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04-01-2021, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted By ghostfacedup
Same chit, can't process, can't see the field, late on reads, lacks feel , great physical tools. Same crap. Just not worth all those assets
That's not what was said. He points out several instances which show holes in his game that he'll have to improve on. He didn't flat out say Fields can't do those things considering if you take the time to watch his play you'll see many instances of him doing all of those things. You know what happens as QBs get more experience and get together with proper coaches? They develop, they grow. Look at Josh Allen for crying out loud.

Fields has been pretty much the #2 guy behind Trevor Lawrence since both were recruits. Some places even had Fields #1 over Lawrence. They were 1/2 heading into this season and they were 1/2 early in the season.

Suddenly Fields has a couple of bad games, games which include OSU having issues with guys missing at WR and OL vs teams who have very good defenses and suddenly he's not worth #3 overall?

All of the issues being brought up with him are coachable. We don't know what OSU coached him to do. College coaches don't typically coach guys to be successful in the NFL. They coach them to win games in college. They don't give a fuk about their development for NFL play.

One thing you have to remember that if we make the pick it means Kyle likes what he sees. It means he's comfortable with what he saw on film(he's not scouting off pro days) and it means he's going to coach this kid up.
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04-01-2021, 10:08 AM
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That's not what was said. He points out several instances which show holes in his game that he'll have to improve on. He didn't flat out say Fields can't do those things considering if you take the time to watch his play you'll see many instances of him doing all of those things. You know what happens as QBs get more experience and get together with proper coaches? They develop, they grow. Look at Josh Allen for crying out loud.

Fields has been pretty much the #2 guy behind Trevor Lawrence since both were recruits. Some places even had Fields #1 over Lawrence. They were 1/2 heading into this season and they were 1/2 early in the season.

Suddenly Fields has a couple of bad games, games which include OSU having issues with guys missing at WR and OL vs teams who have very good defenses and suddenly he's not worth #3 overall?

All of the issues being brought up with him are coachable. We don't know what OSU coached him to do. College coaches don't typically coach guys to be successful in the NFL. They coach them to win games in college. They don't give a fuk about their development for NFL play.

One thing you have to remember that if we make the pick it means Kyle likes what he sees. It means he's comfortable with what he saw on film(he's not scouting off pro days) and it means he's going to coach this kid up.
At this point, I'm really hoping Kyle sees something in Lance. If Lance can throw and read defenses, he's going to be a PROBLEM because he has better pocket awareness and mobility than Fields (Fields is more of a straight line explosive runner). If Wilson is there, we going to the Superbowl in the next two years.
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04-01-2021, 10:58 AM
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At this point, I'm really hoping Kyle sees something in Lance. If Lance can throw and read defenses, he's going to be a PROBLEM because he has better pocket awareness and mobility than Fields (Fields is more of a straight line explosive runner). If Wilson is there, we going to the Superbowl in the next two years.
I'd have 0 issues with Lance. His potential is legit. I just like Fields' play vs better competition, his consistency in being one of the best talents in the country. I think the kid is very coachable and there is less concern with the change in level of competition.

One thing about Fields' inconsistency this year could certainly be attributed to the covid hell they went through. I forgot just how bad it was and was reminded of it recently.

300 missed practices
no consecutive games
27 days between season and playoffs

This kid is a baller.

Having said that Wilson/Fields/Lance at #3 and I think we have a great future. I like Mac Jones but if he's our pick at 3 that's the only way this trade blows up in our face…and even then it may end up working out if the team can win with him.

Given what we gave up I would like to see us win AND have an elite QB who can be on this roster for 15+ years where we don't necessarily need a powerhouse roster around him to win a SB.
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04-23-2021, 07:16 AM
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Getting closer to draft day! I think this will be the first year in a long time we do not sign any DL… We picked up plenty of help during the FA. So that means we should be adding depth everywhere else. Other than going QB with our first pick what do you guys see us doing with the rest? I can see secondary, OL, Receiver, ect…


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04-23-2021, 09:10 AM
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My gut is telling me they’re drafting Lance and he’ll sit for a year or until Jimmy gets hurt

Pass rusher, corner, and another TE would be nice too
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04-23-2021, 09:47 AM
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Getting closer to draft day! I think this will be the first year in a long time we do not sign any DL… We picked up plenty of help during the FA. So that means we should be adding depth everywhere else. Other than going QB with our first pick what do you guys see us doing with the rest? I can see secondary, OL, Receiver, ect…


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Good luck remodeling, i assume you dont need lumber with the prices being so high.

Yeah i can see corner, slot wr, & OL as our needs right now. I'm really happy with this offseason so far. Never thought we'd be able to sign this many players.
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04-23-2021, 10:02 AM
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Good luck remodeling, i assume you dont need lumber with the prices being so high.

Yeah i can see corner, slot wr, & OL as our needs right now. I'm really happy with this offseason so far. Never thought we'd be able to sign this many players.

Thankfully no wood for this project. I am happy I built a deck last year. If I did it this year I easily could have spent double.

Ya the team worked some magic to sign what they did. Hopefully next year the cap increases as we will have to extend a few players and they will not be cheap!
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04-27-2021, 11:50 AM
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I still don't think it's Mac Jones. IMO it's going to be Wilson or Fields or Lance. You don't trade all that capital for Mac Jones. Still think they know something others don't, and it's going to be Wilson.
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04-27-2021, 12:59 PM
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I still don't think it's Mac Jones. IMO it's going to be Wilson or Fields or Lance. You don't trade all that capital for Mac Jones. Still think they know something others don't, and it's going to be Wilson.
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04-27-2021, 07:14 PM
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Mac Jones is a lot better than 49ers fans think. To me he’s a better prospect than Tua. I’ll be happy if they call his name tomorrow.
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04-27-2021, 07:27 PM
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Mac Jones is a lot better than 49ers fans think. To me he’s a better prospect than Tua. I’ll be happy if they call his name tomorrow.
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04-28-2021, 08:58 AM
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The WORST thing in the world is listening to liberal 49er fans who think Shanahan is a racist for preferring Mac Jones and thinking they know more about Shanahan's Offense than Shanny himself lol. LOL @ these "experts" who don't want Shanny to pick HIS guy after RG3 and Jimmy G were thrust upon him and put reputation in danger.
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04-28-2021, 09:05 AM
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The WORST thing in the world is listening to liberal 49er fans who think Shanahan is a racist for preferring Mac Jones and thinking they know more about Shanahan's Offense than Shanny himself lol. LOL @ these "experts" who don't want Shanny to pick HIS guy after RG3 and Jimmy G were thrust upon him and put reputation in danger.
Who’s saying it’s racist besides Kellerman, Stephen A and those retards on fox and espn?

There’s reports saying the Niners went after Flacco and Dalton hard. Making me think they have no idea what they’re doing.
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Who’s saying it’s racist besides Kellerman, Stephen A and those retards on fox and espn?

There’s reports saying the Niners went after Flacco and Dalton hard. Making me think they have no idea what they’re doing.
There are tons of 49er fans on Twitter who are saying the same chit. I know Twitter sucks.
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04-28-2021, 09:12 AM
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There are tons of 49er fans on Twitter who are saying the same chit. I know Twitter sucks.
You need to surround yourself with better people bro.
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04-28-2021, 09:18 AM
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There are tons of 49er fans on Twitter who are saying the same chit. I know Twitter sucks.
Well, their media team members probably make 50k a year living in California, gotta take their anger out somewhere. Gotta love couch GM’s. Bro you go back and forth about your preferred pronouns, what makes you think you can pick me out the best QB in the draft?
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04-28-2021, 09:18 AM
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You need to surround yourself with better people bro.
LMAO. It's true though, 49er fans are really disgusted by this Mac Jones stuff, as if they know the QB position better than Shanny.
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04-28-2021, 09:23 AM
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The WORST thing in the world is listening to liberal 49er fans who think Shanahan is a racist for preferring Mac Jones and thinking they know more about Shanahan's Offense than Shanny himself lol. LOL @ these "experts" who don't want Shanny to pick HIS guy after RG3 and Jimmy G were thrust upon him and put reputation in danger.
Lol that’s a thing? Jesus, this world needs a cleansing.

I did hear Chris Biderman, who is a pompous douche, mention Mac Jones political beliefs as a reason not to draft him. About how this guy is the face of the franchise, do you really want to bring him into the Bay Area of all places? ( I’m assuming he voted Trump, idk don’t care)

Absolutely lunatic thing to say. Let’s just all separate amongst the country. Liberals up north, conservatives go south.

Part and parcel for Bay Area journalism though.
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04-28-2021, 09:23 AM
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LMAO. It's true though, 49er fans are really disgusted by this Mac Jones stuff, as if they know the QB position better than Shanny.
Must be a slow news cycle right now. It's not even worth talking about IMO.
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The WORST thing in the world is listening to liberal 49er fans who think Shanahan is a racist for preferring Mac Jones and thinking they know more about Shanahan's Offense than Shanny himself lol. LOL @ these "experts" who don't want Shanny to pick HIS guy after RG3 and Jimmy G were thrust upon him and put reputation in danger.
Agreed. I'm about to get rid of twitter too. To much liberal outrage. I want Justin Fields or Trey Lance but if they choose Mac then so be it. I wanted him at 12 anyways. I think it would be a big mistake but racism doesnt have anything to do with it.
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04-28-2021, 09:57 AM
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Agreed. I'm about to get rid of twitter too. To much liberal outrage. I want Justin Fields or Trey Lance but if they choose Mac then so be it. I wanted him at 12 anyways. I think it would be a big mistake but racism doesnt have anything to do with it.
Idk bro you don’t think with Shanahan and Lynch making a career defining decision, after they’ve given out massive contracts to multiple black people, coach mostly black people, have other black people in their front office and coaching staff…that maybe they’re going to decide this later based off of these guys skin tones?
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Matty lite is the right pick at #3…but meeting with Lances parents, and the respect for Trey lance for banging colin cowherds hot daughter makes me think he's their guy. The plan will be to sit him until lil jimmy embarrasses the team again, and the fans implode.
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Matty lite is the right pick at #3…but meeting with Lances parents, and the respect for Trey lance for banging colin cowherds hot daughter makes me think he's their guy. The plan will be to sit him until lil jimmy embarrasses the team again, and the fans implode.
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04-29-2021, 06:12 AM
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The WORST thing in the world is listening to liberal 49er fans who think Shanahan is a racist for preferring Mac Jones and thinking they know more about Shanahan's Offense than Shanny himself lol. LOL @ these "experts" who don't want Shanny to pick HIS guy after RG3 and Jimmy G were thrust upon him and put reputation in danger.
I don't give a fuk about Jones' opinions or the fact that he's white. What I care about is the trade compensation and who else is available.

Mac Jones is not a better PROSPECT than Tua and he sure as hell isn't a better prospect than Justin Fields.

Yes Kyle Shanahan knows more about his scheme than me or anyone else out there. It doesn't mean he should trade all that to take a guy like Mac Jones.

Are we forgetting the fact that Kyle was looking at Kirk Cousins to be our QB and passed on guys like Mahomes/Watson? Are we ignoring the reports that we were looking to trade for Watson before his off the field stuff blew up?

I refuse to believe Kyle is that blind to what's happening with the league that he's willing to overlook a guy like Fields or even Lance and select Jones because he's a better "fit" in his scheme.

What makes Jones a better fit for this offense? People acting like this kid is Tom Brady. He's a solid QB, I'm not going to diminish what he did but there are legit concerns with him.

Accuracy - excellent when he has a clean pocket. When he has to move his accuracy takes a big hit and i'm not talking completion %. His WRs were so wide open most of the time that he could throw ducks and his guys still caught them. But no question if he's got time his mechanics are top notch and he's got excellent ball placement.

Pro offense readiness - I'm not seeing it. He took less snaps under center than Justin Fields. Certainly way less than Trey Lance who had more than all the top guys(Lawrence took 0 snaps under center) Alabama certainly ran plenty of pro style concepts but it was still an offense filled with RPOs and easy reads to wide open players that help numbers pile up. Fields on the other hand ran a much tougher offense in terms of execution with tons of option routes and big plays that needed time to develop.

His processing - he knows how to read a defense well, no question. Issue I have is he's also the most senior QB in the top 5. Lawrence, Wilson, Fields, Lance are 3 year guys. Jones was at Bama for 4 years. Continuity at one school helps. You get the chemistry with the receivers, same page as the coaches, you know the flow of the school, how the classes go and as a backup it's much easier to spend time working on the mental part of the game. The other issue I have is how open his looks were, how good his protection was. How do those reads work in the NFL when guys aren't as wide open? How do they go when his OL isn't the best in the land?

I just pray the whole Mac Jones to us thing is a big national media troll job. If he's the pick I'll hope I'm wrong about him and support him but I just don't get it. This type of player just shouldn't get drafted this high, let alone after this type of trade. If we're making the move from Jimmy why would you settle on a guy who MAY just be slightly better?

Fields to me is clearly the superior player for the NFL. Only way I'm taking Lance over Fields is if football IQ wise he's head and shoulders above Fields and that info I obviously don't have.

We'll see what happens in about 12 hours. I just hope it's Fields or Lance who is our guy.
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04-29-2021, 07:39 AM
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How was Tua a better prospect? The fact that Bama’s offense got significantly better after Mac took over, despite losing Jeudy and Ruggs, is something people seem to ignore.

If you’re talking traits, the only thing I’d give Tua an edge on is his mobility, and even Tua’s mobility isn’t great. Mac is bigger, no injury history, just as accurate if not more. Better in the pocket. Better deep ball. He’s much more of a leader. Everybody says Tua is a quiet guy while Mac Jones is called an alpha. Waddle and Devonta Smith didn’t even hesitate in saying they’d take Mac over Tua.

I was a fan of Tua coming out, but I have no idea why he was beloved and Mac is ridiculed.
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How was Tua a better prospect? The fact that Bama’s offense got significantly better after Mac took over, despite losing Jeudy and Ruggs, is something people seem to ignore.

If you’re talking traits, the only thing I’d give Tua an edge on is his mobility, and even Tua’s mobility isn’t great. Mac is bigger, no injury history, just as accurate if not more. Better in the pocket. Better deep ball. He’s much more of a leader. Everybody says Tua is a quiet guy while Mac Jones is called an alpha. Waddle and Devonta Smith didn’t even hesitate in saying they’d take Mac over Tua.

I was a fan of Tua coming out, but I have no idea why he was beloved and Mac is ridiculed.
Tua was pretty much hyped up as a sure top 5 pick since the day he stepped in as a freshmen to win that National Championship game.

Mac Jones wasn't event he for sure projected starter heading into last season if I recall, so I think that factors into comparing them as prospects. Knocks I've heard on Mac are arm strength and he isn't a good athlete.
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Didn’t read the walls of text but Tua was not a better pro prospect than Mac. Coming off a career of injuries that ended with a broken hip.
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The
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for Aaron Rodgers. The Packers turned them down.
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The
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for Aaron Rodgers. The Packers turned them down.
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04-29-2021, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted By jwtiger69
I am not sure I believe that… That is pretty insane IMO.
Yeah I dont know about that. I would think the Packers would maybe take it considering they drafted Love last year. Deep down that GM wants to move on from Rodgers or else he wouldnt have wasted last years first on a QB when they had holes elsewhere.

I'd be curious who those other players were if this was true.
LOL @ people who follow politics
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