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Originally Posted By BunkMoreland⏩
He has an Ivy league education in Econ. Read through all of what he said, it all makes sense.lol, this is why they call him teflon don. The knuckle-dragging chuckleheads dont care how inept and hilariously blundering he is. actually, they probably don't even perceive the level of ineptitude, since they're on the same level. they hear statements like this, and they cheer. smgdh.
Please explain how he is inept and blundering.
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Originally Posted By Lucianus⏩
c'mon loose anusHe just gets worse and worse. It's horrible
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Originally Posted By StiffSproles⏩
lol gotcha. And you think that would be a good thing don't you?Huh? What? Trump never said he would pay off debt by printing money, you retard.
[color=red]He said that defaulting on the debt won't happen because we print the money.[color]You try to make Trump look bad and it seems that you can't even read.
[color=red]He said that defaulting on the debt won't happen because we print the money.[color]You try to make Trump look bad and it seems that you can't even read.
Originally Posted By CHARBACK⏩
Its astounding how delusional and ignorant you people are fukking lmaoOP you just don't understand an easy concept, stop posting. Reading through all of what he said, it all makes sense.
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05-09-2016, 01:09 PM
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst.../#4aca824f27aa
However, Trump warned that America’s huge $19 trillion of debt could be harder to pay off if rates go up.
‘If interest rates go up one percent, that’s devastating,’ the presumptive GOP nominee for president said. ‘What happens if that interest rate goes up 2, 3, 4 points? We don’t have a country.’
That’s not quite as true as he’s making out. It depends on the maturity profile of the debt. Treasuries that have already been issued to not change their coupon as a result of interest rates going up.
A little explanation here: Coupon is the interest rate written on the bond, in the contract. Yield is the interest rate if you buy it at today’s price. If today’s price is par (or 100, or 100% of the original price) then the coupon and the yield are the same. When interest rates change the yield and the price will change of already extant bonds but the coupon will remain exactly the same. Thus already existing debt will cost the Treasury in interest precisely what it costs now, no matter what happens to interest rates in the future. It’s only newly issued debt that will change in coupon
So interest rates going up for a little bit aren’t that much of a problem. If they go up by those five percentage points and stay there for decades then yes, they would be an expensive problem to deal with. But by far the most interesting point he makes is this:
‘I could see long-term renegotiations where we borrow long-term at very low rates,’ he said. ‘We do need money to rebuild the infrastructure of our country.’
‘I don’t want to renegotiate the bonds, but I think you can do discounting,’ he said when asked about sovereign bonds. ‘I think depending on where interest rates are, I think you can buy back. I’m not talking about with a renegotiation, but you can buy back at discounts — you can do things at discounts.’
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However, Trump warned that America’s huge $19 trillion of debt could be harder to pay off if rates go up.
‘If interest rates go up one percent, that’s devastating,’ the presumptive GOP nominee for president said. ‘What happens if that interest rate goes up 2, 3, 4 points? We don’t have a country.’
That’s not quite as true as he’s making out. It depends on the maturity profile of the debt. Treasuries that have already been issued to not change their coupon as a result of interest rates going up.
A little explanation here: Coupon is the interest rate written on the bond, in the contract. Yield is the interest rate if you buy it at today’s price. If today’s price is par (or 100, or 100% of the original price) then the coupon and the yield are the same. When interest rates change the yield and the price will change of already extant bonds but the coupon will remain exactly the same. Thus already existing debt will cost the Treasury in interest precisely what it costs now, no matter what happens to interest rates in the future. It’s only newly issued debt that will change in coupon
So interest rates going up for a little bit aren’t that much of a problem. If they go up by those five percentage points and stay there for decades then yes, they would be an expensive problem to deal with. But by far the most interesting point he makes is this:
‘I could see long-term renegotiations where we borrow long-term at very low rates,’ he said. ‘We do need money to rebuild the infrastructure of our country.’
‘I don’t want to renegotiate the bonds, but I think you can do discounting,’ he said when asked about sovereign bonds. ‘I think depending on where interest rates are, I think you can buy back. I’m not talking about with a renegotiation, but you can buy back at discounts — you can do things at discounts.’
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
It can be done, that's all you need to know. It's an option even if it's the worst option all should be considered.
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Originally Posted By CHARBACK⏩
none of it makes sense, at all. reread what he said, watch the video. If the interest rates escalate, prices for the lower interest bonds drop, follow so far? then jumping at that price fall, you're going to need the spare $$. so...borrowing money at a higher rate to retire bonds at the lower rate (US -><- deficit financing for the recent 10+ years) is absolutely asinine . This is clear proof that this buffoon knows next to nothing about debt. Just enough to get us in trouble - see the mismanagement of his casinos. i dont care how many ive league economy degrees his old man's donations helped generate, this is hilariousHe has an Ivy league education in Econ. Read through all of what he said, it all makes sense.
Please explain how he is inept and blundering.
Please explain how he is inept and blundering.
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The Misc is full of retarded Conservatives, OP.
You'll never be able to explain how stupid Trump is to them.
You'll never be able to explain how stupid Trump is to them.
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Originally Posted By freekid2002⏩
I'm not ploughing through all the tard responses, but it's true. It's the worlds reserve currency. China holds trillions of green. If America wants, it's got the world by the nuts at least short medium term. Then Long term East Asia financially nukes the rest of the world but we'll all be dead / Ceo retired on an island by then so who cares.I never paid much attention to this guy but I just lost it when i saw this
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/09/po...inkId=24281059
Does this fat fuk even have a brain? Holy fuking ****. How can anyone support this ignorant cuck?
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/09/po...inkId=24281059
Does this fat fuk even have a brain? Holy fuking ****. How can anyone support this ignorant cuck?
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Originally Posted By NVious⏩
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst.../#4aca824f27aa
However, Trump warned that America’s huge $19 trillion of debt could be harder to pay off if rates go up.
‘If interest rates go up one percent, that’s devastating,’ the presumptive GOP nominee for president said. ‘What happens if that interest rate goes up 2, 3, 4 points? We don’t have a country.’
That’s not quite as true as he’s making out. It depends on the maturity profile of the debt. Treasuries that have already been issued to not change their coupon as a result of interest rates going up.
A little explanation here: Coupon is the interest rate written on the bond, in the contract. Yield is the interest rate if you buy it at today’s price. If today’s price is par (or 100, or 100% of the original price) then the coupon and the yield are the same. When interest rates change the yield and the price will change of already extant bonds but the coupon will remain exactly the same. Thus already existing debt will cost the Treasury in interest precisely what it costs now, no matter what happens to interest rates in the future. It’s only newly issued debt that will change in coupon
So interest rates going up for a little bit aren’t that much of a problem. If they go up by those five percentage points and stay there for decades then yes, they would be an expensive problem to deal with. But by far the most interesting point he makes is this:
‘I could see long-term renegotiations where we borrow long-term at very low rates,’ he said. ‘We do need money to rebuild the infrastructure of our country.’
‘I don’t want to renegotiate the bonds, but I think you can do discounting,’ he said when asked about sovereign bonds. ‘I think depending on where interest rates are, I think you can buy back. I’m not talking about with a renegotiation, but you can buy back at discounts — you can do things at discounts.’
Foolish peasants trying to stump the Trump
However, Trump warned that America’s huge $19 trillion of debt could be harder to pay off if rates go up.
‘If interest rates go up one percent, that’s devastating,’ the presumptive GOP nominee for president said. ‘What happens if that interest rate goes up 2, 3, 4 points? We don’t have a country.’
That’s not quite as true as he’s making out. It depends on the maturity profile of the debt. Treasuries that have already been issued to not change their coupon as a result of interest rates going up.
A little explanation here: Coupon is the interest rate written on the bond, in the contract. Yield is the interest rate if you buy it at today’s price. If today’s price is par (or 100, or 100% of the original price) then the coupon and the yield are the same. When interest rates change the yield and the price will change of already extant bonds but the coupon will remain exactly the same. Thus already existing debt will cost the Treasury in interest precisely what it costs now, no matter what happens to interest rates in the future. It’s only newly issued debt that will change in coupon
So interest rates going up for a little bit aren’t that much of a problem. If they go up by those five percentage points and stay there for decades then yes, they would be an expensive problem to deal with. But by far the most interesting point he makes is this:
‘I could see long-term renegotiations where we borrow long-term at very low rates,’ he said. ‘We do need money to rebuild the infrastructure of our country.’
‘I don’t want to renegotiate the bonds, but I think you can do discounting,’ he said when asked about sovereign bonds. ‘I think depending on where interest rates are, I think you can buy back. I’m not talking about with a renegotiation, but you can buy back at discounts — you can do things at discounts.’
Foolish peasants trying to stump the Trump
Why would you post that article? Yourealize Trump is totally contradicting himself right?
You Trump supporters are something else
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Originally Posted By BunkMoreland⏩
He did say he wants to buy back discounted bonds if interest rates go up but when did he say he wants to buy discounted bonds back by borrowing money at a higher rate? lolnone of it makes sense, at all. reread what he said, watch the video. If the interest rates escalate, prices for the lower interest bonds drop, follow so far? then jumping at that price fall, you're going to need the spare $$. so...borrowing money at a higher rate to retire bonds at the lower rate (US -><- deficit financing for the recent 10+ years) is absolutely asinine . This is clear proof that this buffoon knows next to nothing about debt. Just enough to get us in trouble - see the mismanagement of his casinos. i dont care how many ive league economy degrees his old man's donations helped generate, this is hilarious
05-09-2016, 01:30 PM
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Anyone who doesn't support Trump is a moron and a cuck.
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05-09-2016, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted By freekid2002⏩
2D peasant thinking strikes again.You Trump supporters are something else
The article corroborates what he said, seeing as the world reserve currency is the US dollar, you don't have to default....you just do as he says, print money and everyone takes a massive haircut.
OR
You do as he originally said and restructure it and everyone is better off for it:
1.Foreign nations get more money
2.Currency isn't devalued
3.World economy doesn't crash
What he originally said sounds like a threat to do 3 when in reality it does 1/2.
What he said now is exactly how delusional Keynesian degenerates like Krugman/Greenspan/Yellen think, unfortunately it would do all 3.
Let me leave you with a 4D lesson from his book:
2. Protect the downside and the upside will take care of itself
"I always go into the deal anticipating the worst. If you plan for the worst--if you can live with the worst--the good will always take care of itself."
I.e you can either crash the economy, destroy the dollar AND countries don't even get full value on their loans....or you can restructure it in a way that keeps everyone happy
3. Maximize the options
"I never get too attached to one deal or one approach...I keep a lot of balls in the air, because most deals fall out, no matter how promising they seem at first."
So what does the world want?
5. Use your leverage
"The worst thing you can possibly do in a deal is seem desperate to make it. That makes the other guy smell blood, and then you're dead."
Lmfao @ the rest of the world if they think they have leverage with America...as Trump said which pissed off the Eurocucks and the ADL....AMERICA First
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Originally Posted By PastorGaines⏩
i could finally sleep on a bed made of moneyI'm not sure if you're trolling or just retarded. Do you understand what would happen if $20 trillion USD was suddenly printed and injected into the economy?
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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Originally Posted By Kalmah6661⏩
im sorry are libs less retarded somehow? derpThe Misc is full of retarded Conservatives, OP.
You'll never be able to explain how stupid Trump is to them.
You'll never be able to explain how stupid Trump is to them.
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05-09-2016, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By blckndyllw⏩
no she won't.. she is very disliked also.. a little less disliked than trump but still pretty disliked..Lol. Hillary will win in a landslide
once Trump starts in on her and meets her at debates.. its over boyo..
he's going to be calling her a Felon 24/7 lol
05-09-2016, 03:26 PM
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"He was asking me a theoretical, or just a question in theory, and I talked about it only from that standpoint. Of course not. And that was done, he said, you know, I guess it was theoretically, but he was asking me a rhetorical question, and I gave an answer. And by the way, people thought from an academic standpoint, and asked rhetorically, people said that answer was an unbelievable academic answer. But of course not, and I said that afterwards. Everybody understands that."
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05-09-2016, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted By Lazerix⏩
Most politicians are disliked, one of them always wins though.no she won't.. she is very disliked also.. a little less disliked than trump but still pretty disliked..
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Originally Posted By f00d⏩
Because if You have the lower body and you have no upper body, you got a problem building...wait a minute. You have the upper body, and you have no legs, you got a problem building your legs. You have the upper...you have the lower body and you don't have the upper body, the upper body, it is easier to build. So if you have the lower body and you don't have the upper body, it is easier to build the upper body. You have the upper body and you don't have the legs, you got a problem building the lower body... No, you don't understand. You have the upper body, but you don't have the lower body, you got a problem building downstairs. You got the up- legs on the bottom, it is easier to build on the top, so you don't have much as a problem. Yeah."He was asking me a theoretical, or just a question in theory, and I talked about it only from that standpoint. Of course not. And that was done, he said, you know, I guess it was theoretically, but he was asking me a rhetorical question, and I gave an answer. And by the way, people thought from an academic standpoint, and asked rhetorically, people said that answer was an unbelievable academic answer. But of course not, and I said that afterwards. Everybody understands that."
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Originally Posted By NLnemesis⏩
And this is srs
Yes. Electing Clinton would be a sure way of signal the world that we are indeed a low IQ nation.And this is srs
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Originally Posted By StiffSproles⏩
Gary Johnson so our IQ will be 180.Yes. Electing Clinton would be a sure way of signal the world that we are indeed a low IQ nation.
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Originally Posted By freekid2002⏩
What do you think Obama has been doing all this time brah? Printing money buddy boyo. rofl @ libtardsI never paid much attention to this guy but I just lost it when i saw this
Does this fat fuk even have a brain? Holy fuking ****. How can anyone support this ignorant cuck?
Does this fat fuk even have a brain? Holy fuking ****. How can anyone support this ignorant cuck?
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Originally Posted By Lazerix⏩
I totally forgot that name calling works, and that nobody has ever accused Hillary of being a criminal before! Brilliant!no she won't.. she is very disliked also.. a little less disliked than trump but still pretty disliked..
once Trump starts in on her and meets her at debates.. its over boyo..
he's going to be calling her a Felon 24/7 lol
once Trump starts in on her and meets her at debates.. its over boyo..
he's going to be calling her a Felon 24/7 lol
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Originally Posted By NLnemesis⏩
And this is srs
who is laughing? angela merkel? sweden? putin? cuck trudeau?And this is srs
just LOL
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Originally Posted By Malversation⏩
It still doesn't put money in circulation. Banks hold huge amounts of treasuries. Let's say the fed buys back all that debt. The banks get cash. How does that hyper inflate anything? Instead of being a treasury now it's cash yielding barely anything. The bank can't just give cash out, it has to loan it. Strong comprehension of how banking works in this thread.Some people commented on money printing.. The reason why this didn't actually hit anything is because, the m2 created didn't suffice with a decently high MZM Velocity. Which means the money isn't being used.. Paying back the actual debt (all of it) via money printing would put that money in circulation as opposed to just interest sitting at the Fed thus causing actual inflation.
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Originally Posted By EboBebo⏩
Strong knowledge on what monetary velocity is, shown in this post. You do realize I was saying that the reason why the increase in m2 (monetary supply) didn't result in inflation is because the money wasn't actively being used/circulated, right?It still doesn't put money in circulation. Banks hold huge amounts of treasuries. Let's say the fed buys back all that debt. The banks get cash. How does that hyper inflate anything? Instead of being a treasury now it's cash yielding barely anything. The bank can't just give cash out, it has to loan it. Strong comprehension of how banking works in this thread.
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