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11-08-2021, 08:50 PM
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Welp we are 3-5 and once again at the bottom of the division. Destroyed by colt mccoy
So who's our new head coach going to be?
So who's our new head coach going to be?
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11-09-2021, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
It's going to be Kyle Shanahan unless we really want to make it tough for Trey Lance to be a success.
Welp we are 3-5 and once again at the bottom of the division. Destroyed by colt mccoy
So who's our new head coach going to be?
So who's our new head coach going to be?
However Shanahan needs to have some of his power taken away. Too many early picks sitting on the bench in a season where our talent isn't as good as many believed it to be.
That loss was straight embarrassing. Shanahan needs to realize this isn't a playoff team and let the young guys play. Just look at Justin Fields and the steps he's taking actually getting game experience…and Justin is a lot more experienced than Trey is.
Last thing we need is to have Trey learning the ropes next season. Jordan Love sat for a year and a half and looked like **** vs an inferior KC defense. Sitting doesn't guarantee success.
Trey needs to play, the young guys who we're going to build around need to play with Trey.
I fully expect to get our asses handed to us by the Rams next Monday night, especially with the change at RT and them adding Von Miller to their defense. ****…Shanahan may not have an option to keep Trey out cuz I'm not sure Garoppolo will get out of that game intact.
11-09-2021, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted By BigDeeps01⏩
Kyle. And Lance needs to play now.
Welp we are 3-5 and once again at the bottom of the division. Destroyed by colt mccoy
So who's our new head coach going to be?
So who's our new head coach going to be?
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11-09-2021, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
Agree with a lot of this. I think Kyle should get another year but something needs to happen with how much power he has. They need to take a hard look in the mirror regrading their early draft selections too. They are golden in rounds 4-7 but stink it rounds 1-3. The Trey Sermon pick was the icing on the cake for me. I get the Banks pick but Creed Humphry was there and they passed for Banks. Hopefully he just needs time but a 3-5 team cant afford that luxury especially when the guy in front of you is a revolving door.
It's going to be Kyle Shanahan unless we really want to make it tough for Trey Lance to be a success.
However Shanahan needs to have some of his power taken away. Too many early picks sitting on the bench in a season where our talent isn't as good as many believed it to be.
That loss was straight embarrassing. Shanahan needs to realize this isn't a playoff team and let the young guys play. Just look at Justin Fields and the steps he's taking actually getting game experience…and Justin is a lot more experienced than Trey is.
Last thing we need is to have Trey learning the ropes next season. Jordan Love sat for a year and a half and looked like **** vs an inferior KC defense. Sitting doesn't guarantee success.
Trey needs to play, the young guys who we're going to build around need to play with Trey.
I fully expect to get our asses handed to us by the Rams next Monday night, especially with the change at RT and them adding Von Miller to their defense. ****…Shanahan may not have an option to keep Trey out cuz I'm not sure Garoppolo will get out of that game intact.
However Shanahan needs to have some of his power taken away. Too many early picks sitting on the bench in a season where our talent isn't as good as many believed it to be.
That loss was straight embarrassing. Shanahan needs to realize this isn't a playoff team and let the young guys play. Just look at Justin Fields and the steps he's taking actually getting game experience…and Justin is a lot more experienced than Trey is.
Last thing we need is to have Trey learning the ropes next season. Jordan Love sat for a year and a half and looked like **** vs an inferior KC defense. Sitting doesn't guarantee success.
Trey needs to play, the young guys who we're going to build around need to play with Trey.
I fully expect to get our asses handed to us by the Rams next Monday night, especially with the change at RT and them adding Von Miller to their defense. ****…Shanahan may not have an option to keep Trey out cuz I'm not sure Garoppolo will get out of that game intact.
I'm on the fence on Trey playing right now. I personally think he isnt ready enough for Kyle to be comfortable with and if Kyle is just going to call QB power runs all the time then we are screwed.
This season is weird to me. At first the offense wasn't clicking and the defense carried the team and now the last 2 weeks the offense is clicking and the defense isnt. They find a new way to lose every week. The offense moved the ball pretty much at will against the Cards but fumbled twice in scoring position. Then the defense couldnt stop a bunch of backups. Every week its something new.
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11-09-2021, 06:06 PM
#7385
Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
Warner, Bosa, Deebo are all in the first 3 round, FYI
Agree with a lot of this. I think Kyle should get another year but something needs to happen with how much power he has. They need to take a hard look in the mirror regrading their early draft selections too. They are golden in rounds 4-7 but stink it rounds 1-3. The Trey Sermon pick was the icing on the cake for me. I get the Banks pick but Creed Humphry was there and they passed for Banks. Hopefully he just needs time but a 3-5 team cant afford that luxury especially when the guy in front of you is a revolving door.
I'm on the fence on Trey playing right now. I personally think he isnt ready enough for Kyle to be comfortable with and if Kyle is just going to call QB power runs all the time then we are screwed.
This season is weird to me. At first the offense wasn't clicking and the defense carried the team and now the last 2 weeks the offense is clicking and the defense isnt. They find a new way to lose every week. The offense moved the ball pretty much at will against the Cards but fumbled twice in scoring position. Then the defense couldnt stop a bunch of backups. Every week its something new.
I'm on the fence on Trey playing right now. I personally think he isnt ready enough for Kyle to be comfortable with and if Kyle is just going to call QB power runs all the time then we are screwed.
This season is weird to me. At first the offense wasn't clicking and the defense carried the team and now the last 2 weeks the offense is clicking and the defense isnt. They find a new way to lose every week. The offense moved the ball pretty much at will against the Cards but fumbled twice in scoring position. Then the defense couldnt stop a bunch of backups. Every week its something new.
11-10-2021, 09:33 AM
#7386
Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
IMO Trey showed he's ready to play now vs Arizona. It wasn't the cleanest game by a wide margin but it was on the road vs a pretty good defense even if they were missing a couple of guys. Plus we put him out there with a less than ideal game plan and we still moved the ball on them fairly consistently…just failed to execute on 4th down and in the redzone but there were issues with blocking, drops and yes…some bad throws by Trey.
Agree with a lot of this. I think Kyle should get another year but something needs to happen with how much power he has. They need to take a hard look in the mirror regrading their early draft selections too. They are golden in rounds 4-7 but stink it rounds 1-3. The Trey Sermon pick was the icing on the cake for me. I get the Banks pick but Creed Humphry was there and they passed for Banks. Hopefully he just needs time but a 3-5 team cant afford that luxury especially when the guy in front of you is a revolving door.
I'm on the fence on Trey playing right now. I personally think he isnt ready enough for Kyle to be comfortable with and if Kyle is just going to call QB power runs all the time then we are screwed.
This season is weird to me. At first the offense wasn't clicking and the defense carried the team and now the last 2 weeks the offense is clicking and the defense isnt. They find a new way to lose every week. The offense moved the ball pretty much at will against the Cards but fumbled twice in scoring position. Then the defense couldnt stop a bunch of backups. Every week its something new.
I'm on the fence on Trey playing right now. I personally think he isnt ready enough for Kyle to be comfortable with and if Kyle is just going to call QB power runs all the time then we are screwed.
This season is weird to me. At first the offense wasn't clicking and the defense carried the team and now the last 2 weeks the offense is clicking and the defense isnt. They find a new way to lose every week. The offense moved the ball pretty much at will against the Cards but fumbled twice in scoring position. Then the defense couldnt stop a bunch of backups. Every week its something new.
But look no further than Justin Fields - kid looked awful in some games this year and he comes into the league with a lot more big game experience than Trey and better accuracy.
And yeah the draft picks have been surprising in the early rounds. I wanted Fields more but was happy with Lance in the first round. Banks and Sermon picks were very meh for me but I bought into them because it was the team trying to protect their young QB. Guy I wanted bad was Azeez Ojulari. He would've been really nice to have right now on the other side of Bosa. I just wasn't a fan of RB early cuz Kyle seems to get production from late rounders and UDFAs…just look at Mitchell.
Banks, Sermon and Thomas better turn their game up next year. We need all 3 to really contribute(Sermon is offset by Mitchell but we're short on RBs next year which is likley why we double dipped)
Some of the misses in the 2nd/3rd rounds are just bad luck though. Jalen Hurd looked great before his injury rookie year. Who knows what happens with him if he didn't get hurt vs Dallas. He was the camp standout before that injury and everyone was drooling about finally getting a big body WR after his first preseason game. I just don't know if he ever sees the field for us. 3 years and 0 snaps? Hard to come back from mentally let alone physically.
11-10-2021, 09:53 AM
#7387
Originally Posted By dyee4613⏩
Warner, Bosa, Deebo are all in the first 3 round, FYI
Here are the 1st-3rd round picks by this regime
2017:
1. Solomon Thomas - bust off the team(under performance)
1b. Reuben Foster - bust off the team (off the field/health issues)
3. Ahkello Witherspoon
2018:
1. Mike McGlinchey
2. Dante Pettis - bust off the team
3. Fred Warner - major hit
3b. Tarvarious Moore - depth
2019:
1. Nick Bosa - major hit
2. Deebo Samuel - hit
3. Jalen Hurd - injury bust
2020:
1. Kinlaw - TBD trending down
1b. Aiyuk - TBD trending up
2021:
1. Lance
2. Banks
3. Sermon
3b. Thomas
Really looking at them again it's not THAT bad. Clearly 2017 was the biggest WTF as both first round picks were busts and neither is on the team anymore to contribute in any way. The fact that we had a chance at players like Mahomes, Watson, TJ Watt, Mrashon Lattimore, Marlon Humphrey, Tre'Davious White is a serious kick in the junk.
Obviously Kinlaw is the big question mark now with his injuries. I do think he can be a good player if the knee heals properly but who knows how that will go when we're watching Jalen Hurd unable to come back healthy and Dee Ford come back only to be out again.
My biggest issue is that we don't seem to value picks or when Kyle falls in love with a player we abandon the board to go get his guy, even if they could possibly be had later on. It's one thing if those picks work out but when you get Dante Pettis and then Jalen Hurd taking key picks and then doing sh*t all…it hurts.
I don't know if they drafted Banks/Sermon/Thomas more in mind for 2022 season and beyond but if that's the case obviously we overrated how good our roster was.
11-11-2021, 09:19 AM
#7388
Good teams hit on 50% of their draft picks in the first 3 rounds. We are just below that # if you grade drafts 2017-2019.
I hated the 2018 draft. In fact now that i think about it we used a similar strategy when we traded away Buckner and drafted his replacement. If you remember we had Trent Brown who was a good player. He might not have fit the scheme well but he wasn't a liability and we traded him away just to spend a higher pick and reach for McClinchey. Minkah Fitzpatrick and Derwin James was sitting there and both were viewed as top 10 picks. Then the Dante Pettis pick was baffling. So many good WRs were viewed as better and we passed them up. He did come in and show he belonged but for whatever reason he ended up in Kyle's doghouse. Still dont know why we didnt use him as a returner more since he was awesome in college doing that.
The 49ers are below average in drafting rounds 1-3 but are great at drafting rounds 4-7. I guess thats why i dont really mind giving up all those picks for Trey Lance bc we'd probably waste them anyways.
I hated the 2018 draft. In fact now that i think about it we used a similar strategy when we traded away Buckner and drafted his replacement. If you remember we had Trent Brown who was a good player. He might not have fit the scheme well but he wasn't a liability and we traded him away just to spend a higher pick and reach for McClinchey. Minkah Fitzpatrick and Derwin James was sitting there and both were viewed as top 10 picks. Then the Dante Pettis pick was baffling. So many good WRs were viewed as better and we passed them up. He did come in and show he belonged but for whatever reason he ended up in Kyle's doghouse. Still dont know why we didnt use him as a returner more since he was awesome in college doing that.
The 49ers are below average in drafting rounds 1-3 but are great at drafting rounds 4-7. I guess thats why i dont really mind giving up all those picks for Trey Lance bc we'd probably waste them anyways.
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11-14-2021, 07:34 AM
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They have run out of answers, oh boy we are screwed…. 33% 3rd down conversion rate
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11-14-2021, 12:16 PM
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gonna lol so hard if we still somehow beat the rams
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11-14-2021, 12:26 PM
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Mac Jones was the pick.
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11-15-2021, 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted By blinkers88⏩
Ravens lose to Miami, Washington beats Tampa Bay, I guess this week it is a possibility.
gonna lol so hard if we still somehow beat the rams
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11-15-2021, 09:59 AM
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Remember when we wanted Harold Landry and they took McGlinchey instead? And then Landry slid to the second round and we thought the NFL knew something we didn’t?
Landry has 10 sacks this season.
Landry has 10 sacks this season.
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11-15-2021, 10:41 AM
#7394
So did the FO not pick MAGA Jones because they got pressured out of it or was Lance really the target? Also, if MAGA Jones turns out to be great, I want every 49er fan who didn't want him for political reasons to eat sh!t.
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11-15-2021, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
… Mac jones
Says who?
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11-15-2021, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
Yeah i wanted Landry in that draft. I hated the McGlinchey pick.
Remember when we wanted Harold Landry and they took McGlinchey instead? And then Landry slid to the second round and we thought the NFL knew something we didn’t?
Landry has 10 sacks this season.
Landry has 10 sacks this season.
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11-15-2021, 12:30 PM
#7397
Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
I think they would have drafted him if they stayed at 12. But you dont trade up that far for a guy like Mac Jones.
So did the FO not pick MAGA Jones because they got pressured out of it or was Lance really the target? Also, if MAGA Jones turns out to be great, I want every 49er fan who didn't want him for political reasons to eat sh!t.
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11-15-2021, 05:39 PM
#7398
Originally Posted By Miked1978⏩
This is not the hill you want to die on. The 49ers have been one of the better teams when it comes to the draft. Some of the busts like Foster and Hurd looked like they would have been really good players, too. That's why they have a stacked roster which is why I don't think anyone (although iam tries) can defend that god awful Lance move.
Good teams hit on 50% of their draft picks in the first 3 rounds. We are just below that # if you grade drafts 2017-2019.
I hated the 2018 draft. In fact now that i think about it we used a similar strategy when we traded away Buckner and drafted his replacement. If you remember we had Trent Brown who was a good player. He might not have fit the scheme well but he wasn't a liability and we traded him away just to spend a higher pick and reach for McClinchey. Minkah Fitzpatrick and Derwin James was sitting there and both were viewed as top 10 picks. Then the Dante Pettis pick was baffling. So many good WRs were viewed as better and we passed them up. He did come in and show he belonged but for whatever reason he ended up in Kyle's doghouse. Still dont know why we didnt use him as a returner more since he was awesome in college doing that.
The 49ers are below average in drafting rounds 1-3 but are great at drafting rounds 4-7. I guess thats why i dont really mind giving up all those picks for Trey Lance bc we'd probably waste them anyways.
I hated the 2018 draft. In fact now that i think about it we used a similar strategy when we traded away Buckner and drafted his replacement. If you remember we had Trent Brown who was a good player. He might not have fit the scheme well but he wasn't a liability and we traded him away just to spend a higher pick and reach for McClinchey. Minkah Fitzpatrick and Derwin James was sitting there and both were viewed as top 10 picks. Then the Dante Pettis pick was baffling. So many good WRs were viewed as better and we passed them up. He did come in and show he belonged but for whatever reason he ended up in Kyle's doghouse. Still dont know why we didnt use him as a returner more since he was awesome in college doing that.
The 49ers are below average in drafting rounds 1-3 but are great at drafting rounds 4-7. I guess thats why i dont really mind giving up all those picks for Trey Lance bc we'd probably waste them anyways.
Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
Come on…the Trey Lance pick is because our front office was stupid. It wasn't some political nonsense. It was very clear Kyle wanted a mobile QB like Fields or Lance
So did the FO not pick MAGA Jones because they got pressured out of it or was Lance really the target? Also, if MAGA Jones turns out to be great, I want every 49er fan who didn't want him for political reasons to eat sh!t.
11-15-2021, 07:39 PM
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Wow, if there wouldn’t have been PI, that anoose catch would go down as THE greatest interception of all time.
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11-15-2021, 07:49 PM
#7400
Originally Posted By chino3⏩
"The Butt Catch"
Wow, if there wouldn’t have been PI, that anoose catch would go down as THE greatest interception of all time.
11-15-2021, 10:18 PM
#7401
Lol @ the rams just lol. Jimmy is actually looking good. solid 3 games in a row now
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11-16-2021, 07:10 AM
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Happy for the win. But still honestly not happy with Kyle. We were moving the ball then Kyle went straight conservative at the end. He needs to go for the kill…..
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11-16-2021, 10:16 AM
#7403
Now if that team would show up for every game they would have a winning record.
11-16-2021, 07:27 PM
#7404
Originally Posted By jwtiger69⏩
stfu. You know he has a bottom half of the league QB right?
Happy for the win. But still honestly not happy with Kyle. We were moving the ball then Kyle went straight conservative at the end. He needs to go for the kill…..
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11-16-2021, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By shmobin⏩
They won't, that's the issue. We always have the Rams number
Now if that team would show up for every game they would have a winning record.
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11-17-2021, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted By ghostfacedup⏩
stfu. You know he has a bottom half of the league QB right?
You can kiss my ass. Don’t tell me to shut the f up.
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11-17-2021, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted By ghostfacedup⏩
Mac had his best game by a long shot but people are backtracking hard af on Jones.
Mac Jones was the pick.
Back in April everyone laughed at the idea of him going #3 overall. The only people in the media who didn't HATE that were ones who claimed he was the perfect Kyle Shanahan pick and even the bulk of those people still had him graded in the 20s or lower.
Now everyone wants to suck his dick and act like he's Tom Brady. Kid is playing very well - in a great scheme and on a team that's putting it together with a great running game and defense.
This Cleveland game was probably the first time this year he made a bunch of contested throws that were actually successful. There is still a ton of open looks and easy throws for him the bulk of his career so far. Now no question he gets credit for making the right reads and all that but calm down on him being The One!
Mac Jones is 2 years older than Trey Lance. They are not comparable right now and draft picks aren't made for the rookie season.
Everyone was raving about Baker Mayfield as a rookie while people questioned why the Bills took Josh Allen and others laughed at Lamar Jackson's awful accuracy. Who do you think is happier with their QB today? Cleveland or Buffalo/Baltimore?
Now it's possible 5 years from now that we should've gone with Mac Jones. And certainly you can make the claim that Mac Jones at our original pick would've been better than trading up to draft Trey. But right now we have no real idea what Trey will be. If Lance turns into a QB similar to Josh Allen nobody will be upset with the pick.
11-17-2021, 07:39 AM
#7408
Originally Posted By Evolutionary1⏩
See post above.
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11-17-2021, 07:46 AM
#7409
Originally Posted By dyee4613⏩
lol Lance is 21 years old dude. Find me a QB who at 21 was a finished product?
This is not the hill you want to die on. The 49ers have been one of the better teams when it comes to the draft. Some of the busts like Foster and Hurd looked like they would have been really good players, too. That's why they have a stacked roster which is why I don't think anyone (although iam tries) can defend that god awful Lance move.
Come on…the Trey Lance pick is because our front office was stupid. It wasn't some political nonsense. It was very clear Kyle wanted a mobile QB like Fields or Lance
Come on…the Trey Lance pick is because our front office was stupid. It wasn't some political nonsense. It was very clear Kyle wanted a mobile QB like Fields or Lance
Was Mahomes an awful pick by the Chiefs because he didn't play as a rookie until week 17? There were several teams who had Lance graded high. Atlanta was going Lance by all accounts before we moved up in front of them. Denver liked him a lot.
There's a reason for that. Doesn't mean we or those other teams were right but considering Trey hasn't had a chance to be out there and play/develop the "god awful Lance move" is far from that at this point.
Fans in general have terrible patience when it comes to high draft picks but you gotta deal with it. There have been plenty of recent examples of guys who needed time but had all the tools. We'll see if Lance joins their ranks or ends up being another high potential bust who never comes close to what he was supposed to be.
11-17-2021, 07:53 AM
#7410
Originally Posted By jwtiger69⏩
Happy for the win. But still honestly not happy with Kyle. We were moving the ball then Kyle went straight conservative at the end. He needs to go for the kill…..
bro wut?
We went for the kill on 4th and 6 with a little over 11 minutes left in the game up 24 to 7. Kyle had his best game coaching since the GB NFC Championship game. Only questionable call was the one playaction pass where we attacked Jalen Ramsey with Jauan Jennings. That was a real head scratcher but even that if Jimmy makes a better throw it may be a catch.
We need this team to wake the fuk up and stop playing up/down to competition. Honestly the way this season has gone I wouldn't be shocked if we lose to the Jags buying our own hype after the other day.
Also Shanahan needs to take a damn fine and call out the refs for the absurd no calls on Bosa. Dude getting held almost every snap and not even iffy holding, full blown headlock type ****. Only time he draws the flag is when he actually gets the sack anyways. And our pass rush overall needs to step the **** up. Bosa can't do it all on his own especially with all the double teams and holding going his way.
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