He has his issues but he’s still a scary play maker at QB. Dude had a monster season in 2019. This past year Greg Roman does what he does best and not adapt so he didn’t look nearly as good and still helped the Ravens win a lot of games.

Either way Fields is a way better passer than Lamar so it’s not a comparison anyways.

Get this Lamar talk out of the 49ers thread. There’s 50 threads about him being elite by copers and 50 threads about him being a RB.

Watched the press conference today. Body language “expert” in me says Shanny wants Mac Jones. I’m looking for any signal I can get and he was definitely acting weird for a bit when he was asked about him. Also, used my “expertise” to determine we liked Bosa over Williams when Lynch used Bosa’s name first when talking about them both.

I’m a poker guy. I look for tells. There are some Mac tells.

Please no

I don't know anything about this mac jones guy, but JF looks legit. Consistently made progressions, accurate, size.

Jones is good but not worth what they gave up for the #3.

Agreed

I just can't see the logic in making that trade for a player like Jones. I haven't been posting here much but I loved Jones for us at 12…but it was because I thought there was no legit chance at Fields. I watched a lot of Wilson tape because during the season he wasn't so highly touted. Lawrence and Fields were pretty much 1/2 almost the whole year…**** after Fields took it to Clemson people started asking if he should be #1 over Lawrence(no he shouldn't) and obviously his stock fell after the Alabama game even though he played much better than his numbers.

But the more I watch of Fields the more there is to like. Forget the press conference and look back at what he's said recently.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/article...-quarterbacks/

Tried quoting the specifics but format keeps getting ****ed up

This was said before the season was over IIRC. No reason for smoke screens, no idea where we'd be picking at the time.

Now could Kyle be so far ahead of the game that he was throwing up smoke at that time? Possible…but I think seeing Mahomes take it to us, seeing Watson have the season he had, watching Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray give our defense fits, seeing our mega pass rush have to take a step back vs a guy like Lamar Jackson and I think you get a HC who starts to adjust his typical views.

Let's not forget we basically missed out on Mahomes/Watson because Kyle had his eyes set on Kirk Cousins. Now I don't blame him at the time. He knew Kirk would be available for nothing but cap space(we had a ton) and our defense was horrendous in 2016. Solly was a bust but the move made a ton of sense at the time.

However I'm sure seeing how things went down and wondering what if…must not sit well with him.

Now Mac Jones is a terrific QB. IMO he can start week 1 and play pretty well within our offense and likely be better than post ACL Jimmy. He would also be much cheaper than Jimmy which in turn would allow us to have a better team in place moving forward.

Question is…is he THAT much better than Jimmy? Cap space is great but right now it's not an issue for us to the point where we HAVE to get rid of Jimmy.

You're trading away 2 first round picks(never know what happens so there's potential you're giving up a top 5 pick(s)) and a 3rd rounder to draft this kid.

IMO there has to be a solid floor but also a monster ceiling. Now I've made this point before when fighting FOR Jones at 12, his ceiling could be Tom Brady/Drew Brees. Guys who don't exactly have the best physical traits but are film junkies, perfect mechanics and just get the job done.

It's possible…is it likely? When was the last time a team traded that much to draft a guy who wasn't toolsy as fuk? Jared Goff? How'd that turn out for the Rams? And they didn't even give up as much and made the bigger jump up(15 to 1)

To me the more I watch Fields, the more I read about him the more I want him. Potentially over Wilson(though I'm pretty confident Jets are taking him)

Check out these numbers




Now Jones isn't on this list so I'll have to dig those up(we all know he was money accurate)

but Fields being as accurate as he was WITH the potential to get even better and provide things Jones can't provide to me fits what Kyle is looking for.

Elite traits better than 98%?

Jones - release? mechanics? reading defense? those are all things you can work on.
His accuracy is definitely up there

Fields - athletic ability, arm strength - god given
And he's got top notch accuracy

We'll see what happens. I know I'm excited to compare the pro days today(not that pro days should decide who our pick is)

Should’ve done this trade last year and grabbed Herbert

My preferred order of preference as of today subject to change by the hour:

1. Fields
2. Lance
3. Jones

I'd be happy with anyone of them but like everyone else has said giving up that much for Jones would be bad. I dont think he'd be there at 12 either though. If Jones was the guy i think you wait to trade up on draft day and see how the draft unfolds. I

I mean Jimmy had just taken us to the super bowl, and no idea he'd be injured for most of the year

If it's not Wilson or Fields at #3 then I don't know wtf we're doing.

If they somehow manage to get Wilson, we have another dynasty on our hands.

This is true. Although, we could’ve beat Minnesota and Green Bay by running the ball on every play which we pretty much did lol

He looked like the real deal vs NO in the shootout

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49...XQXA9aY5RGbYsQ

That means what lol?

They were there today. Adam Peters our main scout/assistant GM was at Fields' pro day. Anyone watching those back to back can see the difference.

I'm confident they didn't make that type of trade to take a drastically inferior talent.

It means exactly what the article said. The 49ers GM/HC are looking at Jones rather than Fields. I hate the trade already but it will be so much worse if we don't grab Fields.

They’ve already said they’re going to get another pro day done with Fields. Plus Adam Peters was at OSU today. Kyle and I think John didn’t attend the OSU pro day when we drafted Bosa. All the media talk was about how much we loved Quinnen Williams.

Unless they’re picking #1 overall smoke screens are a necessity.

Why is a smokescreen necessary? We know who is going #1. We have a pretty good idea of who is going #2. We know no one will trade up to #2 because the 49ers grossly overpaid and already asked.

Take a look a the first 20 min of this, and you tell me if you think Fields is worth what they gave up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADVI8_Oumm4

I highly doubt it's Fields, the guy is late and is not seeing the field right. Guy is basically a project, will have to sit a year.

I don't listen to anything those two have to say. Cohn wants Kyle Trask for god's sakes. I remember his Bosa tape breakdown where he went on and on about how Bosa would be a huge mistake to draft…

If you want to watch something then watch this…and make your own judgements.




All of the negatives on Fields are coachable and if he's the selection that means OUR coach thinks he can help with those things. Russell Wilson wasn't the QB he was coming out of Wisconsin. Mahomes wasn't the QB he is now coming out. Watson wasn't the QB he was when he came out…etc.

Guys develop. When scouting them you have to identify the weaknesses and figure out if they're going to doom a prospect to failure in the NFL or if you can minimize the weaknesses or clean them up completely.

Fields has been a 5 star recruit from HS, he's done nothing to show he's not a super talented player. We've got the perfect situation for any QB, coach him up behind Jimmy and then let him shine.

We have a good idea who's going #2 we don't know for sure. #1 we know for sure, Jags are taking Lawrence.

Smoke screen is necessary because you don't control the choice at #2.

I doubt highly we have Wilson/Fields graded EXACTLY the same way. I'm sure we have a preference. There's a chance we have a preference and it may not be Wilson. If that's the case you don't show your hand because if a team like Chicago loves Fields as well could decide to blow away the Jets on draft day and move up to get the guy we truly covet.

Odds are we're good with Fields or Wilson so another reason to show interest in the other QBs could be showing other teams there's legit interest in Jones/Lance and push the QB run early.

Ensuring teams like NE or Chicago don't get one of the top QBs would help in the Jimmy G trade situation. You still have Trask, Mills, Mond later in the draft but the more teams with holes at QB the better odds you can move Jimmy either before the season or mid season or after the season.

There's always a reason for a smoke screen when you don't have #1 overall. I mean why did they have the Quinnen Williams smoke screen at #2?

Quick (non-troll) question from a Vikings fan–it's been said that SF has a "win-now" roster of players, so why make this big trade (for presumably your future franchise QB) when it generally takes at least 2-3 years for a young QB to develop? Won't your roster have turned over a bit by that point and you will not have had any high draft choices added to it is due to the trade?

I'm not a Jimmy defender by any means he's actually a lot like my team's QB (Cousins), except has more durability issues. I know sometimes teams have to get worse first in order to get better, but I'll be curious to see where your team is in 3 years compared to now…..

Can't see the whole field on those highlights, i'll pass. Every film breakdown I've seen is unimpressive, no matter who it's from. Do you have a complete film breakdown that is impressive from this guy?

You'll pass, I'd love to have him. We'll see what happens.

There are plenty of draft analysis on him where guys don't have an ax to grind like Cohn/Hammer do. They have their clear biases and find what they want to find. If you listen to them then you may want to rethink how you analyze players.



This guy is pretty unbiased. He points out weaknesses but he also makes it a point that they're not the types that kill him in the NFL, just something he needs to work on.

And those things are all about development. I'll take the talent with the floor and the crazy high ceiling.

JT OSullivan also does a good job of breaking down film and he's had good things to say about him.

You're not getting a squeaky clean prospect. Zach Wilson isn't squeaky clean. Trevor Lawrence is as clean as you get and he STILL has weaknesses he'll need to work on.

It depends on what the team does.

They are acting like they're not planning on trading Garoppolo right now(and that makes sense) basically potentially replicating what Chiefs did with Mahomes by letting him sit as a rookie then he hit the ground running(understatement) in his 2nd season.

Of course if someone gives them what they want for Jimmy, they'll move him and that may still happen. If it does their roster is good enough to win now and seeing what Kyle was able to do with RG3 as a rookie with a much weaker Washington roster I'm sure he'll be able to win with Fields. Think young Russell Wilson.

Then again not all rookie QBs are created equal. Mac Jones IMO is most NFL ready but I'd be pissed if we took him at #3 because I don't think he's that much of an improvement from Jimmy. If they get Wilson/Fields/Lance the potential is so much higher than with Jones. But Lance IMO is super raw. If you take him…he needs to sit.

I think Wilson and Fields are much more likely to have success as rookies.

Percentage of total passing yards from RPO's and Screens last year:

Trevor Lawrence 27.0%
Mac Jones 22.5%
Zach Wilson 12.1%
Trey Lance (2019) 11.2%
Justin Fields 8.5%

Percentage of passing yards that came before the catch (air yards) for
@PFF
's top-five 2021 NFL Draft QBs:

Justin Fields — 70%

Zach Wilson — 62%

Trey Lance — 54% (2019)

Mac Jones — 47%
Trevor Lawrence — 43%



Percentage of passing yards that came before the catch (air yards) for Ohio State QBs + Power 5 Rank:

Justin Fields, 2020 — 70% (1st)
Justin Fields, 2019 — 72% (1st)

…

Dwayne Haskins, 2018 — 51% (41st)
JT Barrett, 2017 — 48% (52nd)



But we don't think Kyle would have a field day(no pun intended) with him?

Because they're stupid and I hate them.

You can win now with a young QB. Arguably the best time, if they’re competent. Shanahan took RG3 to the playoffs as a rookie with a much worse roster.

Same chit, can't process, can't see the field, late on reads, lacks feel, great physical tools. Same crap. Just not worth all those assets