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Thread: Just another incident of a cop shooting someones dog......

post 1462530213 09-16-2016, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted By Rayzor84⏩
I wouldn't care. It would be me or him, I'd snap at that point. Obviously I'd wait until his gun was away before I made a move.

And my dog has fear based aggression. I've worked with behaviorists for a couple years and it helped quite a bit, but he still gets afraid when people he doesn't know come to the door. So maybe you should consider the situation before passing judgement you fukking loser. Deconditioning a fear based dog is the hardest thing to do in canine behavior modification. Peasant.

Honestly the word "privilege" gets thrown around alot, often without any basis or validity but cops are the one "group" where a sense of privilege absolutely does exist and is constantly taken advantage of.
Oh yeah real tough guy-you would be in such a crazy rage you would wait until the cop had his weapon holstered & then calmly shoot him dead like a coward.

Maybe you should have bought a dog who didn't have that, your dog is probably scared because by this post you are obviously an aggressive person, you probably shout at it non-stop & kick it regularly, probably chain it up to the back fence all day in the boiling heat like a true meathead.

Yeah cops are all evil, every citizen is upstanding etc.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
sure you would
Think we can see why his dog has issues.
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
I like how the video ends with the cop entering her residence after she tells them to leave. They never once say they have a warrant or anything.
where does it say anywhere that cops can only enter a house for a warrant? go back to HS social studies please
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
lmao its quite clear you know nothing of police work, so now when confronted with something they should remove themselves from the situation? strong blame shifting. Cops were there legally and it is the dog owners responsibility to secure the dog, not the ither way around. No the cops were not on edge anymore than they always are. Cop had every right to push the door open to observe what was going on.
When did I say remove themselves from the situation? I said back away from the entryway. Again, they aren't pursuing a wanted suspect or executing a warrant, why do they have to be RIGHT UP at the doorstep if they're just having a follow-up conversation? They could have just as easily backed away and called the owner and still maintained control over the situation.

I don't have extensive knowledge of police work or their SOP but neither you nor Will have really given me any help as far as providing legitimate insight.

The owner had a responsibility to secure the dog, yes, but the cops also never gave them a chance. They also have a responsibility to engage the situation with whatever options are available to them BEFORE resorting to deadly force. The issue I have is that the cops did nothing to engage the situation in any way other than to further escalate and instantly deploy deadly force.
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where does it say anywhere that cops can only enter a house for a warrant? go back to HS social studies please
The Supreme Court has ruled that the home is entitled to maximum search protection. Even if they have probable cause to believe something illegal is going on inside your home, the 4th Amendment requires police to get a signed search warrant from a judge to legally enter and search.

They can also enter if you give them explicit permission to, which the girl clearly did not.
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God damn police are such pussies these days. We need brave men to enforce the law, not scared bitches with guns. In fact, cops should not even have a side arm, if you need to kill someone you get a rifle from your car or call swat. We need to develop a body armor that is impenetrable to small arms fire and dogs so cops can issue a ****ing ticket without squeezing off six rounds because they are TERRIFIED that they are going to get hurt or killed.
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
Oh yeah real tough guy-you would be in such a crazy rage you would wait until the cop had his weapon holstered & then calmly shoot him dead like a coward.

Maybe you should have bought a dog who didn't have that, your dog is probably scared because by this post you are obviously an aggressive person, you probably shout at it non-stop & kick it regularly, probably chain it up to the back fence all day in the boiling heat like a true meathead.

Yeah cops are all evil, every citizen is upstanding etc.
Actually I've never raised a hand to my dog, I hardly even yelled at him. Positive reinforcement, lots of attention and exercise. Nice attempt at trying to rile me up tho, but it didn't work because you obviously know absolutely nothing about animal behavior issues.

I reserve aggression for humans. Particularly choads like you.
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Reports say dog is ALIVE and WELL!! Still recovering though..
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
You can train a dog to still be protective, but so that it isn't barking & growling anytime somebody comes to the door. That is the problem with a lot of dog owner nowadays-they get bored of training after a week or two when it takes months, cannot be bothered cleaning up after it so they let it crap on the pavements or outside peoples houses & just walk away, don't train them so they go out all day & the then neighbours have to put up with non-stop barking & whining etc.
While I agree with you as far as training, barking/growling @ people that come to the door is different than baking/growling at someone who is pushing the front door open, with no one familiar at the door. That's like saying it's unreasonable for someone to defend themselves if you saw someone opening your front door without your consent. Obviously you wouldn't shoot a stranger who knocks on the door, but uninvited opening? I'd definitely try to defend myself

and before you say they weren't intruding or anything...the dog doesn't know that. It doesn't understand what police officers are, or guns are, or anything like that. There was a pretty long space of time between the owner leaving and the dog showing up.
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thats the owners responsibility not the cops...
I won't disagree that the owner should have made sure the dog was secured before even opening the door...it's what I would have done if I didn't know who was at the door.

But I don't think we'll ever agree that the cops are blameless in this situation.
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Reports say dog is ALIVE and WELL!! Still recovering though..
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
where does it say anywhere that cops can only enter a house for a warrant? go back to HS social studies please
Lmao you would probably let the cop come in rape your ass then you would thank him
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It's no surprise that untrained government workers continue to make mistakes like this. Many cops go through bullchit training nowadays and have no idea how to deescalate force in any situation. People not able to understand this are just as retarded as the die hard libs saying that all cops are chitty people.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
lmao its quite clear you know nothing of police work, so now when confronted with something they should remove themselves from the situation? strong blame shifting. Cops were there legally and it is the dog owners responsibility to secure the dog, not the ither way around. No the cops were not on edge anymore than they always are. Cop had every right to push the door open to observe what was going on.
Lol a dumb unionized LEO showing his lack of training. Cops can look through a window but they can not open doors unless the see illegal activity. She tried closing the door he caught it and opened it. That is 100% on him.
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Originally Posted By Benihanas⏩
When did I say remove themselves from the situation? I said back away from the entryway. Again, they aren't pursuing a wanted suspect or executing a warrant, why do they have to be RIGHT UP at the doorstep if they're just having a follow-up conversation? They could have just as easily backed away and called the owner and still maintained control over the situation.

I don't have extensive knowledge of police work or their SOP but neither you nor Will have really given me any help as far as providing legitimate insight.

The owner had a responsibility to secure the dog, yes, but the cops also never gave them a chance. They also have a responsibility to engage the situation with whatever options are available to them BEFORE resorting to deadly force. The issue I have is that the cops did nothing to engage the situation in any way other than to further escalate and instantly deploy deadly force.



The Supreme Court has ruled that the home is entitled to maximum search protection. Even if they have probable cause to believe something illegal is going on inside your home, the 4th Amendment requires police to get a signed search warrant from a judge to legally enter and search.

They can also enter if you give them explicit permission to, which the girl clearly did not.
they did back away the dog charge the cop idiot

several exemptions to the warrant requirement

http://nationalparalegal.edu/conLawC...WarrantReq.asp
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Originally Posted By Griggz⏩
It's no surprise that untrained government workers continue to make mistakes like this. Many cops go through bullchit training nowadays and have no idea how to deescalate force in any situation. People not able to understand this are just as retarded as the die hard libs saying that all cops are chitty people.
Nah it's ok tho bc there's always a following of rednecks that'll support cops no matter how ridiculous they act. Proof ITT.
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Originally Posted By TrueForester⏩
Lol a dumb unionized LEO showing his lack of training. Cops can look through a window but they can not open doors unless the see illegal activity. She tried closing the door he caught it and opened it. That is 100% on him.
lmao no, she left it open and he pushed it open the rest of the way...nothing illegal about that halfwit
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
Lmao you would probably let the cop come in rape your ass then you would thank him
He is a cop. Seen him protect his "brothers" no matter what on the misc. But the blue wall of silence isn't real?
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Lol at that bitch crying like a baby at the end, took that to wake her out of her drug induced stupour. The comment from her that the dog was her best friend says it all, it is a pet not a human being. It is not supposed to be your friend/your equal-you are supposed to be in charge of the house, not letting the dog take control as they are predisposed to do if you don't train them properly & guess what-if you weren't harbouring your druggie, criminal relative then the cops wouldn't be there at all.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
lmao no, she left it open and he pushed it open the rest of the way...nothing illegal about that halfwit
The door had the momentum to shut. The cop stopped it from shutting and opened it. That is using force to gain entry and open a door.
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By the way look at this page from her sisters mugshot from earlier in the year-look at the tags at the bottom, is that a joke that people can actually suggest rude tags to be added to mugshots?

http://idaho.arrests.org/Arrests/Cry...lden_22100629/
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
lmao no you wouldnt


You "hope" he wouldn't.
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
Lol at that bitch crying like a baby at the end, took that to wake her out of her drug induced stupour. The comment from her that the dog was her best friend says it all, it is a pet not a human being. It is not supposed to be your friend/your equal-you are supposed to be in charge of the house, not letting the dog take control as they are predisposed to do if you don't train them properly & guess what-if you weren't harbouring your criminal relatives then the cops wouldn't be there at all.
Wow. Sociopath detected. What the fuk is wrong with you dude?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
they did back away the dog charge the cop idiot

several exemptions to the warrant requirement

http://nationalparalegal.edu/conLawC...WarrantReq.asp
I like how you're cherry picking from my responses to find the only parts that you can actually raise a point of contention to.

I'm not denying that the dog owner had a responsibility to secure the dog in order to avoid the situation. But I'm sure this isn't something that is a unique situation to cops all over the country. Lots of people have dogs, and I'm sure that there have been times where a dog owner has failed to secure their dog while the cops have been present and the situation was resolved without it being shot.

The cops had the opportunity to react differently in the situation and didn't. They skipped over available actions in favor of immediately resorting to deadly force, which is supposed to be the LAST resort.

That's my main issue here.
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
Lol at that bitch crying like a baby at the end, took that to wake her out of her drug induced stupour. The comment from her that the dog was her best friend says it all, it is a pet not a human being. It is not supposed to be your friend/your equal-you are supposed to be in charge of the house, not letting the dog take control as they are predisposed to do if you don't train them properly & guess what-if you weren't harbouring your criminal relatives then the cops wouldn't be there at all.
You're a useless piece of chit and I wholeheartedly hope you respond to a call and don't see the gun before it's too late. The world needs less people like you.

Ladies and gents, these are the psychopaths representing our police force. No wonder chit like this is constantly being reported. Police privilege, bullied as a child so has a vendetta, probably got the whole works going on.
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Originally Posted By jimbob007⏩
Lol at that bitch crying like a baby at the end, took that to wake her out of her drug induced stupour. The comment from her that the dog was her best friend says it all, it is a pet not a human being. It is not supposed to be your friend/your equal-you are supposed to be in charge of the house, not letting the dog take control as they are predisposed to do if you don't train them properly & guess what-if you weren't harbouring your criminal relatives then the cops wouldn't be there at all.
so what happens when you have kids? kids are human, but you are supposed to be in charge of the house, not their friend.

lol @ not understanding being able to be friends with & control a pet at the same time...
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Originally Posted By Mumra⏩
person says, "I've gotta put my dog up.". Cops call BS, kick in door and shoot everyone.
And then some miscer will say that it's the person's fault for closing the door on a cop.
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Originally Posted By TrueForester⏩
The door had the momentum to shut. The cop stopped it from shutting and opened it. That is using force to gain entry and open a door.
lmfao no it didnt the door was barely moving and it was a cheap ass apartment hollow door, a breeze would have blown it firther open then what the cop did...
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Originally Posted By Griggz⏩
It's no surprise that untrained government workers continue to make mistakes like this. Many cops go through bullchit training nowadays and have no idea how to deescalate force in any situation. People not able to understand this are just as retarded as the die hard libs saying that all cops are chitty people.
It is the unions. Government workers under no circumstances should have unions. Do soldiers have unions? Why do cops and firefighters? It creates a system where training levels aren't raised or tested.

A cop in my town near me killed a old lady during a training exercise on accident. Had a history of mistakes and not following procedures. Still hasn't been charged and the police union has him in a private witness protection program and are "helping him through this tragedy" (exact words)
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Originally Posted By Benihanas⏩
I like how you're cherry picking from my responses to find the only parts that you can actually raise a point of contention to.

I'm not denying that the dog owner had a responsibility to secure the dog in order to avoid the situation. But I'm sure this isn't something that is a unique situation to cops all over the country. Lots of people have dogs, and I'm sure that there have been times where a dog owner has failed to secure their dog while the cops have been present and the situation was resolved without it being shot.

The cops had the opportunity to react differently in the situation and didn't. They skipped over available actions in favor of immediately resorting to deadly force, which is supposed to be the LAST resort.

That's my main issue here.
the dog clearly charged at the cop barking aggressively, your whole "wagging tail" is complete crap as a dog can easily still be attacking with its tail wagging as i already stated the video showing 2 dogs mauling an old man wagging their tails happily. The cops had a lawful reason to be there, not only that but they were in a public place, once the dog goes from private resident into the public that is the fault of the owners. Cops dont "remove themselves from the situation" stupiest thing ive ever heard
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
lmfao no it didnt the door was barely moving and it was a cheap ass apartment hollow door, a breeze would have blown it firther open then what the cop did...
dude shut up. no one gives a fuk what a breeze could have done. point is she had pushed it to close it at least a bit more than it was, and the cop stopped that and pushed it in the other direction.

Do you know what inertia is? do you know what physics is? do you know what F(net)=ma is? it's likely that, had he not pushed it open, the dog would not have came to the door, judging by how much time was in between her leaving and the dog showing up. it's possible that, by doing so, he got the attention of the dog, so the dog was wondering wtf is standing on the other side.

Doesn't fkn matter what would have happened, only what did...
Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
the dog clearly charged at the cop barking aggressively, your whole "wagging tail" is complete crap as a dog can easily still be attacking with its tail wagging as i already stated the video showing 2 dogs mauling an old man wagging their tails happily. The cops had a lawful reason to be there, not only that but they were in a public place, once the dog goes from private resident into the public that is the fault of the owners. Cops dont "remove themselves from the situation" stupiest thing ive ever heard
dogs run up to people for many reasons, barking or not. My dog will charge me just for a treat, but I've never felt the need to shoot him.

As far as the dog going into a public place, please prove that. It didn't go more than 15feet from the door, so unless they lived in a trailer park, it was likely still on their property. I'm pretty sure people pay property taxes for more than just the building itself.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
lmfao no it didnt the door was barely moving and it was a cheap ass apartment hollow door, a breeze would have blown it firther open then what the cop did...
No it wouldn't. But I'll say that one thing should have happened. The cop should have told her to bring the dog with her to lock him up in a room. I understand the whole idea that the officer wants to see inside to ensure that his safety isn't in danger, but you're an idiot if you think the dog should've been killed.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
the dog clearly charged at the cop barking aggressively, your whole "wagging tail" is complete crap as a dog can easily still be attacking with its tail wagging as i already stated the video showing 2 dogs mauling an old man wagging their tails happily. The cops had a lawful reason to be there, not only that but they were in a public place, once the dog goes from private resident into the public that is the fault of the owners. Cops dont "remove themselves from the situation" stupiest thing ive ever heard
Never even said "remove themselves from the situation" in any of my posts. Not once. Learn to read. Everything you're doing here is just giving subjective reasoning as to why they had justification.

It's not just about the tail. It's the entire behavior of the dog. The dog in the video was not displaying aggression at all. You're performing ridiculous mental gymnastics and focusing on subjective elements to try and prove your point. The cops weren't on public land, they were on private land. The doorstep of the apartment complex is still the private property of the complex owner. It's very clear that cops need training on animal behavior if this is your reasoning. Like I said before and you ignored, there are millions of people in America with dogs, and I'm sure situations come up all the time where they aren't secured while the owner is talking to the cops, yet they manage to stay alive.

Nothing you have provided ITT has been concrete reasoning to justify their actions. The only redeemable thing you have stated is that the owners had a responsibility to secure the dog, which is correct, but the cops also have a responsibility to react to certain situations WITHOUT RESORTING INSTANTLY TO DEADLY FORCE.
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