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04-29-2021, 09:28 AM
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Honestly, the packers maybe should consider that. Rodgers ending his career back in California would be a pretty good story book ending too.
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04-29-2021, 09:53 AM
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The
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for Aaron Rodgers. The Packers turned them down.
First reported by
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Just to give you some context/background on this guy, he is the sports "shock jock" in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. He is also the play-by-play radio guy for Vikings games. i.e. an idiot. I wouldn't put any stock into something reported by him. Also, think of how much is left up to interpretation with saying something like "plus other picks and a number of players from their current roster". It could mean 3 first rounders and Nick Bosa/other star players OR some late round picks and a bunch of backups. Ridiculous.
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04-29-2021, 09:56 AM
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How was Tua a better prospect? The fact that Bama’s offense got significantly better after Mac took over, despite losing Jeudy and Ruggs, is something people seem to ignore.

If you’re talking traits, the only thing I’d give Tua an edge on is his mobility, and even Tua’s mobility isn’t great. Mac is bigger, no injury history, just as accurate if not more. Better in the pocket. Better deep ball. He’s much more of a leader. Everybody says Tua is a quiet guy while Mac Jones is called an alpha. Waddle and Devonta Smith didn’t even hesitate in saying they’d take Mac over Tua.

I was a fan of Tua coming out, but I have no idea why he was beloved and Mac is ridiculed.
NFL teams don't draft based on college stats.

Tua was a better prospect because he had better tools, tools that translate more to NFL success.

Mac Jones is a good QB, he's someone who plays very well if surrounded by talent. Issue with taking him at #3 overall and trading so much for him is when you have to pay him and the roster isn't as good as it is now his play won't raise the bar.

Look at the QBs who have gotten paid big on their 2nd contracts with limited tools - Goff, Jimmy G.

Eventually they showed that they were limited by their physical tools and could only do so much. Rams basically overpaid to get rid of Goff. We're paying a premium to draft Jimmy's replacement.

Jones is limited. He would play well on this roster right now because we have a talented offense and good coaching. We're not drafting him just for his rookie contract. You better get a guy who can develop into a weapon teams fear even if the roster around him isn't stacked.

Waddle and Smith backing Jones…when all 3 are going into the draft the same year isn't anything special. Hell the fact that Tua struggled should be a red flag for people looking at Jones.

Look at Jones' numbers throwing into guys who aren't wide open. Look at his accuracy when he gets flushed out of the pocket.
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04-29-2021, 10:01 AM
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Didn’t read the walls of text but Tua was not a better pro prospect than Mac. Coming off a career of injuries that ended with a broken hip.
Nick Bosa was coming off injuries. I guess he was a worse prospect than Clelin Ferrell? Injuries aren't part of evaluation of a prospect in terms of talent assessment.

Prospects are graded out based on film, tools/natural ability/size and projection to the NFL.
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04-29-2021, 10:35 AM
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NFL teams don't draft based on college stats.

Tua was a better prospect because he had better tools, tools that translate more to NFL success.

Mac Jones is a good QB, he's someone who plays very well if surrounded by talent. Issue with taking him at #3 overall and trading so much for him is when you have to pay him and the roster isn't as good as it is now his play won't raise the bar.

Look at the QBs who have gotten paid big on their 2nd contracts with limited tools - Goff, Jimmy G.

Eventually they showed that they were limited by their physical tools and could only do so much. Rams basically overpaid to get rid of Goff. We're paying a premium to draft Jimmy's replacement.

Jones is limited. He would play well on this roster right now because we have a talented offense and good coaching. We're not drafting him just for his rookie contract. You better get a guy who can develop into a weapon teams fear even if the roster around him isn't stacked.

Waddle and Smith backing Jones…when all 3 are going into the draft the same year isn't anything special. Hell the fact that Tua struggled should be a red flag for people looking at Jones.

Look at Jones' numbers throwing into guys who aren't wide open. Look at his accuracy when he gets flushed out of the pocket.
Which tools? Which tools does Tua have that Mac doesn’t have besides mobility?
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04-29-2021, 10:42 AM
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Which tools? Which tools does Tua have that Mac doesn’t have besides mobility?
Mac is taller, better arm, better accuracy. Neither of them are running anywhere in the NFL lol
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04-29-2021, 10:46 AM
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Mac is taller, better arm, better accuracy. Neither of them are running anywhere in the NFL lol
Yeah, I can’t believe Mac gets hated on like this. Everybody’s favorite thing by far about Tua was his anticipation and accuracy. Mac is just as good if not better than that.

Tua was a good prospect but he lived off of that national championship game coming in and winning it for Bama. He was the best QB Bama had ever had (until Mac) and he became beloved for those reasons. Probably that and being a lefty.
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04-29-2021, 10:51 AM
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04-29-2021, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
Which tools? Which tools does Tua have that Mac doesn’t have besides mobility?
Mac is better in almost every way except for athleticism.
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04-29-2021, 11:07 AM
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https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-d...vLiqQKlpD-Re6U

By far the best deeply analyzed article on why to pick Fields over McCorkle. Video evidence all included.
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04-29-2021, 11:19 AM
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Mac is better in almost every way except for athleticism.
Agreed. And Mac has underrated athleticism.
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04-29-2021, 11:27 AM
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Agreed. And Mac has underrated athleticism.
Watch the videos listed above and say that realistically.
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04-29-2021, 12:10 PM
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Watch the videos listed above and say that realistically.
I’ve watched every play from Mac’s career.

I didn’t say he has good athleticism, I said underrated. 49ers fans repeatedly call him a “statue”





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04-29-2021, 12:14 PM
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2:03 is another good example of his underrated athleticism.

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04-29-2021, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
I’ve watched every play from Mac’s career.

I didn’t say he has good athleticism, I said underrated. 49ers fans repeatedly call him a “statue”





Probably because he has 42 career rushing yards? If in 3 years you can’t run for more than 50 yards what else are you supposed to be called? Now you’re gonna go against Watt, Donald, Chandler Jones, Suh, etc in our own division and we’re supposed to be excited about that? Come on now.
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04-29-2021, 12:24 PM
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Which tools? Which tools does Tua have that Mac doesn’t have besides mobility?
wtf we doing here? Revisionist history much?

Tua is easily a more physically talented player.

There's a reason Tua was a much more highly recruited player out of HS. There was a reason Mac sat behind him.

Not to mention Tua showed more. Mac had one game where he even had a deficit late in the game. They lost that game, not all his fault cuz they missed the game tying FG late but he also threw 2 pick 6s in that game.

Tua showed clutch as a true freshman coming in cold to win the NC game vs a higher ranked Georgia. It wasn't much but it was something we could actually look at.

Tua has the bigger arm and more mobile. Those alone make him a better prospect. If you're comparing their numbers that has nothing to do with their NFL futures.

Mac Jones isn't terrible but there are lots of unknowns with him. Pretending otherwise because the 49ers may take him is stupid.

MAYBE he answers those questions but fact remains guys with his type of skillset are not drafted top 3 and they're certainly not selected top 3(Tua went 5th) after a team gives up as much as we did…i sure as **** hope we're not the first team to do it.
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04-29-2021, 12:26 PM
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2:03 is another good example of his underrated athleticism.

Dude…i can show you Brady juking Brian Urlacher. We gonna pretend Brady is underrated athletically? I can show you Jimmy doing sh*t like that too.

If we're upgrading from Jimmy then let's ****ing upgrade. Not reduce salary and take a guy who may be slightly better.
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04-29-2021, 12:44 PM
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Probably because he has 42 career rushing yards? If in 3 years you can’t run for more than 50 yards what else are you supposed to be called? Now you’re gonna go against Watt, Donald, Chandler Jones, Suh, etc in our own division and we’re supposed to be excited about that? Come on now.
Why would he need to run when he can execute an offense and throw dimes. The ability to move is there, he’s just so damn good in the pocket.
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04-29-2021, 12:47 PM
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wtf we doing here? Revisionist history much?

Tua is easily a more physically talented player.

There's a reason Tua was a much more highly recruited player out of HS. There was a reason Mac sat behind him.

Not to mention Tua showed more. Mac had one game where he even had a deficit late in the game. They lost that game, not all his fault cuz they missed the game tying FG late but he also threw 2 pick 6s in that game.

Tua showed clutch as a true freshman coming in cold to win the NC game vs a higher ranked Georgia. It wasn't much but it was something we could actually look at.

Tua has the bigger arm and more mobile. Those alone make him a better prospect. If you're comparing their numbers that has nothing to do with their NFL futures.

Mac Jones isn't terrible but there are lots of unknowns with him. Pretending otherwise because the 49ers may take him is stupid.

MAYBE he answers those questions but fact remains guys with his type of skillset are not drafted top 3 and they're certainly not selected top 3(Tua went 5th) after a team gives up as much as we did…i sure as **** hope we're not the first team to do it.
That’s an insanely bad take. That alone? Well ****, I guess Deshon Kizer was a better prospect than Joe Burrow by that logic.
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04-29-2021, 01:37 PM
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That’s an insanely bad take. That alone? Well ****, I guess Deshon Kizer was a better prospect than Joe Burrow by that logic.
In context of Tua vs Mac…not generalized.

Both played in that offense, both put up great numbers. Both had good accuracy and won a ton.

So yes, Tua's arm talent and athletic ability made him a better prospect. Let's not get ridiculous here.
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04-29-2021, 01:43 PM
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Why would he need to run when he can execute an offense and throw dimes. The ability to move is there, he’s just so damn good in the pocket.
Because in the NFL he's not guaranteed to have the best pass pro in the country. There will be times where he's pressured often and will need to make throws into tight windows and on the move. He didn't have a lot of film of him doing that because his team was that good vs everyone else. When he did do it, it didn't look nearly as good as when he had a clean pocket.

That's why you don't draft him at 3.
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04-29-2021, 01:51 PM
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What are the chances at getting Rodgers???
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04-29-2021, 01:58 PM
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What are the chances at getting Rodgers???
If the relationship is as bad as some people like Trey Wingo are making it seem, I think there are very good chances that something happens tonight. SF is probably in the pole position.
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If the relationship is as bad as some people like Trey Wingo are making it seem, I think there are very good chances that something happens tonight. SF is probably in the pole position.
This is going to be an exciting draft day
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04-29-2021, 02:00 PM
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The way Niner fans are bashing Mac Jones is ridiculous. He probably has the best film of all the QBs aside from Lawrence. Part of me thinks Niner fans don't like him because he's a white conservative from the south.
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SF is probably in the pole position.
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04-29-2021, 02:06 PM
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In context of Tua vs Mac…not generalized.

Both played in that offense, both put up great numbers. Both had good accuracy and won a ton.

So yes, Tua's arm talent and athletic ability made him a better prospect. Let's not get ridiculous here.
I object to the arm talent argument. Mac’s arm is just as strong as Tua’s.

And Mac’s year was one of the best of all time. Way better than Tua’s best year.
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The way Niner fans are bashing Mac Jones is ridiculous. He probably has the best film of all the QBs aside from Lawrence. Part of me thinks Niner fans don't like him because he's a white conservative from the south.
Imagine being so handcuffed by one's politics and beliefs that something like that would keep oneself from making the right choice. So ridiculous.
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Imagine being so handcuffed by one's politics and beliefs that something like that would keep oneself from making the right choice. So ridiculous.
Niner fans are already calling him MAGA Mac lol, so freaking dumb.
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Niner fans are already calling him MAGA Mac lol, so freaking dumb.
Hnnnnnghhhhhhhhhhh.
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