Forum
»
More General Categories
»
Misc.
» MWC - Official Misc Wristwatch Crew Part VI: Patek or Bust - READ the OP
04-08-2022, 02:08 PM
#8821
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
It would be nice if they did, but they do not. And I think you are overstating their provenance, particularly in the context of arenas where they have not demonstrated any notable achievements.
Gucci is known for luxury.. they're synonymous with luxury. Wouldn't they put the same effort into their timepieces?
Edit: though I see that they are attempting to step up their game with the GG727.25 movement. The price tag reflects it as well, though they threw the movement in what appears to be a nautilus knock-off with a royal oak bracelet, which is a shame. It will take more than that for them to get any respect as watchmakers.
Quote
04-08-2022, 02:44 PM
#8822
Reference pics so you guys see what I am talking about up there ^
calibre GUCCI GG727.25 with micro-rotor – 21,600vph – 60-hour power reserve – integrated steel bracelet with butterfly clasp – EUR 8,200 and EUR 10,500 (gold I assume).
calibre GUCCI GG727.25 with micro-rotor – 21,600vph – 60-hour power reserve – integrated steel bracelet with butterfly clasp – EUR 8,200 and EUR 10,500 (gold I assume).
04-08-2022, 06:01 PM
#8823
Originally Posted By ChknFrydMFer⏩
Only a couple months so far, but the woman at the Rolex AD basically told me that when Submariners come in, they call their best customers first rather than who's been waiting the longest. And then strongly hinted that I should go take a look at some diamond earrings for my wife before I left. I got her to actually take my info down at least.
How long have you been waiting?
Originally Posted By litljay⏩
Yeah, there's actually an Omega store almost right next to the Rolex AD I mentioned above in the La Cantera mall here in San Antonio. I bought my speedy there. I'll check next time I'm there to see if they have the NTD seamaster.
Love the look of it. It even looks better in person, IMO. Do you have an Omega boutique or AD close to you that you can go look at it in person and put it on wrist?
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
lol no
Gucci is known for luxury.. they're synonymous with luxury. Wouldn't they put the same effort into their timepieces?
Being "known for luxury" these days just means you charge a lot for your products. Any of those "luxury" brands that blast their logo all over their products tend to be super overpriced. You're just paying for the logo so that you can flex on people.
And relief washes over me in an awesome wave
- MattyMiscer
- Registered User
-
- MattyMiscer
- Registered User
- Join Date: Jan 2015
- Location: Virginia, United States
- Posts: 7,186
- Rep Power: 134,631
-
04-08-2022, 06:20 PM
#8824
Originally Posted By MattyMiscer⏩
Yep, and even among wealthy people, the flex is obvious. I’ve been in those circles during social events, and Gucci loafers with gold horsebit buckles are basically a scream for attention, unless meticulously matched. There are people there wearing subdued John Lobb shoes worth 3x as much. Not to say I don’t have a couple of Ferragamo loafers with obvious brand-buckles myself (though I avoid shiny stuff), but you should be aware of what you are projecting. I’m not wealthy, because I have to work to maintain my lifestyle. I buy things because I like them for what they are at the core, and I recommend you (tjw) do the same. The luxury flex is an endless venture.
Being "known for luxury" these days just means you charge a lot for your products. Any of those "luxury" brands that blast their logo all over their products tend to be super overpriced. You're just paying for the logo so that you can flex on people.
04-08-2022, 07:40 PM
#8825
Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Edit: though I see that they are attempting to step up their game with the GG727.25 movement. The price tag reflects it as well, though they threw the movement in what appears to be a nautilus knock-off with a royal oak bracelet, which is a shame. It will take more than that for them to get any respect as watchmakers.
Interesting. I looked it up and Gucci actually makes their own watches. I always assumed it was outsourced with a Gucci logo thrown on but they have their own company part of Kering group which also owns: Ulysse Nardin, Girard-*********, JeanRichard, Gucci, Boucheron, Qeelin, Bottega Veneta.
04-08-2022, 07:58 PM
#8826
Originally Posted By p100⏩
And they join many other companies that jumped into the “in house” game. They get no preference because they make nice suits and shoes. They need to create innovative, unique, marketable, and thoughtful designs to gain some respect. So far, they have ripped off Audemars Piguet, and Patek Philippe. An insult to the Gerald Genta designs of 2 out of 3 the Swiss trinity brands is not a good start brah.
Interesting. I looked it up and Gucci actually makes their own watches. I always assumed it was outsourced with a Gucci logo thrown on but they have their own company part of Kering group which also owns: Ulysse Nardin, Girard-*********, JeanRichard, Gucci, Boucheron, Qeelin, Bottega Veneta.
You think highly of Gucci because of their expensive fashion productions in the tens of thousands. Welcome to the world of Patek Philippe:
https://www.diamondsourcenyc.com/pro...gn=sag_organic
A Gucci watch is like a Gucci chair vs Herman Miller. Or a Gucci car vs a Ferrari. Or a Gucci frying pan vs Mauviel. Or a Gucci boat vs a Benetti. Apples and oranges brah.
04-08-2022, 08:23 PM
#8827
Sorry for going off MWC brahs. The misconception of the value of a watch being tied entirely to brand name rustles me. Mostly because I know the brand value of Rolex, but also understand the core value. Which is a reason that I like them so much, and am waiting for the right model for me, at the right time, and the right price. Chit gets under my skin.
Not knocking Nardin and p.erreg.aux . It I had unlimited resources, they would be worth buying imo. I’d probably pick up a Bulgari as well.
Not knocking Nardin and p.erreg.aux . It I had unlimited resources, they would be worth buying imo. I’d probably pick up a Bulgari as well.
04-08-2022, 08:31 PM
#8828
Originally Posted By MattyMiscer⏩
So my AD basically did the same thing. I came in looking at omegas to break the ice and chat. He went so far as to say "no better way to establish yourself as a customer than to buy the Aquaterra"
Only a couple months so far, but the woman at the Rolex AD basically told me that when Submariners come in, they call their best customers first rather than who's been waiting the longest. And then strongly hinted that I should go take a look at some diamond earrings for my wife before I left. I got her to actually take my info down at least.
I have zero issue buying the AT if it actually meant I'd be able to buy the SD43 at retail soon. The AT costs less than the gray market markup on the SD43.
But I would be pissed af if I bought the AT and realized I still wasn't gonna get to buy the SD.
480s / 370b / 495d / 235 x 2 SOHP
Trump 2020
DeSantis 2024
Catbrah 2032
Misc Firearms Crew
Misc Wristwatch Crew
Will sell wife's foot pics for watch/gun money crew
Definitely not a fed crew
04-09-2022, 02:54 PM
#8829
I believe my Gucci watch has more complications than my Longines plus I like the look of it better. But they are both very good looking watches
04-09-2022, 03:30 PM
#8830
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
I’d like to see it if you have some pics. Honestly curious about the complications. I got one as a gift once a long while back, from an uncle who knew I like watches. I keep it around for sentimental reasons, and even wear it on family occasions, so he knows I appreciate it. Anyway, let’s see yours.
I believe my Gucci watch has more complications than my Longines plus I like the look of it better. But they are both very good looking watches
04-09-2022, 03:41 PM
#8831
Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
My Gucci is: Gucci 101M Chrono. I paid a lot for it
I’d like to see it if you have some pics. Honestly curious about the complications. I got one as a gift once a long while back, from an uncle who knew I like watches. I keep it around for sentimental reasons, and even wear it on family occasions, so he knows I appreciate it. Anyway, let’s see yours.
My Longines is the Conquest, I believe
I would send pics but I'm om my phone and don't know how
Edit: I'll try for pics
Edit #2: The watches I have are better looking and may be different than the ones on google lol
Look at the Gucci YA101309 that's close
04-09-2022, 04:41 PM
#8832
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
The Conquest was the first “big” watch purchase I ever made. I really like that one. The Gucci isn’t bad. The G on the bezel is a bit too flashy for me, but I also find LV belts with the letters displayed flashy, and a whole lot other stuff to be “a bit much”. That said, how you rock it counts for more than anything. I often use this pic as an example of that:
My Gucci is: Gucci 101M Chrono. I paid a lot for it
My Longines is the Conquest, I believe
I would send pics but I'm om my phone and don't know how
Edit: I'll try for pics
Edit #2: The watches I have are better looking and may be different than the ones on google lol
Look at the Gucci YA101309 that's close
My Longines is the Conquest, I believe
I would send pics but I'm om my phone and don't know how
Edit: I'll try for pics
Edit #2: The watches I have are better looking and may be different than the ones on google lol
Look at the Gucci YA101309 that's close
Crazy wild watch, but he makes it work. You do you, and enjoy. Apologies if I came off as rigid/negative earlier, that’s a chit attitude and one that I’m working on changing. I’m a pretty reserved guy, and sometimes apply that mentality onto others unnecessarily/wrongfully. I’m glad you enjoy your watch.
04-09-2022, 05:43 PM
#8833
Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
You didn't come off that way brah. Thanks for answering my question and sharing your watch knowledge
The Conquest was the first “big” watch purchase I ever made. I really like that one. The Gucci isn’t bad. The G on the bezel is a bit too flashy for me, but I also find LV belts with the letters displayed flashy, and a whole lot other stuff to be “a bit much”. That said, how you rock it counts for more than anything. I often use this pic as an example of that:
Crazy wild watch, but he makes it work. You do you, and enjoy. Apologies if I came off as rigid/negative earlier, that’s a chit attitude and one that I’m working on changing. I’m a pretty reserved guy, and sometimes apply that mentality onto others unnecessarily/wrongfully. I’m glad you enjoy your watch.
Crazy wild watch, but he makes it work. You do you, and enjoy. Apologies if I came off as rigid/negative earlier, that’s a chit attitude and one that I’m working on changing. I’m a pretty reserved guy, and sometimes apply that mentality onto others unnecessarily/wrongfully. I’m glad you enjoy your watch.
04-09-2022, 10:03 PM
#8834
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
That Gucci is a quartz fashion piece of junk m8. Complications do not apply. Put Fossil on the dial and that's a $50 watch.
My Gucci is: Gucci 101M Chrono. I paid a lot for it
My Longines is the Conquest, I believe
I would send pics but I'm om my phone and don't know how
Edit: I'll try for pics
Edit #2: The watches I have are better looking and may be different than the ones on google lol
Look at the Gucci YA101309 that's close
My Longines is the Conquest, I believe
I would send pics but I'm om my phone and don't know how
Edit: I'll try for pics
Edit #2: The watches I have are better looking and may be different than the ones on google lol
Look at the Gucci YA101309 that's close
Be the dog Iceman thinks he has
Seinfeld crew
Costco crew
Golf crew
Watch crew
MAGA
04-10-2022, 01:55 PM
#8835
Originally Posted By BigRangs⏩
^this
That Gucci is a quartz fashion piece of junk m8. Complications do not apply. Put Fossil on the dial and that's a $50 watch.
by that logic my $10 casio f-91w has more complications than any rolex ever produced…brb perpetual calendar, split-seconds chronograph, hourly chime, alarm and more
(the f-91w is a fantastic watch though srs)
"Psai is the love child of Rick Ross, Ghandi and Oz" - Phoenix9369
"you are going to be an excellent father, loving husband, and an unselfish lover one day" - TellitAgain
"You'll always be my favorite CEO. Always." - Tweedurr
"I have big respect for any young man as hard working as Psai" - Motiviert
04-10-2022, 04:16 PM
#8836
Originally Posted By BigRangs⏩
I assumed it was an ETA or Sellita or something after looking at the pictures. Agreed that quartz complications are generally not comparable to mechanical ones, for obvious reasons. I still stand by “enjoy your watch”. It’s just apples and oranges though.
That Gucci is a quartz fashion piece of junk m8. Complications do not apply. Put Fossil on the dial and that's a $50 watch.
So we can better display this, I’ll post a quartz movement that may look like what is inside his Gucci watch vs what may be in his Conquest
Vs
These are entirely incomparable imo.
04-10-2022, 05:41 PM
#8837
Originally Posted By BigRangs⏩
Yeah?
That Gucci is a quartz fashion piece of junk m8. Complications do not apply. Put Fossil on the dial and that's a $50 watch.
What does an Audemars Piguet or Rolex do differently
04-10-2022, 06:05 PM
#8838
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
To summarize, everything. Just talking Rolex, there’s lot’s of videos on youtube, and lots of watch forums out there, that go into things like a free sprung balance, parachrom bleu, chromalight, hidden clasps, proprietary metals, etc. You are asking us to simplify a lot of information that you really should take the time to look into yourself, if watches are something that interest you past the surface level.
Yeah?
What does an Audemars Piguet or Rolex do differently
What does an Audemars Piguet or Rolex do differently
A good start would be looking up how mechanical movements work in general. Once you understand that, you’ll have a better grasp of the innovations built from there, and the complexities of things like perpetual calendars, anti magnetic plates (complex history), minute repeaters, helium escape valves, flyback chronographs, tachymeters and tourbill0ns.
And if this stuff doesn't interest you that’s fine. It’s not for everyone. Just be understanding that many of us have taken the time to learn these things, and judge watches from a different perspective than a person who isn’t interested in the details. Details matter to us. And for many of us, this goes way beyond watches.
04-10-2022, 06:41 PM
#8839
^Again, no disrespect intended. It’s just an effort to guide you into seeing why Gucci quartz watches are seen as a different thing to most of us than a solid mechanical watch (including some affordable ones like Orient).
04-10-2022, 07:54 PM
#8840
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
retain their value (srs)
Yeah?
What does an Audemars Piguet or Rolex do differently
What does an Audemars Piguet or Rolex do differently
- SouthDakotaBrah
- SUPERNOVA
-
- SouthDakotaBrah
- SUPERNOVA
- Join Date: Jul 2012
- Location: Kansas City, Missouri, United States
- Age: 30
- Posts: 9,351
- Rep Power: 86,402
-
04-10-2022, 08:09 PM
#8841
I’m struggling to be nice about this.
04-10-2022, 08:20 PM
#8842
It's really difficult to explain to the average person how something like a Seiko 7S26 and a Rolex 3235 movement are so different.
Imagine assembling something with 100+ moving parts and having the tolerances so tight that it 1) is accurate to within 1/86400th (one second per day)…. and can run like that for decades on end.
Imagine assembling something with 100+ moving parts and having the tolerances so tight that it 1) is accurate to within 1/86400th (one second per day)…. and can run like that for decades on end.
480s / 370b / 495d / 235 x 2 SOHP
Trump 2020
DeSantis 2024
Catbrah 2032
Misc Firearms Crew
Misc Wristwatch Crew
Will sell wife's foot pics for watch/gun money crew
Definitely not a fed crew
04-10-2022, 08:28 PM
#8843
Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Inb4 accuracy of apple watches that you have to charge every day and let you get emails from work.
It's really difficult to explain to the average person how something like a Seiko 7S26 and a Rolex 3235 movement are so different.
Imagine assembling something with 100+ moving parts and having the tolerances so tight that it 1) is accurate to within 1/86400th (one second per day)…. and can run like that for decades on end.
Imagine assembling something with 100+ moving parts and having the tolerances so tight that it 1) is accurate to within 1/86400th (one second per day)…. and can run like that for decades on end.
04-10-2022, 11:20 PM
#8844
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
I own and wear a bunch of g-shocks that I love over some of my expensive chit. Your quartz Gucci is junk. Fossil watch with a different logo.
Yeah?
What does an Audemars Piguet or Rolex do differently
What does an Audemars Piguet or Rolex do differently
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
A friend of mine bought that same watch but with a bracelet a couple months ago. I sent him to my AD and it was 20% no question. He ended up buying online because we get cucked here with 10% sales tax though.
Is it still reasonable to try and get an omega at a discount? I'm looking at this one which retails for $5,400:
Seems like third party vendors sell it for much less ($4600)? Prestigetime comes with a 5 year warranty, seems like a good deal?
Seems like third party vendors sell it for much less ($4600)? Prestigetime comes with a 5 year warranty, seems like a good deal?
Be the dog Iceman thinks he has
Seinfeld crew
Costco crew
Golf crew
Watch crew
MAGA
04-11-2022, 12:07 AM
#8845
Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy from the AD even with 10% sales tax? Unless online doesn't charge sales tax or something
He got rid of the 10% sales tax. Saved a few hundred bucks.
Be the dog Iceman thinks he has
Seinfeld crew
Costco crew
Golf crew
Watch crew
MAGA
04-11-2022, 04:30 AM
#8846
Originally Posted By tjw⏩
I would send pics but I'm om my phone and don't know how
Edit: I'll try for pics
Join date: 15 years ago
I would send pics but I'm om my phone and don't know how
Edit: I'll try for pics
Still doesn't know how to post pics.
04-11-2022, 05:57 AM
#8847
Originally Posted By BigRangs⏩
Lol, I do the $20 retro Casio thing myself. There’s something about it I just like. Reminds me of the 80s/90s I guess.
I own and wear a bunch of g-shocks that I love over some of my expensive chit. Your quartz Gucci is junk. Fossil watch with a different logo.
04-11-2022, 08:44 PM
#8848
Local rolex dealer said 1 year wait at least of the batman she had on display in riverside square mall today. Most of their display cases were empty. Feelsbatman. There were like 5-10 watches on display in 50-75 spaces. Mostly datejusts for women.
It’s a chit feeling when you can buy something, but are told your money is no good.
This grey market stuff just feels off. If Rolex raised their retail prices to grey market prices, this whole thing would fall apart imo. Not saying they would lose value, but it would change things if they officially made themselves msrp competitors to AP, PP, etc. for sports model watches. I think they walk a fine line at the moment.
It’s a chit feeling when you can buy something, but are told your money is no good.
This grey market stuff just feels off. If Rolex raised their retail prices to grey market prices, this whole thing would fall apart imo. Not saying they would lose value, but it would change things if they officially made themselves msrp competitors to AP, PP, etc. for sports model watches. I think they walk a fine line at the moment.
04-12-2022, 06:15 AM
#8849
Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Ditto. I have the GA-2100 as my gym beater. Had an issue with the rubber strap so got a black royal oak knockoff on amazon. Love the thing.
Lol, I do the $20 retro Casio thing myself. There’s something about it I just like. Reminds me of the 80s/90s I guess.
Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
Realistically is why im "meh" right now about it all. The only real watch i want is a BLNR on a jubilee. And literally the above Omega AT on a steel bracelet. I wouldnt…mind….a blue/fluted/baton/jubilee DJ41….but it's just that. Wouldnt mind one. So to me…playing the games with an AD right now….is blah. WHen i used to live in upstate NY and had an AD almost in walking distance to my house (got me my AK In about 3-4 months), sure, I would start bugging them weekly and going in to chat. But now in SE virginia where one of the local AD's discontinued their connection with Rolex, im meh. The other dealer is known for the "oh you want a BLNR/Pepsi?….youre going to need to spend 250k" and even being dikks to customers.
Local rolex dealer said 1 year wait at least of the batman she had on display in riverside square mall today. Most of their display cases were empty. Feelsbatman. There were like 5-10 watches on display in 50-75 spaces. Mostly datejusts for women.
It’s a chit feeling when you can buy something, but are told your money is no good.
This grey market stuff just feels off. If Rolex raised their retail prices to grey market prices, this whole thing would fall apart imo. Not saying they would lose value, but it would change things if they officially made themselves msrp competitors to AP, PP, etc. for sports model watches. I think they walk a fine line at the moment.
It’s a chit feeling when you can buy something, but are told your money is no good.
This grey market stuff just feels off. If Rolex raised their retail prices to grey market prices, this whole thing would fall apart imo. Not saying they would lose value, but it would change things if they officially made themselves msrp competitors to AP, PP, etc. for sports model watches. I think they walk a fine line at the moment.
MFC
Misc Cologne Crew | **BBC** | Aventus Friday Crew
RIP YGST
- twovalvekid
- N3rd Op3rator
-
- twovalvekid
- N3rd Op3rator
- Join Date: Sep 2013
- Location: Saratoga Springs, New York, United States
- Posts: 24,929
- Rep Power: 436,322
-
04-13-2022, 08:05 PM
#8850
No thnx Jeff. And yeah, charged my phone after this weird notification. Just going to stick with MWC, Rolex/Omega forums, and watchuseek. I know that subreddit has more members than we have views, but these rules are a bit much for me.
Bookmarks
- Digg
- del.icio.us
- StumbleUpon
Posting Permissions
- You may not post new threads
- You may not post replies
- You may not post attachments
- You may not edit your posts