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03-05-2024, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted By GroriousReader⏩
You're basically a tranny taking hormones to change your body dawg. Not sure what to tell you. Enjoy burning in hell with Satan.
Increased Test in men changes “gender” now?
Source..?
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03-05-2024, 07:01 AM
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Define gender.
Sex, that relating to male or female
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03-05-2024, 07:02 AM
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Female bbers might feel better because it helps with the activity they are passionate about. It enhances athletic performance and muscle development. It is not generally a mood enhancer across the board, and it can actually destabilize your mood. Yeah sure, in normal ranges, it's great. And most people are in normal ranges. High doses only make trans feel better because they want to be more masculine. They would make women feel quite awkward. Testosterone is not an antidepressant. That is clear because there are many depressed men with high testosterone.
Lmfao…dude you just keep pulling absolute horsesh!t out of your ass. Testosterone increases dopamine and very commonly results in enhanced mood and increased well-being. It also very commonly alleviates symptoms of depression. This is true when given to men with low T, men who have “normal” ranges but use testosterone to take them to the upper limits of the range, and people who take supra-physiological doses. All of this is very well documented. It does the same thing in women(and no…not just because it helps them lifts weights). It helps lots of middle aged women with symptoms that go along with menopause and aging in general. You are blatantly just making stuff up because you don’t REALIZE so many things on this topic. That is abundantly clear by your absolute potato level takes in this thread.


There are also depressed people on anti-depressants. Does that mean anti-depressants aren’t anti-depressants?? Just lmao.
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03-05-2024, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Thanks I don’t need anymore doc, I’m good.
Great news.

Curious what your serum levels are like when on vs off.
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03-05-2024, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Great news.

Curious what your serum levels are like when on vs off.
You’ll have to forgive me for not wanting to disclose any more personal health information..as much as you’d “like to know”, I just can’t help you any further.
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03-05-2024, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
You’ll have to forgive me for not wanting to disclose any more personal health information..as much as you’d “like to know”, I just can’t help you any further.
No worries, I completely understand.

I just wouldn't expect a microdose to have a measurable effect on free T.
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03-05-2024, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No worries, I completely understand.

I just wouldn't expect a microdose to have a measurable effect on free T.
Okay
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03-05-2024, 07:19 AM
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We disagree on just about everything, but repped for being able to admit when wrong(which we all are from time to time) and apologizing. Maybe next you can teach J.L.C. how to do that.
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03-05-2024, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Okay
https://www.androgel.com/hcp/dosing-titration


I immigration if you did 3 labs while on and 3 labs while off, the values would completely overlap. The half life is less than 2 hours.

That said, the placebo effect is very real.
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03-05-2024, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
https://www.androgel.com/hcp/dosing-titration


I immigration if you did 3 labs while on and 3 labs while off, the values would completely overlap. The half life is less than 2 hours.

That said, the placebo effect is very real.
Thanks doc, I’m good. No need to push more on me.
Weird obsession though
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03-05-2024, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Thanks doc, I’m good. No need to push more on me.
Weird obsession though
Push?

Lol

It's more likely you're incorrect regarding the dosage and/or your physician isn't monitoring.

Stay mad at pharma tho
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03-05-2024, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Push?

Lol

It's more likely you're incorrect regarding the dosage and/or your physician isn't monitoring.

Stay mad at pharma tho
Nope, I’m correct, & my doc is doing his monitoring just fine..weird obsession indeed.

No wonder the infatuation with children & hormones, look how you you insist I take more & im an adult.
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03-05-2024, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Nope, I’m correct, & my doc is doing his monitoring just fine..weird obsession indeed.

No wonder the infatuation with children & hormones, look how you you insist I take more & im an adult.
Huh?

I haven't insisted anything. Just saying 20mg a month is unlikely to make any difference.

In addition, 'tis you who keeps trying to turn the discussion to children

But, at least everyone now seems comfortable admitting hormone therapy (with appropriate dosage) can be helpful rather then that fact being "proven false"

Pharma universally bad, except for products we want to take.

Just lol
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03-05-2024, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted By GroriousReader⏩
Are you against psychiatric medications, Dave? Anything you want to share? Bad experiences? Hearing voices?
Nope, why would I take that ****?

Enlighten us again Wincel, how a medicated society, is a strong, healthy society…..
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03-05-2024, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You understand TRT for adults is lifelong, right? Almost everyone would be prescribed more than 70mg a week that Paul is referring to as "pumped full of drugs".

Why do y'all keep trying to make it about kids?

Are trans children the p3dophiles with which you're concerned?
Youre trying to compare an adult in their upper 30s, or 40s, taking a small amount of testosterone, to a child taking puberty blockers???

That's your argument???
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03-05-2024, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted By GroriousReader⏩
Female bbers might feel better because it helps with the activity they are passionate about. It enhances athletic performance and muscle development. It is not generally a mood enhancer across the board, and it can actually destabilize your mood. Yeah sure, in normal ranges, it's great. And most people are in normal ranges. High doses only make trans feel better because they want to be more masculine. They would make women feel quite awkward. Testosterone is not an antidepressant. That is clear because there are many depressed men with high testosterone.
What's your definition of a normal range? 200-300?
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03-05-2024, 08:36 AM
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Youre trying to compare an adult in their upper 30s, or 40s, taking a small amount of testosterone, to a child taking puberty blockers???

That's your argument???
He also acts like us acknowledging the benefits of hormones given at appropriate doses is a gotcha….as if giving a female enough testosterone to put her at the upper levels of the range for men could ever be considered an “appropriate dose”.



But again, he just does dumb sh!t like that repeatedly to irritate people so it’s just par for the course.
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03-05-2024, 08:43 AM
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Youre trying to compare an adult in their upper 30s, or 40s, taking a small amount of testosterone, to a child taking puberty blockers???

That's your argument???
Nope.
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03-05-2024, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
He also acts like us acknowledging the benefits of hormones given at appropriate doses is a gotcha….as if giving a female enough testosterone to put her at the upper levels of the range for men could ever be considered an “appropriate dose”.



But again, he just does dumb sh!t like that repeatedly to irritate people so it’s just par for the course.
And usually, the amount of TRT give to a male that needs it, is so small, because they're trying to return you to base levels.

Out of curiosity, I went to a clinic, and I'm not even able to get it where I pay out of pocket, 43 years old, and I'm at around 630.

Just shrugged my shoulders, thanked them for checking my blood pressure, and left.
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03-05-2024, 08:46 AM
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Nope.
That's exactly what you're doing. You're comparing someone getting a simple jab in their upper 30s, 40s, or 50s, every 7-10 days, to a child taking pills everyday…..
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03-05-2024, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Huh?

I haven't insisted anything. Just saying 20mg a month is unlikely to make any difference.

In addition, 'tis you who keeps trying to turn the discussion to children

But, at least everyone now seems comfortable admitting hormone therapy (with appropriate dosage) can be helpful rather then that fact being "proven false"

Pharma universally bad, except for products we want to take.

Just lol
Weird cause I could have sworn the OP dealt with the topic of children..no?

Think everyone always felt the same..just when you push hormones on children to physically alter them in a permanent state, & influence them that they will feel better if they do is the issue.

Again, comparing a fully grown adult & the drugs they decide to take is vastly different than pushing them on developing children..also..groping them should be frowned upon, but I guess you are free to feel differently.
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03-05-2024, 08:52 AM
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That's exactly what you're doing. You're comparing someone getting a simple jab in their upper 30s, 40s, or 50s, every 7-10 days, to a child taking pills everyday…..
Nope.

I said the the vast majority of the literature presented in this thread supports the claim that gender affirming care can improve mental health for those with gender dysphoria.

Everyone now seems to agree.

I said the claims that gender dysphoria is caused by mothers has not been supported.

I also said the claim the gender dysphoria and homosexuality are caused by events during adolescence is unsupported.
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03-05-2024, 08:53 AM
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Weird cause I could have sworn the OP dealt with the topic of children..no?

Think everyone always felt the same..just when you push hormones on children to physically alter them in a permanent state, & influence them that they will feel better if they do is the issue.

Again, comparing a fully grown adult & the drugs they decide to take is vastly different than pushing them on developing children..also..groping them should be frowned upon, but I guess you are free to feel differently.
How can a child be a p3dophile? Is that really a thing? Y'all are worried that trans kids are molesting your cis kids?

It's y'all who contend gender dysphoria and p3dophilia are the same thing.

It was also claimed p3dophilia is being taught in US schools. However. We're still awaiting support for that claim.
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03-05-2024, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How can a child be a p3dophile? Is that really a thing? Y'all are worried that trans kids are molesting your cis kids?

It's y'all who contend gender dysphoria and p3dophilia are the same thing.

It was also claimed p3dophilia is being taught in US schools. However. We're still

awaiting support for that claim.
Can you provide a source for your first claim?

As for trannys groping children & wishing to influence them..plenty of evidence of that already..even some nice pictures ITT that display it, to me, simply exposing genitalia to a child is wrong..again you are free to feel differently.

A lot of discussions ITT, it’s good to separate them & not try to combine them all into one.

I consider story books that picture nude gay & trans kids to be inappropriate for children. Even those that show oral sex. Posted a video of my pastor discussing it at the local school board meeting if you missed it ITT. Thankfully most parents felt the same & the head of the school board was fired as a result.

Again..you are free to feel differently if you choose I guess.
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03-05-2024, 09:17 AM
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Can you provide a source for your first claim?

As for trannys groping children & wishing to influence them..plenty of evidence of that already..even some nice pictures ITT that display it, to me, simply exposing genitalia to a child is wrong..again you are free to feel differently.

A lot of discussions ITT, it’s good to separate them & not try to combine them all into one.

I consider story books that picture nude gay & trans kids to be inappropriate for children. Even those that show oral sex. Posted a video of my pastor discussing it at the local school board meeting if you missed it ITT. Thankfully most parents felt the same & the head of the school board was fired as a result.

Again..you are free to feel differently if you choose I guess.
You posted a relevant paper that supported the claim

Have your kids ever mentioned experiencing any of these books or teachings at school?
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03-05-2024, 09:30 AM
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Interesting to see J.L.C. discussing the discussant, rather than the topic at hand.

But we all know that aside from being an intellectually dishonest shill who will stop nothing short of flat out lying to support the narrative he follows, he is also a massive hypocrite.

Still lulzy tho.
You'll notice an absence of name calling and making up stories

Thank goodness you're back. These fellas were struggling without you! Imitators are as disappointing as they are unoriginal
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03-05-2024, 09:39 AM
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You posted a relevant paper that supported the claim

Have your kids ever mentioned experiencing any of these books or teachings at school?

If the paper supports the claim as I stated..what’s the issue?
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03-05-2024, 09:51 AM
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If the paper supports the claim as I stated..what’s the issue?
Huh?

There is no issue. You first argued that the benefit was proven false. Then you changed your position. I gave you props
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
And yet, you were unable to refute what I called you out for, which was neither of "name calling" nor "making up stories".

You were in fact "discussing the discussant", rather than the topic at hand, even if you were doing it with an "absence of name calling and making up stories". Which confirms that you are in fact hypocritical when you call out others for doing the same. Let's see if you have enough integrity to admit that observable fact.

Still lulzy tho.
I was interacting with another poster in a collegial manner on a topic said poster introduced.

Not so much lulzy. Rather, somewhat refreshing
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Huh?

There is no issue. You first argued that the benefit was proven false. Then you changed your position. I gave you props
Huh?

..I argued the “benefit” of surgery was false..as being on hormone Thearpy showed to alter mood/emotional state.
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