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Damn dude you're infuriating. I'm pretty much sticking to only this thread and still have to write books about the past.

You're claiming something is a lie while making pure speculation about Buckner willing to take a structure of a deal he did NOT take. Someone saying they would take less after taking more doesn't prove a damn thing.

I'm going to trust a team that understands the cap and what they have to do to stay under the cap while keeping what they consider the best team possible. If you want to believe what people said after the fact or friggin Jack Hammer, a Grant Cohn wannabe who wants to ignore critical information to push his point across…that says more about you.


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Once again…the team decided they were better off trading him. That says they felt they could easier replace his production with the added resources vs building around him. And considering how well loved he was and how consistent he was there must've been a reason for it. It's also hilarious how you claim it's harder to produce at DT than DE. Maybe as a pass rusher and I could easily argue that's not always the case since inside you can't be chipped and have a direct line to the QB where he can't easily step up. If Buckner was as amazing as you claim then why was our defense overall so meh when he was the main guy on there? Surely a player like that should elevate the defense as a whole right? Those are the guys you spend huge money on.

However if the main point of your 3T is to push the pocket and hold up some double teams while other guys can get pressure…then maybe spending top 2 DT money isn't worth the investment? Especially when you have all these other top tier players who need new deals?

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You can't even keep up with your own argument. You claim the Colts gave him his deal structured that way because they had a ton of cap space with more money up front and then claim the 49ers could've given him the same deal? No…they couldn't.

And the 49ers pushing money down the road for a DT when they knew they had Kittle, Warner, Bosa, Deebo and Trent Williams to pay, while also trying to bring back Armstead, Ward and a BUNCH of lower priced free agents wasn't an option. They could've kept Buckner at his rookie deal and taken it from there but they decided rather than kicking the issue down the road they were better off getting a first round pick for him now vs losing him for nothing later.

That's a tough but sound business decision. No matter how much you want to push this narrative there is nothing but speculation that the 49ers could've given Buckner a low ball offer and he would've stuck around anyways while we could've kept all these other players.


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First of all i barely post on here anymore. A ban does nothing for me and asking this forum for an opinion is laughable. Do I think Armstead is actually better than Buckner? Of course not. Do I think Buckner is better than Armstead based on their salaries among their position groups? That's debatable.

And that's part of the decision the team had to make. Armstead is the more versatile player, making less money and giving the team better cap flexibility while Buckner allows them to get a draft pick of value to add to the team.

It's a proper business move.

The Colts are 20th in points allowed on defense this year. 17th in yards allowed.
49ers are 11th in points allowed on defense this year. 6th in yards allowed.

You tell me how exactly did the 49ers make the wrong decision? Buckner is the better individual player. That has been the case his whole career playing with Armstead. And yet somehow Buckner despite being the 6th highest paid defensive player in the NFL doesn't magically make his defenses elite all on his own?

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Buckner was never getting a 6 million cap hit. Armstead was getting 6 million last year. Which is why the team was able to sign all these other guys after trading Buckner. At minimum Buckner was getting 12 million which was his 5th year salary. Ward was just one of those players we signed with the money freed up.

And that 2019 defense wasn't build around Buckner. Give me a break. I've already pointed out how our defense wasn't anything great with Buckner as the focal point. We added Bosa, Ford, Kwon and Greenlaw to that defense in 2019 and suddenly they turn into a dominant force and you wanna give credit to Buckner? Cool story…

Justin Smith wasn't a DT and Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis and Navorro have something to say as well.

Ngata wasn't someone who got elite DT money. Dude was a **** brickhouse who played on a very talented Ravens D which still had Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and Ed Reed.

Wilfork is another NT. Why not compare Anquan Boldin to Tyreek Hill when talking WR.


Vikes didn't actually start winning consistently until they added Jared Allen which wasn't even when Kevin Williams had his best seasons since those came when he was on his rookie deal. If anything that argues against your point of paying huge money to a DT.


I'm over this conversation if you wanna circle back to it next season when Armstead actually starts to make big money then we can talk. Or maybe you can wait until the Colts D with Buckner is substantially better than the 49ers D with Armstead…cuz until that happens your claim that the 49ers letting Buckner go is a huge mistake is a trash take with nothing behind it of substance.

Jimmy early in that game was driving me crazy. I thought we were in for bad Jimmy for the whole game. Overthrows, terrible pick…glad he settled down but I somewhat blame Shanahan for early in the game.

Mitchell was gashing them but right away we seemed to go away from what has been going last two weeks. No question Garoppolo needs to hit the throws because they were open for the most part but I think it's also on Kyle to remember that Garoppolo can turn into an ugly duckling any point and we should have our run game shouldn't be tabled unless they can stop it IMO.

Regardless of that gripe…glad we got the big W. Gould missing that kick at the end nearly gave me a panic attack but thankfully the D held it down. No question we got some lucky no calls in this one(thought for sure they were throwing a holding call on us on Deebo's first TD run)

Hope Deebo and Fred are good, can't afford to lose either guy.

Seattle up next. I'd love to see them as a win but those ****ers find a way to get up for our games no matter how bad they've been looking lately. Hopefully we get out there and take care of business and make it 4 in a row.

I have no idea how you could blame Kyle for anything. If you have an NFL QB, he's gotta hit open 5-10 yard passes…it's the minimum. We didn't "table" or go away from anything either. You can't just run the ball every play dude, that's unrealistic.

Niner fans are hilarious. We could've had Mac Jones but they cried and cried and cried. Such a dumb fanbase.

Wait so you legit think the 49ers were talked out of taking Mac Jones because of the fans? And then you want to turn around and call the fanbase dumb?

That's some sweet sweet irony.

Nobody was blaming Kyle outside of saying he should know the limitations of his own QB. And nobody was saying we should run every play. However when you're getting 4/5 YPC then you at least make them stop you before throwing the ball on first down.


It's called risk management and it's not like we haven't seen Kyle run it non stop. Literally just did it 2 weeks in a row to get our win streak. Did it in the playoffs in 2019 before the KC game. No matter what fronts Vikes or GB put out against us we ran at them and passed only in later downs.

I'm glad Garoppolo settled down but you could see it in his feet he was shook early. If I can see that crap on TV then Kyle should see it as well. Thankfully this game it didn't cost us and Kyle went back to running on early downs after the terrible pick.

Only complaint i have with Kyle right now is he's kinda running Mitchell into the ground. Get the other backs some carries. Wilson has proved he's good at catching the ball out of the backfield, at least put him in on those situations. I'm just afraid Mitchell will get hurt and then we'd have no one. Deebo cant play the RB position full time.

I sure hope we can find a week to beat Seattle. On paper it should be a W but Russel Wilson owns the 49ers.

SERIOUSLY. My god.

Definitely a tough time to divvy up the carries with Deebo and Sermon both getting hurt.

Jeff Wilson is clearly not back to 100% after his injury in spring but we'll definitely need to manage Mitchell's workload some more. Kid had 27 carries with a broken finger and bad ribs. Tough SOB.

And yeah…I may have PTSD about Seattle. Just when I want to count those *******s out they find a way to wake up in a big way against us. Can't have Garoppolo playing stupid in this one. Take care of the football on offense and we SHOULD be able to win.

Russel Wilson is playing like a hot turd but watch him run around in the backfield for 20 years and throw 4 TDs against us

Every damn time

It’s so damn annoying

I feel like I’m in the perfect position to flex Aiyuk this week too but, Seattle..

What a emotional roller coaster game. Lots of weird stuff but the 49ers killed themselves as usual. Not sure how that wasnt pass interference in the end zone to tie the game.

It maybe time to get rid of the ST coach. Seattle obviously seen that they were leaving the field wide open in the film room to call that play.

4-16 against Seattle in the last 20 games. Pathetic.

Roughing the passer calls on Russell were bad

Helmet to helmet on 3rd and long to extend Seattle’s drive was horrible. There’s helmet to helmet on every fukn play and they’re calling this sh!t in the 4th quarter when the Niners get a stop.

Edit: cut Norman already jesus fukn Christ

Shanahan is literally handcuffed by Jimmy right now, it sucks. SEA just sold out against the run and we were scewed, especially with Deebo out to change the dynamic. Once Jimmy starts turning it over, it all snowballs into chaos.

Feel bad for Mitchell, he's really our only running threat and we have choice but to run him to death.

Fookin' Seattle.

I dunno if he's our only running threat. Kyle doesnt give the others a chance. Wilson carried 1 time yesterday and gained 6+ yards but it was called back for holding. Mitchell is good but he's not hitting homeruns either. Not trying to take anything away from him.

We lost that game plain and simple. No way Seattle should've won it.

I see Seahawk fans gloating after a 1 TD victory when we were on their 3 yard line and the refs turning a blind eye to a clear penalty on 3rd down. Even then if Dunlap doesn't get his arm on that pass on 4th down it's a tie game.

But worst thing for me in this game was special teams and Jimmy. Said it going into the game…even with Deebo and Warner being out we should win unless we turn the ball over and make stupid mistakes.

Well what do you know…Jimmy G to the rescue.

His picks were terrible and indirectly led to other things which killed us.

First pick put the defense back on the field, pretty sure it was the next play, maybe 2nd play after the pick where Moseley got injured. His injury obviously created major issues with the secondary and their offense started to wake up.

The second pick led to their game winning TD drive.

Just another sloppy ass game against Seattle. So frustrating. Now like clock work we're beat up after the Seattle game including losing Moseley our best corner after Verrett got hurt going into the game with one of the top WR groups in the league. Not like we need a win bad to stay in the playoff hunt.

SMH…

Hope Deebo is able to come back because we're going to need all the firepower we can get on offense. Unless Bosa just goes ultra super beast mode and destroys his buddy Burrow we're in for a rough game on defense vs Cinci. And having to trust Garoppolo to match a high scoring offense scares the daylights out of me.

I already explained why you are lying for the rest of this. There is no point in reexplaining your lies since you obviously know you are lying so I'll let those die. New lies!

Justin Smith was a 3-4 DE who played DT during nickle packages. He is an interior defensive lineman. He was voted 1st team all-pro at DT. He was definitely the best player on the 49ers in 2011. Since you like to pretend PFF's ratings aren't nonsense, he was rated as the #2 best defensive player that year.

Per Google, Ngata signed a deal to make him the highest paid non-qb in the NFL. He was the most important player on the Ravens D his all pro year.

Yeah, teams play better when you have elite players on rookie contracts. Gr8 pt. The Vikings defense was 14, 12, 13, 10 in PPG. The yards were 8, 20, 6, 6. I think Farve and AP had more to do with the teams improvement…obviously.


this is why i don't know why you are still arguing with me. we all know getting rid of buckner was stupid. the only thing is 49ers tricked us into thinking we couldn't have signed him but obv we could have if we tried. the 49ers just made another stupid bet (see the trend) and it failed.

Nothing you said matches your actual point.

Justin Smith was not a DT. Just cuz he played inside in nickel doesn't make him a Deforest Buckner. He was a 4-3 DE out of Missouri. He played 4-3 DE with the Bengals and then he played 3-4 DE with us. Our defense also didn't get into elite levels until we added Aldon Smith and others to work with him. I'm fully aware how great Justin Smith was but the defense wasn't built around a DT.


Yes Ngata got paid and I didn't remember that but Ngata getting paid in 2011 isn't the same as getting top DT money these days and the NFL is very different now. If anything you can look back at that deal and point out how it was a mistake for the Ravens. Ngata was part of a great group over there and not the backbone of the defense. Not when you have 2 HOFers on the same defense and another possible one in Suggs on the DL next to you.

You're over here crying about Buckner not being extended like he's Aaron Donald. He's not.

None of these scenarios you brought up match our circumstances and that's what you fail to acknowledge.

The team knew it had a lot of young talent they would need to extend at some point- Kittle, Warner, Bosa, Deebo. They knew they would be looking at replacing Joe Staley and clearly had Trent Williams in mind.

This is also on top of just being able to sign free agents and retain the core of our SB roster.

Your main point here is they "could've tried and maybe could've kept the team together" which is pure speculation based on Jack Hammer pushing that narrative when he's leaving out critical information in his discussion and concentrating on the money the guys are getting vs cap hits and the fact that Buckner said he would've taken less to stay with SF AFTER he took a lot more with the Colts.


That's like Kyle Shanahan saying he would've gone for 2 if we scored against Seattle. Sure cool, but easy to say that when you get stopped before you can actually follow through on it.

You're welcome to deal with hypotheticals. I'm over here dealing with facts and logic.

Fact is as good as Buckner was individually the team with him being the best player simply wasn't getting it done. So how does a team pay him a premium salary when he doesn't have the type of impact as guys making that much in the NFL? How do they pay him that much and risk losing one of the top guys at another position?

I can pretty much guarantee you that had we kept Buckner and given him the deal he claims he would've taken Trent Williams is in KC right now.

You can cry in here about how much you miss Buckner but I'll take Trent Williams and the other guys over him.

its late and we looked good


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZzH9VqfFEU

That game took some years off my life. We saw good/bad Jimmy but he was clutch the last 2 drives. We continue to shoot ourselves in the foot but luckily the Bengals said hold my beer.

7-6 and still in the 6th seed!!!

SERIOUSLY! Thank goodness we have Kittle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8co1mPg6Hw

we are looking better but i still feel that we have a ways to go.

Kyle definitely deserves some COTY consideration. All those injuries to the running game, crap secondary, really shaky oline. Great job, especially how he's using Deebo and Kittle now.

I wouldn't go that far…Kyle has had some questionable decisions this year. Belichick, Harbaugh, LaFleur imo have a better shot at it.

Having said that it was laughable how many people wanted him gone just a few weeks ago.

So i watched the titans game last night and we need to discuss Jimmy G again because he was way off.
We should have been up 24-0 at the half if his arm was working properly, but the Titans made adjustments and we looked pathetic on offense.
Overthrows interception instead of a TD, just bad all the way around.

The third and long conversions to brown were back breaking, too.

I was pretty critical at the beginning of the season but they've been doing a lot better. Losing to the AFC #2 seed in the last seconds of the game isn't too bad. The game was very winnable.

Damn, no idea 49ers had their own thread! Whats up faithful?!?

Garoppolo fooked up his thumb…possible start for Trey on Sunday?

Happy Trey day

Season is pretty much over. they have to win in LA, probably not gonna happen with no Jimmy.