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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
Patience is key, then.I'm absolutely not at my limit. I may have only gained 2-3lbs of muscle over the last few years but I can look back on those years and pick apart all the things I've done that have been less than perfect (diet, sleep, managing stress, pre-habbing potential injuries, training intensity, ect..)
The growth will certainly slow but the more time you can dedicate to perfecting every variable the more likely things will move in a positive direction.
The growth will certainly slow but the more time you can dedicate to perfecting every variable the more likely things will move in a positive direction.
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This is especially true when jelqing with a partner
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You'll never get any youtube subscribers with this logic.
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Originally Posted By LeakyQuesadilla⏩
There is a big difference between moving weight with a movement and getting the proper contraction out of a specific muscle group during that same movement.'mind - muscle connection'
LOLOL
can't take anyone seriously who uses that bullshyt word.
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can't take anyone seriously who uses that bullshyt word.
A lift like the squat or deadlift doesn't matter because you can just focus on moving the weight and targeted muscles WILL get worked. A movement like the benchpress or lat pulldown though is another story entirely. There is a difference from doing a lat pulldown and grabbing the bar with some weight and pulling it down to you. And grabbing the bar and flexing the lats/contracting the lats fully.
Originally Posted By PaiNXx93⏩
If you progressively overload that 10 rep set of a smith incline press you will, in fact, get stronger.You wont get stronger from doing 10 Rep Sets of Smith Incline Press, FACT. Heavy dumbbells / barbells are required to get stronger (even if the form isnt 100% on point)
Some people have good genetics and can just screw around in the gym and put on size/muscle. Others need to find what works for them. It took me YEARS to appreciate machines/cables. I haven't used a DB or BB for chest in quite a long time and my joints are loving me for it and my chest is better then ever. I'm not sure what I bench but I don't care. My shoulders feel amazing. I never felt I could hit chest on machines until I really learned that you have to focus on the contraction during the movement and if don't have to use the machines entire ROM because you'll lose tension at certain points. As for arms I don't lift heavy at all. High reps + super sets. No more tendonitis + arms look great.
I can get a better workout in with lighter weights, higher reps, and super sets.
07-22-2016, 11:44 AM
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it's idiotic non natties like you who spew this garbage
bad form on barbell lifts = bad muscle recruitment and more of a chance to get injured. Man lands on moon.
However PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD is the key to building muscle no matter the medium.
Stupid ideas like the "mind muscle connection" only serve to send the beginners on a wild goose chase.
When any trainee builds a decent amount of muscle, he or she WILL experience a pump in their chest granted they are benching with proper form.
When you do a pullup, its basically IMPOSSIBLE not to use your back muscles. When you row with good form, it's basically impossible to not use your back muscles.
Instead of focusing on "mind muscle connection", you lot should be focusing on PROGRESSING with good form.
It's like focusing on the 1% over focusing on the 99%. Completely idiotic
NO CHIT they shouldn't handle weights they are not capable of and then cheat with them.
bad form on barbell lifts = bad muscle recruitment and more of a chance to get injured. Man lands on moon.
However PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD is the key to building muscle no matter the medium.
Stupid ideas like the "mind muscle connection" only serve to send the beginners on a wild goose chase.
When any trainee builds a decent amount of muscle, he or she WILL experience a pump in their chest granted they are benching with proper form.
When you do a pullup, its basically IMPOSSIBLE not to use your back muscles. When you row with good form, it's basically impossible to not use your back muscles.
Instead of focusing on "mind muscle connection", you lot should be focusing on PROGRESSING with good form.
It's like focusing on the 1% over focusing on the 99%. Completely idiotic
NO CHIT they shouldn't handle weights they are not capable of and then cheat with them.
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Beautiful post.There is a big difference between moving weight with a movement and getting the proper contraction out of a specific muscle group during that same movement.
A lift like the squat or deadlift doesn't matter because you can just focus on moving the weight and targeted muscles WILL get worked. A movement like the benchpress or lat pulldown though is another story entirely. There is a difference from doing a lat pulldown and grabbing the bar with some weight and pulling it down to you. And grabbing the bar and flexing the lats/contracting the lats fully.
If you progressively overload that 10 rep set of a smith incline press you will, in fact, get stronger.
Some people have good genetics and can just screw around in the gym and put on size/muscle. Others need to find what works for them. It took me YEARS to appreciate machines/cables. I haven't used a DB or BB for chest in quite a long time and my joints are loving me for it and my chest is better then ever. I'm not sure what I bench but I don't care. My shoulders feel amazing. As for arms I don't lift heavy at all. High reps + super sets. No more tendonitis + arms look great.
I can get a better workout in with lighter weights, higher reps, and super sets.
A lift like the squat or deadlift doesn't matter because you can just focus on moving the weight and targeted muscles WILL get worked. A movement like the benchpress or lat pulldown though is another story entirely. There is a difference from doing a lat pulldown and grabbing the bar with some weight and pulling it down to you. And grabbing the bar and flexing the lats/contracting the lats fully.
If you progressively overload that 10 rep set of a smith incline press you will, in fact, get stronger.
Some people have good genetics and can just screw around in the gym and put on size/muscle. Others need to find what works for them. It took me YEARS to appreciate machines/cables. I haven't used a DB or BB for chest in quite a long time and my joints are loving me for it and my chest is better then ever. I'm not sure what I bench but I don't care. My shoulders feel amazing. As for arms I don't lift heavy at all. High reps + super sets. No more tendonitis + arms look great.
I can get a better workout in with lighter weights, higher reps, and super sets.
Originally Posted By corvade⏩
Can't say there was any value in this post. Moving on.it's idiotic non natties like you who spew this garbage
bad form on barbell lifts = bad muscle recruitment and more of a chance to get injured. Man lands on moon.
However PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD is the key to building muscle no matter the medium.
Stupid ideas like the "mind muscle connection" only serve to send the beginners on a wild goose chase.
When any trainee builds a decent amount of muscle, he or she WILL experience a pump in their chest granted they are benching with proper form.
When you do a pullup, its basically IMPOSSIBLE not to use your back muscles. When you row with good form, it's basically impossible to not use your back muscles.
Instead of focusing on "mind muscle connection", you lot should be focusing on PROGRESSING with good form.
It's like focusing on the 1% over focusing on the 99%. Completely idiotic
NO CHIT they shouldn't handle weights they are not capable of and then cheat with them.
bad form on barbell lifts = bad muscle recruitment and more of a chance to get injured. Man lands on moon.
However PROGRESSIVE OVERLOAD is the key to building muscle no matter the medium.
Stupid ideas like the "mind muscle connection" only serve to send the beginners on a wild goose chase.
When any trainee builds a decent amount of muscle, he or she WILL experience a pump in their chest granted they are benching with proper form.
When you do a pullup, its basically IMPOSSIBLE not to use your back muscles. When you row with good form, it's basically impossible to not use your back muscles.
Instead of focusing on "mind muscle connection", you lot should be focusing on PROGRESSING with good form.
It's like focusing on the 1% over focusing on the 99%. Completely idiotic
NO CHIT they shouldn't handle weights they are not capable of and then cheat with them.
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
This was my chest day example:mind posting up your routines op?
Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
I use a basic bro split:This is hard to say because they're all very different but I'll use my last chest workout as an example if you're actually curious.
Excluding warm up sets
Smith Machine Incline
4 sets 10 reps
1 set 3 partial reps (from chest to half way up) - > 1 full rep repeated 3x
Drop set for 20 reps
Short rest -> 5 pause reps
Flat Hammer Strength Machine Press
4 sets 10-16 reps (don't actually count and rest kept short)
1 set iso-lateral alternating left right (scheme is 3 reps done on left, right held under tension, 3 reps done on right, left held under tension and repeat til near failure)
High Cable Flies
4-5 sets short rest between sets and reps between 10-16
Used varying angles on the high cable flies
Dip machine superset with Overhead Cable Pullover (similar motion to lying DB pullover)
3 sets on each, no rest between sets, reps 10+
Excluding warm up sets
Smith Machine Incline
4 sets 10 reps
1 set 3 partial reps (from chest to half way up) - > 1 full rep repeated 3x
Drop set for 20 reps
Short rest -> 5 pause reps
Flat Hammer Strength Machine Press
4 sets 10-16 reps (don't actually count and rest kept short)
1 set iso-lateral alternating left right (scheme is 3 reps done on left, right held under tension, 3 reps done on right, left held under tension and repeat til near failure)
High Cable Flies
4-5 sets short rest between sets and reps between 10-16
Used varying angles on the high cable flies
Dip machine superset with Overhead Cable Pullover (similar motion to lying DB pullover)
3 sets on each, no rest between sets, reps 10+
Chest, Back, Shoulders, Arms, Legs, (offday or repeat split).
Alternating each round through with a heavy focus or light/moderate weight focus.
There's just so much I change week by week it would be impossible to list a routine for any bodypart and say that's representative of the majority of the lifts I do for that day/bodypart.
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agreed with you until you said smith machine/ machines brah
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I didn't set aside my ego and I tore a quad
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Squat: 630 (sleeves)
Deadlift: 735 (straps)
Strict OHP: 330
Log Clean & Press: 360
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Originally Posted By HockeyBacon18⏩
Whatever floats your boat m8. If there was 1 cookie cutter routine hands down better than the rest we'd all be doing it.agreed with you until you said smith machine/ machines brah
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
typical cell tech split just sayingThis was my chest day example:
I use a basic bro split:
Chest, Back, Shoulders, Arms, Legs, (offday or repeat split).
Alternating each round through with a heavy focus or light/moderate weight focus.
There's just so much I change week by week it would be impossible to list a routine for any bodypart and say that's representative of the majority of the lifts I do for that day/bodypart.
I use a basic bro split:
Chest, Back, Shoulders, Arms, Legs, (offday or repeat split).
Alternating each round through with a heavy focus or light/moderate weight focus.
There's just so much I change week by week it would be impossible to list a routine for any bodypart and say that's representative of the majority of the lifts I do for that day/bodypart.
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Poor kid cant help himself ^

I wish you a speedy recovery and I'm sure you'll bounce back stronger and more motivated.
Originally Posted By Lpenny⏩
Saw that video, ouchI didn't set aside my ego and I tore a quad

I wish you a speedy recovery and I'm sure you'll bounce back stronger and more motivated.
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
Not sure if trolling or...?I don't even bother with barbell or dumbbells 90% of the time - machines, cables, or smith with good volume and intensity techniques = mind blowing chest workouts for example.
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I'd agree with you OP, there is certainly a role for it. Not to mention the research showing that specific intent on a muscle group while it's being worked increases fiber activation so there is some scientific backing for your statements.
It's a tool in the toolbox. Some use it exceptionally well for their goals. Others have different goals or mindsets and thus will require different methodology. Doesn't make OP wrong but it doesn't make you right either. Respect the differences in opinion and be willing to look at other options with an open mind, you just might learn something.
Repped for actually understanding muscular physiology.
It's a tool in the toolbox. Some use it exceptionally well for their goals. Others have different goals or mindsets and thus will require different methodology. Doesn't make OP wrong but it doesn't make you right either. Respect the differences in opinion and be willing to look at other options with an open mind, you just might learn something.
Originally Posted By PaddleBunt⏩
Scientifically this information is false. All muscle fibers despite their typology will experience hypertrophy so long as time under load is adequate to stimulate sufficient rate coding.

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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
awesome thanks. i have been more focused on form lately too and using pauses and super sets. youre on spread so no reps today but ill get youThis was my chest day example:
I use a basic bro split:
Chest, Back, Shoulders, Arms, Legs, (offday or repeat split).
Alternating each round through with a heavy focus or light/moderate weight focus.
There's just so much I change week by week it would be impossible to list a routine for any bodypart and say that's representative of the majority of the lifts I do for that day/bodypart.
I use a basic bro split:
Chest, Back, Shoulders, Arms, Legs, (offday or repeat split).
Alternating each round through with a heavy focus or light/moderate weight focus.
There's just so much I change week by week it would be impossible to list a routine for any bodypart and say that's representative of the majority of the lifts I do for that day/bodypart.
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Pretty sure you are either "sumplimenting" or just a natty freak of nature. ANY routine would probably work for you.
I'll stick with the progressive overload with free weights and good form camp.
I'll stick with the progressive overload with free weights and good form camp.
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What brand of creatine does OP use?
Good thread op, have a rep.
Good thread op, have a rep.
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this should just be common sense
"heavy" is relative. as long as you are feeling your muscles work you are doing it right, regardless of the weight
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"heavy" is relative. as long as you are feeling your muscles work you are doing it right, regardless of the weight
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Originally Posted By Lpenny⏩
I didn't set aside my ego and I tore a quad

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yeah,
I guess I will just take your word for it,
grandpa.
brb benching 3 plates 3/4 of a rep one quarter of a time.
yeah,
I guess I will just take your word for it,
grandpa.
brb benching 3 plates 3/4 of a rep one quarter of a time.
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Originally Posted By TooAnabolic⏩
This is the post I relate with most in this thread. Every workout I'll go totally balls out on one set of my main compound sets. If I'm doing a triple on bench I could care less if my ass comes off the bench a little on my last rep. The next time I attempt that lift I'll be stronger and my form will hold up better. Of course after this I'm doing isolation work.For naturals there needs to be a balance between strength and contractions.
My form is pretty much perfect on everything and so are my contractions but I do prefer to start with a heavier compound movement at every session. After that I do machines, cables, etc.
Best of both worlds.
My form is pretty much perfect on everything and so are my contractions but I do prefer to start with a heavier compound movement at every session. After that I do machines, cables, etc.
Best of both worlds.
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
People on this site are so bought into the idea that the only way to progressive overload is to add more weight. Dont waste your time. Tell them to control the weight or change the tempo and they lose their minds.Please show me where I mentioned that you must go light and to disregard progressive overload...
With that said though i disagree slightly. I think people need to find what their body responds best to. For legs and shoulders I feel that a little "ego" lifting like on behind the neck ohp or some squats is actually beneficial, but obviously i build up to that and then follow it up with dropsets.
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Originally Posted By MikeWines⏩
i don't see you getting that m.s. in physio anytime soonRepped for actually understanding muscular physiology.
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I agree but I personally avoid machines at all costs. Working those stabilizer muscles are extremely important. Sure, if you are on a ton of gear you can just go in the gym and mess around on machines and see decent results, but not natural athletes. Since most people are talking about chest, I usually just stick to the main compound movements but to do 10-12 reps with good form. Barbell bench press, incline bench press, incline flies and cable crossovers to finish. I just use a pyramid system. Since I've cut out machines and added mostly free weight stuff my physique (especially my core and shoulders) has gotten significantly more aesthetic.
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Completely agreed with OP,
Been natural for the last year now, and am sitting around the current weight of my peak(when I was on) 265ish...
Tons of volume, slow reps, light weight. Took a LONG time to recover but finally been feeling amazing the last 3-4 months.
Been natural for the last year now, and am sitting around the current weight of my peak(when I was on) 265ish...
Tons of volume, slow reps, light weight. Took a LONG time to recover but finally been feeling amazing the last 3-4 months.
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