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02-14-2024, 03:11 PM
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02-14-2024, 03:44 PM
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DC Wilks fired by Shanny. Shots fired!
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02-15-2024, 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted By ghostfacedup⏩
Who the pressure is on
can be determined by the play call, bro. A two point conversion doesn't have to be a pass when you have CMAC between tackles or Deebo on a jet sweep. Again, this is all determined by a HC who is prepared for a situation prior to actually being in it…….
yes, go for 2 with basically a rookie QB
and put all the pressure on him
lol. utterly retarded. I'd much rather force KC to go for 2 and put the pressure on them. basic chit.
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02-15-2024, 09:10 AM
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I said it before the game…we don't play our best game and we lose.
Give a team like KC that many chances and Mahomes will get it done. Honestly I'm less upset about this game than i was in 2019. Yes they were holding, yes there were missed calls but we had plenty of opportunities to get the win and just blew it.
It sucks, it hurts and I feel awful for the guys to come so close and fail. We had a great season and had it fairly good in terms of avoiding key injuries but it just bit us in the ass at the wrong time.
Greenlaw stays healthy and we win that game. I said to my wife as soon as he went down they would attack our backups and start moving the ball.
The fumble on the punt to me is the one that really cost us the game though. I don't know wtf McCloud was doing not just jumping on it and his comments about "I'm a playmaker" pissed me off. You have to understand the moment, fall on the f*cking ball! That was a HUGE momentum change and KC just built on that.
The other injury to Feliciano brought Burford back into the lineup. I like the kid but wow…not blocking Chris Jones on a critical 3rd down is something…
I don't know if we'll be back next year. I don't know what the team will look like heading into the season but I do think Purdy is a guy we can win with. Seeing him make big plays to Conley, Jennings and McCloud tells me he doesn't need the avengers out there to play well.
BUT if we can keep the avengers AND improve the OL then that has to be priority.
We ran into a buzzsaw and I'm not even talking about Mahomes. I'm talking about Spags and that KC defense. They were dominant during this playoff run. Even guys they'd call up from the PS were playing at a high level. McDuffie was absolutely sensational and I wish we made it a point to avoid him. Kind of surprised we featured Deebo so much in the passing game.
Either way…that sh*t is in the past. The move to fire Wilks is being called scapegoating by people who didn't watch this team all year. He wasn't a fit. It will be interesting to see who they bring in/promote to replace him.
My priority for this offseason is simple
Find a way to keep Aiyuk(although part of me thinks a Buckner like trade could happen), in which case find a way to replace Aiyuk
Improve the OL - this draft class looks to be pretty deep at the position and we better go in heavy to keep Brock playing with a clean pocket as much as possible.
Add depth at corner
Give a team like KC that many chances and Mahomes will get it done. Honestly I'm less upset about this game than i was in 2019. Yes they were holding, yes there were missed calls but we had plenty of opportunities to get the win and just blew it.
It sucks, it hurts and I feel awful for the guys to come so close and fail. We had a great season and had it fairly good in terms of avoiding key injuries but it just bit us in the ass at the wrong time.
Greenlaw stays healthy and we win that game. I said to my wife as soon as he went down they would attack our backups and start moving the ball.
The fumble on the punt to me is the one that really cost us the game though. I don't know wtf McCloud was doing not just jumping on it and his comments about "I'm a playmaker" pissed me off. You have to understand the moment, fall on the f*cking ball! That was a HUGE momentum change and KC just built on that.
The other injury to Feliciano brought Burford back into the lineup. I like the kid but wow…not blocking Chris Jones on a critical 3rd down is something…
I don't know if we'll be back next year. I don't know what the team will look like heading into the season but I do think Purdy is a guy we can win with. Seeing him make big plays to Conley, Jennings and McCloud tells me he doesn't need the avengers out there to play well.
BUT if we can keep the avengers AND improve the OL then that has to be priority.
We ran into a buzzsaw and I'm not even talking about Mahomes. I'm talking about Spags and that KC defense. They were dominant during this playoff run. Even guys they'd call up from the PS were playing at a high level. McDuffie was absolutely sensational and I wish we made it a point to avoid him. Kind of surprised we featured Deebo so much in the passing game.
Either way…that sh*t is in the past. The move to fire Wilks is being called scapegoating by people who didn't watch this team all year. He wasn't a fit. It will be interesting to see who they bring in/promote to replace him.
My priority for this offseason is simple
Find a way to keep Aiyuk(although part of me thinks a Buckner like trade could happen), in which case find a way to replace Aiyuk
Improve the OL - this draft class looks to be pretty deep at the position and we better go in heavy to keep Brock playing with a clean pocket as much as possible.
Add depth at corner
02-15-2024, 09:13 AM
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02-15-2024, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted By demfeelsbro⏩
I was screaming to my wife that we didn't elect to take the ball 2nd because to me the advantage is you know what the other team did and you basically have 4 downs to match/exceed it.
it's not a dumb conversation it's just people giving their opinions, calm the fuk down. My opinion, and many others, is that no way do you take the ball first in OT unless it's the old rules where a TD on the first drive wins it.
However the analytics nerds did a simulation once the rules were made and it was virtually 50/50 on which way is better. It may have actually been fraction of % points in favor of taking the ball first.
The issue there of course is you're playing Mahomes and Andy Reid so Kyle's thought they may get a 3rd possession would've been a moot point since KC at least was claiming they would go for 2(who knows if that would've been the case if they actually had that decision to make in the game)
But 2 points aren't guaranteed as we said here. Get a stop and we win. It's still an advantage of sorts even though you're risking KC getting the 2 points and winning.
The other thing I saw some people bring up. The defense was just on a field for a long drive. Letting the offense go out there first gives the defense a chance to catch their breath.
02-15-2024, 09:25 AM
#8677
Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
Even Mr Pfizer thinks we were crazy for taking the ball 1st. I know we can go back and forth on this, and Kyle made plenty of other stupid calls, but for me this was the nail in the coffin
I was screaming to my wife that we didn't elect to take the ball 2nd because to me the advantage is you know what the other team did and you basically have 4 downs to match/exceed it.
However the analytics nerds did a simulation once the rules were made and it was virtually 50/50 on which way is better. It may have actually been fraction of % points in favor of taking the ball first.
The issue there of course is you're playing Mahomes and Andy Reid so Kyle's thought they may get a 3rd possession would've been a moot point since KC at least was claiming they would go for 2(who knows if that would've been the case if they actually had that decision to make in the game)
But 2 points aren't guaranteed as we said here. Get a stop and we win. It's still an advantage of sorts even though you're risking KC getting the 2 points and winning.
The other thing I saw some people bring up. The defense was just on a field for a long drive. Letting the offense go out there first gives the defense a chance to catch their breath.
However the analytics nerds did a simulation once the rules were made and it was virtually 50/50 on which way is better. It may have actually been fraction of % points in favor of taking the ball first.
The issue there of course is you're playing Mahomes and Andy Reid so Kyle's thought they may get a 3rd possession would've been a moot point since KC at least was claiming they would go for 2(who knows if that would've been the case if they actually had that decision to make in the game)
But 2 points aren't guaranteed as we said here. Get a stop and we win. It's still an advantage of sorts even though you're risking KC getting the 2 points and winning.
The other thing I saw some people bring up. The defense was just on a field for a long drive. Letting the offense go out there first gives the defense a chance to catch their breath.
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02-15-2024, 07:18 PM
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It is horrifying to realize that Kyle did not know the rules of OT. And Wilks looked like he was coaching the defense in OT like the clock was a factor. This is absurd. These guys did not have their sh!t together. This sh!t is unacceptable. But Kyle is gonna keep his job because Jed York is a clown and there's nobody better to replace him. I have no faith in this current regime. I will always be a 49er fan regardless. Love the players. But until this current regime prove themselves, fuk them.
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02-15-2024, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
Kyle knew the rules. the rumor was a couple players didn't know the rules. who really cares?
It is horrifying to realize that Kyle did not know the rules of OT.
this has been the best regime they've had since Seifert. They JUST found a guy who possibly be their QB of the future and you want Kyle to not "keep his job"? the QB is young and is a great fit for Kyle's system. Kid is like 24 years old with balls of steel.
this begs the question, are you retarded?
you HAVE to give Kyle and Brock at least 3 years together, or you're bat**** insane. Reid got like 20 years in philly and didn't have this success in 20 years that Kyle has had in 8.
If you lose Kyle, you're not gonna like you what happens to this current team, especially Brock, I can promise you that (they love him, especially the best guys like CMC, Kittle, Deebo). Look at what happened to Jimmy after he left Kyle.
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02-15-2024, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted By ghostfacedup⏩
Go to :44 of this video. This doesn't sound like Kyle knew the OT rules if he's talking about wanting to get the touchdown to not give Pat a chance. Let me know if I'm not hearing this correctly.
Kyle knew the rules. the rumor was a couple players didn't know the rules. who really cares?
this has been the best regime they've had since Seifert. They JUST found a guy who possibly be their QB of the future and you want Kyle to not "keep his job"? the QB is young and is a great fit for Kyle's system. Kid is like 24 years old with balls of steel.
this begs the question, are you retarded?
you HAVE to give Kyle and Brock at least 3 years together, or you're bat**** insane. Reid got like 20 years in philly and didn't have this success in 20 years that Kyle has had in 8.
If you lose Kyle, you're not gonna like you what happens to this current team, especially Brock, I can promise you that (they love him, especially the best guys like CMC, Kittle, Deebo). Look at what happened to Jimmy after he left Kyle.
this has been the best regime they've had since Seifert. They JUST found a guy who possibly be their QB of the future and you want Kyle to not "keep his job"? the QB is young and is a great fit for Kyle's system. Kid is like 24 years old with balls of steel.
this begs the question, are you retarded?
you HAVE to give Kyle and Brock at least 3 years together, or you're bat**** insane. Reid got like 20 years in philly and didn't have this success in 20 years that Kyle has had in 8.
If you lose Kyle, you're not gonna like you what happens to this current team, especially Brock, I can promise you that (they love him, especially the best guys like CMC, Kittle, Deebo). Look at what happened to Jimmy after he left Kyle.
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02-15-2024, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
he's probably talking about the last drive in regulation. They had a chance to run out the clock if they got a first down and continued their drive. If they score a Td there the Chiefs barely have any time left. Regardless this is RIGHT after they lost, he's probably just talking automatically at this point and not really thinking.
Go to :44 of this video. This doesn't sound like Kyle knew the OT rules if he's talking about wanting to get the touchdown to not give Pat a chance. Let me know if I'm not hearing this correctly.
they knew the rules though man, the ref pretty much tells them.
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02-15-2024, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted By ghostfacedup⏩
That is not what he is talking about and you know it. It makes no sense in that context. Even if they score a touchdown, Pat still has a chance. He could have simply said that they should have ran out the clock and kicked a field goal to win it if he's talking about regulation. It sounds like he's referring to the old OT rules here where scoring a touchdown first wins the game. That's what he means.
he's probably talking about the last drive in regulation. They had a chance to run out the clock if they got a first down and continued their drive. If they score a Td there the Chiefs barely have any time left. Regardless this is RIGHT after they lost, he's probably just talking automatically at this point and not really thinking.
they knew the rules though man, the ref pretty much tells them.
they knew the rules though man, the ref pretty much tells them.
This dude legit did not know the OT rules.
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02-16-2024, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted By markkillerings⏩
yep, plus he went on to talk about how we could have got them off the field on 4th down but didn't - which happened after our drive in OT
That is not what he is talking about and you know it. It makes no sense in that context. Even if they score a touchdown, Pat still has a chance. He could have simply said that they should have ran out the clock and kicked a field goal to win it if he's talking about regulation. It sounds like he's referring to the old OT rules here where scoring a touchdown first wins the game. That's what he means.
This dude legit did not know the OT rules.
This dude legit did not know the OT rules.
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02-16-2024, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted By DustinTheHuss⏩
DC Wilks fired by Shanny. Shots fired!
Scapegoating your black DC because you were dumb enough to want the ball first in OT/not know the new rules of playoff OT. Classic KKKyle.
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02-16-2024, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted By YoungMetro24⏩
Narrow thinking; maybe they didn't get along.
Scapegoating your black DC because you were dumb enough to want the ball first in OT/not know the new rules of playoff OT. Classic KKKyle.
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02-16-2024, 07:39 AM
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Look, when you're giving up an average 17 points all season and then give up average 25 in the playoffs, you're in for a coinflip. All the playoff games were coinflips for us and this one didn't go our way. The way we were playing in the playoffs, we should have lost the 1st game. I'm glad we got as far as we did. There is certainly blame to be put on offense not producing enough points with the talent they have but if you look at all the games we lost, majority were because the defense **** the bed. Don't get me started on the kicker situation as well. How do you miss an extra ****ing point?!.. This kicker is anything but clutch and will end up costing us lots of coinflip games.
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02-16-2024, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted By YoungMetro24⏩
Uhh maybe you forget but there was another black dc before him as well that was pretty successful and got promoted to a hc or a muslim dc before that who also got promoted to a hc. Keep your race baiting troll posts out of this thread.
Scapegoating your black DC because you were dumb enough to want the ball first in OT/not know the new rules of playoff OT. Classic KKKyle.
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02-16-2024, 07:51 AM
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That dude is a troll who needs friends.
Uhh maybe you forget but there was another black dc before him as well that was pretty successful and got promoted to a hc or a muslim dc before that who also got promoted to a hc. Keep your race baiting troll posts out of this thread.
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02-16-2024, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted By WRXbrah⏩
Exactly. This team has not looked right since the Ravens game.
Look, when you're giving up an average 17 points all season and then give up average 25 in the playoffs, you're in for a coinflip. All the playoff games were coinflips for us and this one didn't go our way. The way we were playing in the playoffs, we should have lost the 1st game. I'm glad we got as far as we did. There is certainly blame to be put on offense not producing enough points with the talent they have but if you look at all the games we lost, majority were because the defense **** the bed. Don't get me started on the kicker situation as well. How do you miss an extra ****ing point?!.. This kicker is anything but clutch and will end up costing us lots of coinflip games.
As for Wilks, he was gone regardless of the results of the SB.
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02-16-2024, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted By demfeelsbro⏩
This.
yep, plus he went on to talk about how we could have got them off the field on 4th down but didn't - which happened after our drive in OT
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02-16-2024, 08:41 AM
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The whole OT fiasco is stupid. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you kick or receive if you don't put up a 7 against the Chiefs. Yes the second team has a chance to end it with an 8 but that's some Dan Campbell **** and I'll take my chances. We failed to score because CMC was spent and we had 0 creativity in the playcalling to account for their pass rush.
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02-16-2024, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted By demfeelsbro⏩
What he thinks is irrelevant. They won the game so they can laugh it off. There were several reasons why taking the ball first made sense.
Even Mr Pfizer thinks we were crazy for taking the ball 1st. I know we can go back and forth on this, and Kyle made plenty of other stupid calls, but for me this was the nail in the coffin
If Burford blocks Chris Jones we score a TD on the opening drive and then we see if KC scores their TD and what they do after it. They said they would go for 2…we'll never know now.
Fact remains that the decision to take the ball first wasn't insane. Not with the defense being tired and not looking great to close out regulation.
02-16-2024, 08:54 AM
#8693
Originally Posted By WRXbrah⏩
We failed to score cuz Burford had to play for an injured Feliciano and somehow decided on a key 3rd and 4 that blocking Chris Jones wasn't needed. The play was a TD whether Brock had time to find Jennings or WAO Aiyuk.
The whole OT fiasco is stupid. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you kick or receive if you don't put up a 7 against the Chiefs. Yes the second team has a chance to end it with an 8 but that's some Dan Campbell **** and I'll take my chances. We failed to score because CMC was spent and we had 0 creativity in the playcalling to account for their pass rush.
02-16-2024, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted By x-trainer ben⏩
it was more because Wilks sucked and Shanahan was having to help with the gameplans.
Narrow thinking; maybe they didn't get along.
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02-16-2024, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted By iamgenus⏩
yup. the OL choked massively. Mainly Burford on multiple plays. Also the idea that Shanahan abandoned the run is pure bull****:
We failed to score cuz Burford had to play for an injured Feliciano and somehow decided on a key 3rd and 4 that blocking Chris Jones wasn't needed. The play was a TD whether Brock had time to find Jennings or WAO Aiyuk.
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the OL totally choked this game away. And that falls on Shanny and Lynch…they don't invest in OL and it bit them in the ass. I'll just say if they want Brock to be a good QB they better invest in the OL from here on out.
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02-19-2024, 09:10 AM
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Which was the bigger debacle of 2023 post season? The Damar Hamlin Fake punt in their own 15 yard line in the Bills-Chiefs game or KS not deferring in OT?
Close call!
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02-19-2024, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted By jimmybobjim⏩
Ks not deferring isn't a debacle. it was the right move.
Which was the bigger debacle of 2023 post season? The Damar Hamlin Fake punt in their own 15 yard line in the Bills-Chiefs game or KS not deferring in OT?
Close call!
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02-20-2024, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted By ghostfacedup⏩
We can argue whether it was the right move or not but it 100% wasn't a debacle. The execution in OT was the issue, not the decision on who gets the ball first.
Ks not deferring isn't a debacle. it was the right move.
We didn't score a TD on offense and then failed to stop KC from scoring their TD. You do that in OT in the other order and you lose the game the same way.
Analytics are virtually split on teh matter. Team simply didn't get the job done.
02-20-2024, 09:39 AM
#8699
Originally Posted By ghostfacedup⏩
Guarantee they won't learn from this (same as the Eagles game last year) and won't invest in their O-line. Successful teams see QB as most important, then protecting the QB as 2nd priority…OL doesn't seem to register anywhere on Shanny's priority list.
yup. the OL choked massively. Mainly Burford on multiple plays. Also the idea that Shanahan abandoned the run is pure bull****:
https://twitter.com/richjmadrid/stat...94433278034006
the OL totally choked this game away. And that falls on Shanny and Lynch…they don't invest in OL and it bit them in the ass. I'll just say if they want Brock to be a good QB they better invest in the OL from here on out.
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the OL totally choked this game away. And that falls on Shanny and Lynch…they don't invest in OL and it bit them in the ass. I'll just say if they want Brock to be a good QB they better invest in the OL from here on out.
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02-20-2024, 12:08 PM
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It hurts but guess what?
We made it past the Packers and we shouldn't have beaten the Lions but did; so as close as this was, we were a bit shaky in playoff performance and i will take 2nd best.
We made it past the Packers and we shouldn't have beaten the Lions but did; so as close as this was, we were a bit shaky in playoff performance and i will take 2nd best.
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