Yes, me too.
Cheaper apartments are often at the lower levels; let them enter in a different entrance. You're paying completely different premiums,'separate but equal' doesn't even apply here lol. It's completely unequal price-wise, therefore it should be separate.

Pretty simple :/

Also, why is the government involved in providing housing?

Thats the beautiful thing (or used to be) about America, you are either living in the streets, somewhere in between, or living in a mansion like donblaximus, but that CHOICE IS UP TO YOU

Because you are lazy or had 5 kids at 22 I should have to pay for your housing? phuck that

If I was some rich bastard I would move out if my building started letting in poor people in the building rent free. I understand that this is a hypothetical question but I have some serious doubts that a high end apartment building would tarnish their image by letting in poor people for free.

Why? Poor people are like cockroaches, they take and take and take and never offer anything in return and never go away

Plenty of legit reason for government housing. Maybe you are a refugee from a war and came here with nothing but the shirt on your back. Doesn't mean you are scum. Some of the most successful people I know grew up in government housing 30 years ago.

America truly is the land of opportunity and I'm proud to be an American, proud to pay my taxes, and proud to contribute in helping those less fortunate. I just ask that the welfare systems are more stringent on ensuring the money is being allocated and used properly so the people that truly do need the assistance get it.

Ahh yes the old "well 1 out of 1000 owns a 7-11 therefore they are all awesome and not parasites" argument.

Lets face the facts brah, 98% of them are leeches and offer nothing in value.

It's funny tho you say you can tell, when even SA's who work in high luxury retail [hermes, chanel, lv, cartier, tco, *****, etc] say they cannot dechiper based on looks who has money and who doesn't]. often times, if you read luxury forums, it's the ones looking like they just walzted out of bed or came from the gym that drop the most cash. you can NEVER judge a book by its cover...

i went to a private school, and one of my closest friends at a public school played on my hockey team, and her mom went to visit our coach...he was legit out in his garden [on his estate*] gardening, and she goes to him...'so jeez, where's the owner of this place? must be a real jerk to keep you out here working these odd hours!'

she had no clue he owned the place, cuz he was in his crocs, tee, and innocuous pants.

again, reiterates my point of always practicing humility and never assuming. 'rich' people are not so far removed from anyone else...we are all humans, after all

money simply gives us freedom...not anything more. our humanity gives us that.

Are you speaking from experience or are you just pulling this out of your arse?

I know plenty of families from the generation before me that are refugees. My wife's parent being one of them. They lived of government assistance for the first few years in the US. They got off as soon as possible and ended up raising a lawyer, pharmacist and an ER doc.

I personally know plenty more stories like this.

The difference is they didn't expect to live in some luxury apartment and if ever given the chance, they would have GLADLY walked through the back entrance and felt great fun for the opportunity.

I think people receiving any government benefits should be drug tested srs. Also there should be a hard cap limit to how long someone can receive welfare. It should be temporary safe net not a lifetime handout.

The SA or reps at Hermes can't tell because if they had the ability to pick out VERY fine detail, they wouldn't be a ****ing sales rep at Hermes or *****. Trust me, I grew up with plentry of hood rats that now are reps at these boutiques. These are not professionals.

It's often pretty easy to tell. It's all in the details.

In your little story, it wouldn't have been hard at all. Like you preach, I'm a big fan of treating everyone with respect. So I always greet people and introduce myself FIRST and ask them how they are doing. It automatically comes out of my mouth at first interaction. Once she had a name that EQ negative mom would have known the dude in the garden was the coach. Not rocket science on that one.

Money is everything, I dont care what anyone says.

Yes people are, but you cant do anything fun with those people without $$$$, and the more the better

Whats the difference with a true professional? To me, theres just something about them. Because I've known professionals that run late always, dress like slobs, cuss, etc., but within their professions they are gods.

I agree. I'm not sure on details but that's what I mean when I say it needs to be more stringent.

I due believe there are always reason why someone might need benefit for life. If you are disabled and it was due to you serving in a war, etc....then I have no problem stroking part of my tax money to take care of that vet for life.

Give me an example of someone who shows up late all the time looking like a slob but is a "God" in their field? Maybe literally a rock star? Artist? Give me an example of someone that holds those characteristics but highly respected? I'm open to the fact that their may be professions out there that would put up with that but I can't put my finger on one.

Doctors

Very unorganized personally, but in the operating room they save lives with minutes to spare. I personally know 2 dudes like this and they make $700k-1mm per year


But I agree with you, the majority are well dressed, good hygiene, on time, good overall habits and behaviors.

They roll into the OR consistently late and sloppy then perform surgery?
No way. Use your own example. "They save lives with MINUTES to spare." For those types, TIME is EVERYTHING
lol at you thinking they roll out of bed whenever they feel like it and show up to their ER shift perpetually late. No way.

I honestly don't give a shiet if you they are dressed nice but being on time or early is a trait most successful WELL RESPECTED professionals have

This one doc, an orthopedic surgeon, harvard MD, best of the best, makes millions, has a 10 story office/surgery center, literally looks like a homeless person, drives a $15k ford focus, no no no chance you could tell who he was.

Its funny because I'll buy him lunch at like Jasons Deli, $12 meal, and its like I bought him a lexus, he doesnt spend a dime and acts broke 24/7

Uhhh yeah you are super confused.

"I mean, I'm having a hard time understanding why you think luxury SAs can't pick up on the subtleties of the rich."
"even SA's who work in high luxury retail [hermes, chanel, lv, cartier, tco, *****, etc] say they cannot dechiper based on looks who has money and who doesn't"

You literally just said these two completely contradicting things in back to back post.

The one trait you mentioned in your initial post that you didnt in this post:

Initial post: "there are rock stars in the Surgery industry that are perpetually late"
My response: "no way can they be always late and be well respected surgeons"
Your response post: Talks about how he acts and looks like a homeless person and drives a normal car. I said nothing about them being humble about money. No way is he always late like you stated in your initial post.

I honestly dont give a schiet what car my surgeon chooses to drive or what sandwhich brand he chooses to eat. But if he doesnt respect time.............

Sorry, forgot to add that YES, he is always late to everything. Even to go eat dinner.

I'm starting to think you are blue collar rich, which is fine.

Arguement? we british now?

Do you mean argument?

BRB perpetually late to surgery where "seconds mean life or death"
Ok then. Im calling complete BS.

I just told you in this very thread my brother in law is an ER doc. I know my fair share of surgeons and the one quality they share is they are always super precise with time.....when it mattered. Joining you to go eat a sandwhich? Who gives a schiet. Performing open heart surgery, you dont roll in 2 hours late.
I never claimed to be rich.

where they forced to use that side entrance?

only read OP. guaranteed OP is for the side entrance and his girlfriend is against it. am i right?

Good cover up for your lack of being able to keep a fluid thought between two post. Perhaps that private school tuition failed your parents. Hilarious how you can completely contradict your thoughts on back to back post.

I have rental property in the villages. But I prefer not to rub elbows with "the affluent"

make them use the same entrance as everyone else so they can't get away with any side door shady ****

lol you're talking 40 riverside aren't you? It's funny because mixed-income properties are for upper middle class, not wealthy Manhattanites. But at 2-3 M a unit, the majority would prefer not to share common areas with residents paying 10k in annual rent. Sure it's elitist, and some might see it in bad taste, but that's the nature of private real estate. It's not any different than 150-300k gross income families insisting on gated communities elsewhere in america. I remember at a point they were fielding like 100k+ applications for the <50 units available, so it's evident separate entrances were not deterring either side of the income fence.

The class divide debate could be fleshed out more in the context of small, wealthy burbs or cities like Chicago, Toronto, Boston, where lack of exclusivity and tenants from a lower socioeconomic background drives down property values. But property in Manhattan is so scarce, exclusivity doesn't factor for the upper middle class who want a piece of UEW/UWS. They updated the 421-a to ban dual entrances, but it has little effect on the popularity of 80/20 developments, even when one demographic of residents is clearly subsidizing luxury features such as doormen/lobbies for the other.

By middle class, I mean they just dress the same as anyone else you would see outside. Their clothes didn't stand out in any fashion, they dress unremarkably for the most part.

And I live in L.A., not Manhattan. But it's a luxury apartment. Several valets, they all know all the residents' names. Lots of security, lots of ultra high end cars in the garage, etc.

^Daisygirl you need to get off your high horse because Blaximus has a point here..whatever you're referring to, it's cities other than NYC. The terms of the rat race here are unlike anything else other than places like Monte Carlo, and it's the reason nearly half the city proper leaves after spending their 20s-40s here. It's incredibly easy to discern the levels between old money, dirty rich, wealthy, upper middle class. Old money can't "dress down" because they don't own clothing to facilitate it...and it's definitely not the accessories. They may forgo familiar logos and favor comfortable shoes, but in terms of material, seams and tailoring, it's obvious. There's no such thing as "relaxing" your reputation or looking innocuous, when someone from the same social echelon knows how to appraise you by the way you sit or your rings, cuffs and the laxity/tightness of your shirt and pants in specific areas. Only SAs/the general public look to obvious indicators of wealth or a lack of it. Why do LA/NYC nouveau riche buy flashy cars/jewelry/handbags and pairing it with obnoxious outfits or slummy clothing? Because they grew up consuming media where celebrities and prominent media figures dress this way. You're crazy if you think dressing like the Roosevelts or Rothschild is common knowledge.

I don't doubt you had a more privileged upbringing than most. But the fact you had any close friends outside independent schools/treat SAs and luxury forums as a reliable point of reference to gauge wealth indicates you've never been exposed to NYC high society. Maybe new money who are surgeons/lawyers/entrepeneurs, but not old. No blue-blood Manhattanite knows anyone who would garden in crocs on a estate they barely spend time in, I'm just saying. And they can instantly pinpoint when you're a non-resident of their building when everyone else - including SAs - are unable to tell the difference.

The luxury apartment should not be offering tax breaks. There is odd idea that people in said income bracketwantto live in luxury apartments...most of them dont or dont really have the choice. This is where the gentrification argument stems from anyway.

Once again, miscs stance on this seems to be unusually vindictive but that seems to be the role they have been told to play by society. Resent those lower down the proverbial ladder than you because they deserve to be in their situation. In another thread they will be complaining about being undercut by those with H1B Visa's because they dont "deserve" to live in American and jobs should be earmarked for Americans...why? Does being an American mean youdeservea job?? Its funny how entitled people are the first to complain about other people's entitlement.