agree on WR usage being questionable. We didn't see much variation or use of heavy WR sets this year. I like what James has shown as a receiver on some plays but plenty of times he's invisible or not getting it done as an undersize blocker. Deebo is great but not a 1 IMO, and same with Sanders. I know a healthy Trent and Hurd would provide a huge boost but still lack a deep threat and can either stay healthy? We need more from Bourne if we are going to keep him around, too many drops even though he was a huge RZ and 3rd down player. The silly drops were too much. Pettis who tf knows what's up with him. So much potential and not much to show for it. I hope he can contribute. If we can imagine a scenario with a fully healthy and living up to their potential group, I think the guys we have should be enough, but the health wasn't there and perhaps need to look at draft or maybe signing a guy to contribute and help in ways that are needed IE deep threat, very consistent. If we had one more guy this year that provided exactly what Deebo or Sanders can we would have been sooooo much better off.
TE:
On Roster for 2020: George Kittle, Ross Dwelley, Daniel Helm
49er Free Agents: Levine Toilolo
Potential Free Agent Signings:
Potential Cuts/Trade:
Only thing we need to do here is bring in some competition for our depth. Dwelley should continue to improve but we need an upgrade over Toilolo.
Agree, Dwelley will hopefully improve but we need more out of Toilolo or his replacement, can't just be in to block. Personally I think Dwelley will make an improvement next year but agree totally on adding comp and hopefully someone here who is a threat that defense have to worry about his blocking AND especially catching
OL:
On Roster for 2020: Staley, McGlinchey, Tomlinson, Person, Richburg, Brunskill, Skule, Amichia, Brendel, Jones-Smith, Reynolds, Wester, Lauderdale
49er Free Agents: Ben Garland, Shon Coleman
Potential Free Agent Signings: Garland, Coleman
Potential Cuts/Trade:
This continues to be one of my main areas of concern as it was last offseason but I admit they played well as a unit but as always they can still improve. Staley may or may not be back another year but I haven’t heard anything about retirement so hopefully he will return. I just don’t know if McClinchey is good enough to take over the LT spot. Drunskill played well when he had to fill in at both LT and RT so maybe he is our future tackle. The rest of the guys are backups but I’d try and get Coleman back as he looked good during preseason.
Outside of McGlinchey this regime doesn’t really draft OL too high and they seem to like castoffs from other teams (Tomlinson, Person, Garland, Coleman, Sam Young) so maybe we address OL in free agency? Regardless we need to improve in the interior.
I think Staley should stay and he can play at a high level, he did this year and assuming healthy should again. I can't complain about McGlinchey but he's gotta just stay focused and keep improving. If Richburg can stay healthy all year would be so huge. Garland did solid as a backup. LG and RG was serviceable. They did great in run game but left some to be desired in pass pro. If we had the same performance next year I wouldn't be mad but it could be better. Skule and Brunskill showed some things so gotta factor that in as well as how Coleman comes back from a big injury
So with all that said, who are some potential free agents you guys would like?
I’ll do the defense next week when I get some more free time.
It’s a little early to get into free agency because we don’t quite yet know who will be available but we at least know who is signed through the 2020 season. Below is a position by position breakdown
QB:
On Roster for 2020: Jimmy Garrappolo, Nick Mullens, CJ Beathard
49er Free Agents: None
Potential Free Agent Signings: None
Potential Cuts/Trade: Trade Beathard
The 49ers are set at QB for the foreseeable future. I would think CJ would be on the trade block but don’t think any team would give up anything for his services.
Or do we maybe see what we can get for Mullens and keep CJB as backup? IMO we aren't winning much with either, maybe more with Mullens but not the main goal, its Jimmy or bust at this point. QB market is weird right now and not sure we get much for either, I'd say this position stays this way next year
RB:
On Roster for 2020: Raheem Mostert, Tevin Coleman, Matt Breida, Jerrick McKinnon, Jeff Wilson, Kyle Jucyzcyk
49er Free Agents: None
Potential Free Agent Signings: None
Potential Cuts/Trade: Cut Jerrick McKinnon
Only thing I would do here would be to restructure McKinnon or cut him. I’d also field trade calls for anyone of the running backs except for Mostert with the goal of trading for a mid round pick.
I really wanna see a healthy Jet in this offense, but he has to restructure and stay healthy. I'm fine with one of him or Coleman, Mostert, Breida, and Wilson and Juice going into next year. Do they try and trade Breida for something and roll without him and keep everyone else listed?
WR:
On Roster for 2020: Deebo Samuel, Kendrick Bourne, Trent Taylor, Richie James, Dante Pettis, M.Goodwin, Jalen Hurd, Shawn Poindexter, Chris Thompson
49er Free Agents: Emanuel Sanders, Jordan Matthews
Potential Free Agent Signings:
Potential Cuts/Trade: Trade Dante Pettis, cut M Goodwin
I would resign Sanders for a fair deal bc once he came in the offense got a lot better. Deebo looked good as a rookie but I don’t think he is ready for the #1 role yet. Bourne is a good backup WR who can start as needed but isn’t going to scare a defense. I like Taylor as a slot but he doesn’t bring much after the catch and his injury is quite concerning. Hurd is an unknown and his back injury is also concerning. I just don’t think we can fully count on Taylor and Hurd until they start to contribute.
I really don’t understand Kyle’s thoughts and reasoning regarding our WRs in general. I always thought Goodwin showed flashes and given his speed I thought he be our deep threat. Instead he was barely used and now looks like he’s gone. Pettis showed flashes in his rookie year and then all of a sudden he didn’t get any looks and Kyle said he was inconsistent and didn’t seize his opportunity. Not sure how one can seize his opportunity if the ball isn’t thrown his way??? Richie James doesn’t get hardly any snaps but he does at least contribute in special teams. Speaking of why doesn’t Pettis since he broke records in college as a punt returner.
Anyways this draft class is deep at WR and I look for his to grab a speedy threat. The Anderson kid from the Jets is intriguing too.
Agree on WR usage being questionable. We didn't see much variation or use of heavy WR sets this year. I like what James has shown as a receiver on some plays but plenty of times he's invisible or not getting it done as an undersize blocker. Deebo is great but not a 1 IMO, and same with Sanders. I know a healthy Trent and Hurd would provide a huge boost but still lack a deep threat and can either stay healthy? We need more from Bourne if we are going to keep him around, too many drops even though he was a huge RZ and 3rd down player. The silly drops were too much. Pettis who tf knows what's up with him. So much potential and not much to show for it. I hope he can contribute. If we can imagine a scenario with a fully healthy and living up to their potential group, I think the guys we have should be enough, but the health wasn't there and perhaps need to look at draft or maybe signing a guy to contribute and help in ways that are needed IE deep threat, very consistent. If we had one more guy this year that provided exactly what Deebo or Sanders can we would have been sooooo much better off.
TE:
On Roster for 2020: George Kittle, Ross Dwelley, Daniel Helm
49er Free Agents: Levine Toilolo
Potential Free Agent Signings:
Potential Cuts/Trade:
Only thing we need to do here is bring in some competition for our depth. Dwelley should continue to improve but we need an upgrade over Toilolo.
Agree, Dwelley will hopefully improve but we need more out of Toilolo or his replacement, can't just be in to block. Personally I think Dwelley will make an improvement next year but agree totally on adding comp and hopefully someone here who is a threat that defense have to worry about his blocking AND especially catching
OL:
On Roster for 2020: Staley, McGlinchey, Tomlinson, Person, Richburg, Brunskill, Skule, Amichia, Brendel, Jones-Smith, Reynolds, Wester, Lauderdale
49er Free Agents: Ben Garland, Shon Coleman
Potential Free Agent Signings: Garland, Coleman
Potential Cuts/Trade:
This continues to be one of my main areas of concern as it was last offseason but I admit they played well as a unit but as always they can still improve. Staley may or may not be back another year but I haven’t heard anything about retirement so hopefully he will return. I just don’t know if McClinchey is good enough to take over the LT spot. Drunskill played well when he had to fill in at both LT and RT so maybe he is our future tackle. The rest of the guys are backups but I’d try and get Coleman back as he looked good during preseason.
Outside of McGlinchey this regime doesn’t really draft OL too high and they seem to like castoffs from other teams (Tomlinson, Person, Garland, Coleman, Sam Young) so maybe we address OL in free agency? Regardless we need to improve in the interior.
I think Staley should stay and he can play at a high level, he did this year and assuming healthy should again. I can't complain about McGlinchey but he's gotta just stay focused and keep improving. If Richburg can stay healthy all year would be so huge. Garland did solid as a backup. LG and RG was serviceable. They did great in run game but left some to be desired in pass pro. If we had the same performance next year I wouldn't be mad but it could be better. Skule and Brunskill showed some things so gotta factor that in as well as how Coleman comes back from a big injury
So with all that said, who are some potential free agents you guys would like?
I’ll do the defense next week when I get some more free time.
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02-17-2020, 05:35 PM
#6405
Look forward to combine to see how some of these guys run…and then free agency to see where our needs come draft time really line up.
Just did a mock on draft network with trades(unlike first-pick site getting trades accepted on here seems to cost way too much but I guess that’s more realistic)
Came up with this. Definitely would be ok with that especially if Ward isn’t re-signed and FS is an issue.
57 Antoine Winfield Jr., S Minnesota
80 Tyler Biadasz, IOL Wisconsin
111 Tyler Johnson, WR Minnesota
138 Harrison Bryant, TE Florida Atlantic
222 Levonta Taylor, CB Florida State
Just did a mock on draft network with trades(unlike first-pick site getting trades accepted on here seems to cost way too much but I guess that’s more realistic)
Came up with this. Definitely would be ok with that especially if Ward isn’t re-signed and FS is an issue.
57 Antoine Winfield Jr., S Minnesota
80 Tyler Biadasz, IOL Wisconsin
111 Tyler Johnson, WR Minnesota
138 Harrison Bryant, TE Florida Atlantic
222 Levonta Taylor, CB Florida State
02-18-2020, 05:37 AM
#6406
I'm still catching up on some draft prospects but right now here are my top 5s on guys I'd love for us to draft(will ignore guys I'm assuming will be gone before #31) and ignoring some positions I don't see us drafting.
WR:
1. Jalen Reagor
2. Brandon Aiyuk
3. KJ Hamler
4. Denzel Mims
5. Quartney Davis
G/C:
1. Lloyd Cushenberry
2. Cesar Ruiz
3. Matt Hennessy
4. Tyler Biadasz
5. Damien Lewis
DE:
1. Julian Okwara
2. Terrell Lewis
3. Bradlee Anae
4. Josh Uche
5. Darrell Taylor
CB:
1. Damon Arnette
2. Trevon Diggs
3. Cameron Dantzler
4. Jeff Gladney
5. AJ Terrell
S: (probably the most top heavy position that may be a need for us)
1. Xavier McKinney
2. Grant Delpit
3. Ashtyn Davis
4. Antoine Winfield
5. Kyle Dugger
I see a lot of talent on that list that likely goes 2nd and 3rd round area…we're going to have to pull off some magic to get 2+ of those guys.
From what I've seen so far WR and CB classes appear to be the deepest. CB of course is much harder to project than WR.
Looking forward to the combine next week to see the athletic drills.
IMO we have to find a way to get out of #31 unless Reagor or McKinney are there. Both may be long gone though when the draft comes. I've seen both mocked much higher but I've also seen them mocked to us or in the 2nd round so hard to say at this point.
WR:
1. Jalen Reagor
2. Brandon Aiyuk
3. KJ Hamler
4. Denzel Mims
5. Quartney Davis
G/C:
1. Lloyd Cushenberry
2. Cesar Ruiz
3. Matt Hennessy
4. Tyler Biadasz
5. Damien Lewis
DE:
1. Julian Okwara
2. Terrell Lewis
3. Bradlee Anae
4. Josh Uche
5. Darrell Taylor
CB:
1. Damon Arnette
2. Trevon Diggs
3. Cameron Dantzler
4. Jeff Gladney
5. AJ Terrell
S: (probably the most top heavy position that may be a need for us)
1. Xavier McKinney
2. Grant Delpit
3. Ashtyn Davis
4. Antoine Winfield
5. Kyle Dugger
I see a lot of talent on that list that likely goes 2nd and 3rd round area…we're going to have to pull off some magic to get 2+ of those guys.
From what I've seen so far WR and CB classes appear to be the deepest. CB of course is much harder to project than WR.
Looking forward to the combine next week to see the athletic drills.
IMO we have to find a way to get out of #31 unless Reagor or McKinney are there. Both may be long gone though when the draft comes. I've seen both mocked much higher but I've also seen them mocked to us or in the 2nd round so hard to say at this point.
02-18-2020, 09:15 AM
#6407
^^ I was listening to Pat Kirwan the other day and he wasn't too hot on Ashtyn Davis. Said he will blow up the combine since he's a track guy and his 40 time will be awesome but he just doesn't see it on the field.
I need to go look at the Raegor kid.
I need to go look at the Raegor kid.
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02-18-2020, 09:26 AM
#6408
^Just reminded me of when we drafted Taylor Mays. I don’t remember how good his combine was but there were a lot of people that had a crush on him and I knew he was dog ****. Watched him take terrible angles constantly at USC and knew he’d never last. But Singletary just had to have him. He’s so physical!
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02-18-2020, 09:29 AM
#6409
Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
Pat Kirwan is a Pete Carroll groupie so while he's intelligent I don't always agree with him. Davis likely will do well at the combine but that's not a bad thing. I go back and forth on the safeties I have 2nd-4th but I think Davis would be a good fit for what we need which is someone with good range who isn't afraid to tackle. He's definitely not without weaknesses but I think he's a good fit here.
^^ I was listening to Pat Kirwan the other day and he wasn't too hot on Ashtyn Davis. Said he will blow up the combine since he's a track guy and his 40 time will be awesome but he just doesn't see it on the field.
I need to go look at the Raegor kid.
I need to go look at the Raegor kid.
02-18-2020, 09:34 AM
#6410
What’s best the consensus of our biggest positions of need? I have tuned the fuk out and usually I’m locked in at this time. I don’t even know who won SB MVP. Assuming Damien Williams?
I would say our biggest needs are S, WR, LT and maybe CB. I’m assuming we can’t pay Ward what he’ll want. WR is very weak if Sanders is gone. Staley’s career is almost over and we could always use more CB’s especially with Sherman up there in age.
I would say our biggest needs are S, WR, LT and maybe CB. I’m assuming we can’t pay Ward what he’ll want. WR is very weak if Sanders is gone. Staley’s career is almost over and we could always use more CB’s especially with Sherman up there in age.
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02-18-2020, 09:55 AM
#6411
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
FA will say what our biggest needs are.
What’s best the consensus of our biggest positions of need? I have tuned the fuk out and usually I’m locked in at this time. I don’t even know who won SB MVP. Assuming Damien Williams?
I would say our biggest needs are S, WR, LT and maybe CB. I’m assuming we can’t pay Ward what he’ll want. WR is very weak if Sanders is gone. Staley’s career is almost over and we could always use more CB’s especially with Sherman up there in age.
I would say our biggest needs are S, WR, LT and maybe CB. I’m assuming we can’t pay Ward what he’ll want. WR is very weak if Sanders is gone. Staley’s career is almost over and we could always use more CB’s especially with Sherman up there in age.
I'd say if we can find a way to keep our main free agents in Armstead, Ward, Sanders then our biggest needs are WR, RG, S, CB, DE depth.
Staley has a couple of years left and Brunskill filled in pretty well. Even Skule held his own so I don't see LT as an urgent need but something we definitely need a plan for.
02-18-2020, 12:31 PM
#6412
I like Sanders but I’m fine if he walks. Deebo is awesome and we have Kittle. We need help at receiver but I’d rather go young at this point. Hurd and Taylor hopefully coming back. Maybe just maybe Pettis gets his sh*t together. This looks like a loaded WR draft. We could get a really good prospect at 31.
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02-18-2020, 12:33 PM
#6413
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
LOL Singletary and his "FYSICAL" and "I GOTTA LOOK AT THE FILM" lol. What a load of horsecrap this guy spewed.
^Just reminded me of when we drafted Taylor Mays. I don’t remember how good his combine was but there were a lot of people that had a crush on him and I knew he was dog ****. Watched him take terrible angles constantly at USC and knew he’d never last. But Singletary just had to have him. He’s so physical!
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02-18-2020, 01:08 PM
#6414
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
If Sanders leaves it's not the end of the world, especially with this draft class. The reason I hope we re-sign him is simply to try and keep the main guys we had last year while trying to find eventual replacements or guys who can add something we didn't have last year.
I like Sanders but I’m fine if he walks. Deebo is awesome and we have Kittle. We need help at receiver but I’d rather go young at this point. Hurd and Taylor hopefully coming back. Maybe just maybe Pettis gets his sh*t together. This looks like a loaded WR draft. We could get a really good prospect at 31.
Sanders' biggest impact was in the locker room. It's been widely reported that his presence really helped the group and that would be a big reason to bring him back but of course we're not in a position to spend big bucks for him so if he prices himself out then we'll have to move on.
Would like to have Jimmy know who his main guys will be early enough in the offseason that he can really go to work with them and make sure that chemistry is on point this season.
Sanders, Deebo make a good starting duo. Rookie WR, Hurd, Taylor, Bourne and Pettis can fight for the other spots.
If Taylor and Hurd turn into the players most expected after camp/preseason even better. If Pettis can revive his career and show he was worth a 2nd round trade up then we should be one of the most dangerous offenses in the league next year.
But take Sanders away and Bourne/Taylor are our most veteran players.
02-18-2020, 01:14 PM
#6415
Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
^Just reminded me of when we drafted Taylor Mays. I don’t remember how good his combine was but there were a lot of people that had a crush on him and I knew he was dog ****. Watched him take terrible angles constantly at USC and knew he’d never last. But Singletary just had to have him. He’s so physical!
Missed this. I don't think Davis is Mays at all. He is a little stiff on some plays but he's way better in pass coverage than Mays who was basically a linebacker who couldn't cover sh*t.
Ideally I'd rather we just re-sign Ward and not have to take safety early but if a guy like McKinney or Delpit fall it may be worth taking a shot. If we get ourselves a playmaker/ball hawk back there with the DLine that we have it could really do some great things to the defense overall. We certainly MUCH improved our takeaways last year but I saw a post that very few of them came from Ward/Tartt.
02-19-2020, 03:41 PM
#6416
Thoughts on trading Mullens or CJ for a draft pick?
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02-19-2020, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted By blinkers88⏩
Trade CJ if you can get anything out of him, but I think we need Mullens as a backup
Thoughts on trading Mullens or CJ for a draft pick?
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02-19-2020, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted By blinkers88⏩
I mentioned it earlier in that big run down but, to reiterate - I'm up for it I just don't know what we can get for a backup QB. Personally I'm willing to get whatever we can because the way I look at it is this: we aren't winning a SB with CJB or Mullens at the helm so why not see what other players we could get, even if they don't pan out I don't look at it as a loss. We can keep one or even get rid of both and just put another backup there because that's what it is, a backup spot. We could be decent with a solid team and a backup QB but not where we can with a solid starter QB, look at the differences between Jimmy, Nick, and CJ and what we get out of them.
Thoughts on trading Mullens or CJ for a draft pick?
I'm all for getting rid of one or both just to see what players we could replace with and who knows what could happen but at the same time you gotta have at least one backup on the roster and also like I said in this market what are you getting for a backup QB in the league right now?
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02-20-2020, 09:23 AM
#6419
I don't think this is the year to trade Mullens as he doesn't have much value. Too many decent QBs are hitting the market in this free agency.
Brady
Rivers
Bridgewater
Winston
Mariotta
Tannelhill
Then you got the Qbs in the draft Burrow, Tua, and Herbert.
I guess the question will be what would you accept for Mullens? If someone offered a 5th rounder would you? I don't think I would for a 5th. IMO he could get us by if Jimmy G went down for a couple games.
Brady
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Bridgewater
Winston
Mariotta
Tannelhill
Then you got the Qbs in the draft Burrow, Tua, and Herbert.
I guess the question will be what would you accept for Mullens? If someone offered a 5th rounder would you? I don't think I would for a 5th. IMO he could get us by if Jimmy G went down for a couple games.
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02-20-2020, 10:09 AM
#6420
Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
I wouldn't trade Mullens for a 5th. CJ I'd trade for a 7th rounder at this point. Good kid, tough SOB but I don't like keeping 3 QBs on the active roster with cap issues. I think our depth will be critical to trying to get back to the SB, especially if they change the rules with how many teams get a bye week as our schedule will be tough and getting #1 seed will take everything we've got.
I don't think this is the year to trade Mullens as he doesn't have much value. Too many decent QBs are hitting the market in this free agency.
Brady
Rivers
Bridgewater
Winston
Mariotta
Tannelhill
Then you got the Qbs in the draft Burrow, Tua, and Herbert.
I guess the question will be what would you accept for Mullens? If someone offered a 5th rounder would you? I don't think I would for a 5th. IMO he could get us by if Jimmy G went down for a couple games.
Brady
Rivers
Bridgewater
Winston
Mariotta
Tannelhill
Then you got the Qbs in the draft Burrow, Tua, and Herbert.
I guess the question will be what would you accept for Mullens? If someone offered a 5th rounder would you? I don't think I would for a 5th. IMO he could get us by if Jimmy G went down for a couple games.
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