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post 1487775321 03-19-2017, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
Regular folks have even more to lose if things go bad in that kind of situation, can't get on your high horse about them not intervening.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Why not?
Because I don't face the same consequences of not complying with a civilian that I would if I didn't comply with a cop.

If I don't comply to the cop, it will likely escalate the situation in a negative way for me and cause me to get into trouble.

If I don't comply with a civilian, no big deal
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post 1487775551 03-19-2017, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
Because I don't face the same consequences of not complying with a civilian that I would if I didn't comply with a cop.

If I don't comply to the cop, it will likely escalate the situation in a negative way for me and cause me to get into trouble.

If I don't comply with a civilian, no big deal
Cops are civilians*

That's pretty much exactly the same difference in the OP scenario between a cop being attacked and a random private citizen being attacked, because there is a reasonable assumption that a reasonable person can make when there is a uniform police officer involved that you cannot make if it's two regular private citizens
post 1487775771 03-19-2017, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I guess you don't think they should
Textbook example of a strawman argument, by the way.

C'mon farley.
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post 1487775871 03-19-2017, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Cops are civilians*

That's pretty much exactly the same difference in the OP scenario between a cop being attacked and a random private citizen being attacked, because there is a reasonable assumption that a reasonable person can make when there is a uniform police officer involved that you cannot make if it's two regular private citizens
I don't see your point, you shoot the person attacking the cop, but you don't shoot the person attacking another non cop person?
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post 1487776131 03-19-2017, 12:57 PM
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Couldn't he shot him in the leg?

Totally unnecessary to kill him, in Sweden they would've shot the fist out of his hands with their double barreled dildo guns.

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post 1487776271 03-19-2017, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted By ODBM⏩
You just said cops shoot people for sport, troll.
Yea they do. What is your point?
post 1487776491 03-19-2017, 01:02 PM
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Good on the guy for stopping a fight and all, but just saying it wasn't necessary for someone to be killed
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post 1487776951 03-19-2017, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
I don't see your point, you shoot the person attacking the cop, but you don't shoot the person attacking another non cop person?
Depends on the totality of the circumstances. Maybe, maybe not.

But what you don't seem to grasp is that one of the parties involved being a uniform police officer is a huge factor in the scenario, and an otherwise equal scenario without a uniform police officer is never going to be equal or viewed or treated the same by a reasonable person.

And when it comes to using lethal force in defense of a third part, you better at the very least be able to articulate really damn well why you believed what you did. The guy getting beat being a uniform police officer is a pretty damn good case..
post 1487777431 03-19-2017, 01:13 PM
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Wow he must have been very confident in his shooting to shoot at a suspect on top of another person. I don't have any experience with handguns, but I would assume that it is a very difficult to have a precise shot under that much pressure??

At first I thought it was a bit crazy to drop your gun when you in this kind of situation, because you wouldn't know if there's more suspects around. But probably a smart move on his behalf, when back-up arrives, there's a dead man lying on the ground and you're the only one standing there with a gun...things might not go so well for you...
post 1487777601 03-19-2017, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
What the fuk?

People break up fights all the time without having to resort to shooting someone to break up a fight.

Just rugby tackle him off of the cop, hold him down with the cop, wait for backup, cuff em and go about your day.

Am I wrong?
I'm quite the liberal, and hate most of the conservative chest beating that gets thrown around in the Misc but what is the point in trying not to kill this man? He's pinning down an officer. Just shoot the fuker. Don't waste tax money on him keeping him alive in prison. Don't risk your life (he could have a knife, be a black belt, etc).

On the flip side, we have no idea what the cop did either. There are bad cops.

I'd probably be one of the frozen people in the cars.
post 1487777931 03-19-2017, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted By TwoHumpChump⏩
Wow he must have been very confident in his shooting to shoot at a suspect on top of another person. I don't have any experience with handguns, but I would assume that it is a very difficult to have a precise shot under that much pressure??

At first I thought it was a bit crazy to drop your gun when you in this kind of situation, because you wouldn't know if there's more suspects around. But probably a smart move on his behalf, when back-up arrives, there's a dead man lying on the ground and you're the only one standing there with a gun...things might not go so well for you...
That shot would scare the **** out of me in real life and I'm a decent pistol shot.

I don't think dropping the gun was a great idea but if there was a situation to do it, that would probably be it. Since he had it in his hands the whole way up I'll take a guess that he had it in his car and not holstered on his person (I haven't read one way or the other), otherwise holstering it and staying where the embattled cop can see him and point him out to other resopnding officers as a good guy seems like a good move. Just don't want to put your only gun out there where anybody can walk up and get it if you can help it
post 1487778061 03-19-2017, 01:19 PM
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post 1487778201 03-19-2017, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted By Brosnbroc****⏩
Condoning citizens killing other citizens when it could be avoided. You're legit retarded.
Citizens killing scumbags sounds good to most of us.

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post 1487778421 03-19-2017, 01:22 PM
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It's unfortunate for the shooter, he did what needed to be done, but it seems clear it did not effect him positively
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
That shot would scare the **** out of me in real life and I'm a decent pistol shot.

I don't think dropping the gun was a great idea but if there was a situation to do it, that would probably be it. Since he had it in his hands the whole way up I'll take a guess that he had it in his car and not holstered on his person (I haven't read one way or the other), otherwise holstering it and staying where the embattled cop can see him and point him out to other resopnding officers as a good guy seems like a good move. Just don't want to put your only gun out there where anybody can walk up and get it if you can help it
Is there a high chance that a 9mm or .45 bullet could travel through the suspect and cause collateral damage to the cop or surrounding people/objects?
post 1487779841 03-19-2017, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted By TwoHumpChump⏩
Is there a high chance that a 9mm or .45 bullet could travel through the suspect and cause collateral damage to the cop or surrounding people/objects?
High chance, no. A chance, yes. Part of what makes the shot scary. The way the guy was sitting upright with the cop totally flat is about the best you can hope for in that kind of situation regarding a pass-through hitting the cop, though. A high enough shot shouldn't have the officer on the other side of it, ideally. And a defensive pistol should be loaded with JHP which really helps reduce that chance. It's missed shots you have to worry the most about doing collateral damage.
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inb4 snowflakes come in to say "could have shot him in the legs, could have used a taser"
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
What the fuk?

People break up fights all the time without having to resort to shooting someone to break up a fight.

Just rugby tackle him off of the cop, hold him down with the cop, wait for backup, cuff em and go about your day.

Am I wrong?
Yes you are and were mentioned in the OP. Derp.
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
Is a union going to cover a citizen's legal fees if things go south?

Does a citizen have departmental insurance if they're disabled or killed?

Nope.

What does every first responder have drilled into their heads?

Your safety is priority number 1.

Regular folks have even more to lose if things go bad in that kind of situation, can't get on your high horse about them not intervening.
I get it, but...someone who is watching an officer get merked in front of them -- and the above thought process is what dictates their actions -- let it sink in what they'vealreadylost.
Originally Posted By TwoHumpChump⏩
Is there a high chance that a 9mm or .45 bullet could travel through the suspect and cause collateral damage to the cop or surrounding people/objects?
Given the scenario, not as much. If he had self-defense rounds it's very unlikely, and knowing what was behind his target was key. He had a really good angle.
Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
Good on the guy for stopping a fight and all, but just saying it wasn't necessary for someone to be killed
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
I get it, but...someone who is watching an officer get merked in front of them -- and the above thought process is what dictates their actions -- let it sink in what they'vealreadylost.
I think the moment after taking a shot to the gut would be a really bad time to first consider what you would rather live with... watching someone else die, or being killed yourself and leaving nobody to provide for your own family.
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Originally Posted By Kiknskreem⏩
And dhawkeye would never in a million years call one an ******* for not doing so... just point out "that's not their job... they're just there to enforce the law".
You once again completely have no comprehension of police or police procedures
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Originally Posted By DeshaunWatson⏩
I think I read somewhere that not one of these people dialed 911.
Bystander Effect

As far as the OP goes, BRAVO to this Lawful Citizen! He was just in his actions!
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Have never heard of this happening before, our media (UK) only reports when some Merican teen miscer goes nutballs with an m16 in his school
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
You once again completely have no comprehension of police or police procedures
You seem to have missed the point, as usual.
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Originally Posted By kiknskreem⏩
you seem to have missed the point, as usual.
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Originally Posted By LegDayLol⏩
Have never heard of this happening before, our media (UK) only reports when some Merican teen miscer goes nutballs with an m16 in his school
So your media has only reported like one time lol
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