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Originally Posted By BrahPlease⏩
Its about keeping standards and professionalism. You dont let a rookie doctor do heart surgery do you? Maybe in 2nd and 3rd world countries
They also don't let rookie cops investigate major organised crime cases, knowing whether or not to save their own life does not take years of experience.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
What would more likely happen, if done correctly of course, is more deaths of criminals and less of cops, and of course serious injuries to cops that don't kill them, but that does not mean you don't want to avoid that if you can by shooting your attacker. I know UK police suffer serious knife injuries, etc that does not lead to death. That's a conversation for you all to have and not for me to decide, but I (per OP) can't watch such a vid, see news an unarmed cop stabbed, etc, and not feel your people are getting less than they deserve.

OP was not UK bashing as you can see. Was with all due respect to your hard working cops who risk their lives with little means of defense and for me, that just aint right.
It might lead to say 2 less deaths of cops on average a year, that would mean there would have to be no more than 2 incidents in the entire country where a police officer makes a mistake in a year for it to overall cause less death, I really struggle to see that happening personally. I'd be more than happy to see more with tasers, and frankly I think all of them guarding places like Parliament should be armed officers.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
It might lead to say 2 less deaths of cops on average a year, that would mean there would have to be no more than 2 incidents in the entire country where a police officer makes a mistake in a year for it to overall cause less death, I really struggle to see that happening personally. I'd be more than happy to see more with tasers, and frankly I think all of them guarding places like Parliament should be armed officers.
Yes cause everyone else doesn't deserve to be defended. You know, like that one unarmed cop that got stabbed. That's why you have armed protection for a minority of people while everyone else has to find some kind of alternative. You do realize by saying that you're acknowledging armed defense is the most effective defense right?
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Originally Posted By JeenyusJr⏩
Sure m8 you got all the best cops, each and every one could deal with such situations alone. Grats to you and USA and shame on all the "low T euro countries" for not having such amazing LEO.



Of course the flip side of the argument is that your cops are militarized and scared chit-less of your armed populace. They are also doing the job of psychologist, councilor, sheriff, and solider... with insufficient training. Hence all the tear gassing, excessive forcing, shooting, and killing of disabled, innocents, minorities, or just about anyone who can be perceived as "not complying". Definitely a model for all of us: shoot first, then let the prison system sort 'em out.
yeah better watch out for all those UK cops that are in shape and can absolutely do their job with out being full of bad teeth and tea.


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In the UK, 64% of adults are classed as being overweight or obese. The report predicts a "huge increase" in heart attacks, strokes and diabetes. Globally, the percentage of adults who were overweight or obese - classed as having a body mass index greater than 25 - grew from 23% to 34% between 1980 and 2008.Jan 3, 2014
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
It might lead to say 2 less deaths of cops on average a year, that would mean there would have to be no more than 2 incidents in the entire country where a police officer makes a mistake in a year for it to overall cause less death, I really struggle to see that happening personally. I'd be more than happy to see more with tasers,
You mean they don't all at least have tasers?
Originally Posted By infinit⏩
and frankly I think all of them guarding places like Parliament should be armed officers.
I agree, and I think cops and citizens have the Basic Human Right of self defense against those who would do them harm.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
No, that's one of many reasons we are able to be armed and why the Founders of the country considered it essential to a Democracy. Or as I respond when people say "why would you carry a gun>" the response is "cuz carrying a cop around all day gets really tiring" and so forth.

We as the regular folk don't get armed body guards protecting us, and in my view, no politician, nor King, or rich person's life is worth one damn iota more than mine or yours. You may feel otherwise.
I completely understand the need for it in the US, because of the level of guns. But I live in London and have never once really worried about being the victim of gun crime. If you get caught with a gun you are going to prison for years anyway, if you kill someone with a gun you're looking at life. Due to this criminals that do have guns over here pretty much exclusively target other criminals with guns. The rate at which your average innocent civlian is faced against someone with a gun is very, very rare.
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Originally Posted By BrahPlease⏩
Fact is majority of cops never even pull a firearm let alone fire one
lol wut?

I've pulled my gun dozens and dozens of times

I hope I never have to discharge it

I don't know a cop who hasn't displayed their firearm at some point.
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Originally Posted By ND32⏩
lol wut?

I've pulled my gun dozens and dozens of times

I hope I never have to discharge it

I don't know a cop who hasn't displayed their firearm at some point.
nearly the first things all cops do when interacting with anyone is having their hand resting on their gun. almost like getting ready to shift gears.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
I completely understand the need for it in the US, because of the level of guns. But I live in London and have never once really worried about being the victim of gun crime. If you get caught with a gun you are going to prison for years anyway, if you kill someone with a gun you're looking at life. Due to this criminals that do have guns over here pretty much exclusively target other criminals with guns. The rate at which your average innocent civlian is faced against someone with a gun is very, very rare.
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[QUOTE=WillBrink post_id=1488294811]This recent event of the use an assault car and knife to kill some people and stab a UK cop to death*, before dude taken down with a gun **, had me looking at a few vids. I came on this one and it just blows my mind to see. Not even the Aussies nor Canadians put their LE through this. Watching this vid so cringe worthy it drops my T by 50 points.

Cliffs:

•Cue Benny Hill theme before watching vid
•Feel bad for the LEO of the UK who deal with that
•Takes 10 cops to deal with one nut with a knife
•Can't fathom justification for it.

Is that what people in the UK think cops should have to do? Be chased around by some nut with a knife like hapless idiots?

In the US, those first steps he takes toward them he would have been burned down from lead poisoning. I truly can't believe anyone in the UK or other low T euro countries is OK seeing that yet make any comments about US police. In the US, don't need 10 cops to deal with some POS like that, just one is needed.

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* = RIP officer and those killed with the assault car.

** = After emerging from the vehicle, the attacker stabbed a police officer to death in this recent event. What stopped him? A body guard for a politician with a gun...[/QUOTE]I fail to see the problem here. Great example of policing.

Nobody died including the mentally ill perpetrator who was apprehended and brought to justice. Our officers are equipped with tazers and since nobody has guns in the UK they are more than enough to incapacitate offenders.

In the USA one of your brainless fat cops would have just blown this guy away and then there would have been 3 weeks of intense rioting and further deaths.

Also - please explain to me how dealing with violent offenders without the use of a firearm is 'low T'. If anything it's the reverse.

Use your brain.

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Originally Posted By Kreuzritter⏩
nearly the first things all cops do when interacting with anyone is having their hand resting on their gun. almost like getting ready to shift gears.
I personally don't think that's a good practice and in a place like DC you could actually consider that a use of force (IMO is ridiculous)

I'll often rest my forearm on my OC which gives me the quickest draw possible and doesn't show any force. And obviously you blade your gun away from the subject you're addressing or you try to keep it in the best place possible.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
You mean they don't all at least have tasers?
I don't know the exact % that have them, but not all.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
I completely understand the need for it in the US, because of the level of guns. But I live in London and have never once really worried about being the victim of gun crime.
You're missing the point. Nothing to do with them having guns. Two guys with a knife and bat and you're a dead man. There's no such thing as "gun crime" as guns don't commit crimes.
Originally Posted By infinit⏩
If you get caught with a gun you are going to prison for years anyway, if you kill someone with a gun you're looking at life.
No different here. In fact, our sentences for such tend to be much harsher than yours I believe,
Originally Posted By infinit⏩
Due to this criminals that do have guns over here pretty much exclusively target other criminals with guns. The rate at which your average innocent civlian is faced against someone with a gun is very, very rare.
And that's same here. Vast majority of crime in the US and shootings is criminals on criminals. Despite hysterical news, murder rates and crime way down in the US (which coincided with increase in non criminal gun ownership BTW) and random mass shootings happen all over the world, and very rare in terms of statistical likelihood for average person to experience. Per capita, US does not lead the world in mass killings due to terrorism either.

We do have far more deaths where fire arms are the tool than we should, but that's another topic of a sorts.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
I fail to see the problem here.

Nobody died including the mentally ill perpetrator who was apprehended and brought to justice. Our officers are equipped with tazers and since nobody has guns in the UK they are more than enough to incapacitate offenders.

In the USA one of your brainless fat cops would have blown this guy away and then there would have been 3 weeks of intense rioting and further deaths.

Use your brain.

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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
I fail to see the problem here.

Nobody died including the mentally ill perpetrator who was apprehended and brought to justice. Our officers are equipped with tazers and since nobody has guns in the UK they are more than enough to incapacitate offenders.

In the USA one of your brainless fat cops would have blown this guy away and then there would have been 3 weeks of intense rioting and further deaths.

Use your brain.

You may be bald but you are not very smart or even adequately nourished with 'T'.
actually what im seeing is the fact that you dont even comprehend 1/10 of the incidents that actually happen. you exaggerate the number of times someone gets "blown away".
you dont even have HALF the population we do and you dont take in NEARLY as many 3rd world immigrants. so you really dont have room to speak on the type of situations that happen when dealing with people that have no idea what law is or the fact we actually enforce it in 1st world nations. but dont worry. the UK will SOON be a 3rd world **** hole.
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Originally Posted By ND32⏩
lol wut?

I've pulled my gun dozens and dozens of times

I hope I never have to discharge it

I don't know a cop who hasn't displayed their firearm at some point.
He misspoke, but it's a small % of cops that will have an OIS during their career statistically speaking.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
I fail to see the problem here.

Nobody died including the mentally ill perpetrator who was apprehended and brought to justice. Our officers are equipped with tazers and since nobody has guns in the UK they are more than enough to incapacitate offenders.

In the USA one of your brainless fat cops would have blown this guy away and then there would have been 3 weeks of intense rioting and further deaths.

Use your brain.

You may be bald but you are not very smart or even adequately nourished with 'T'.
If they're equipped with tasers those things should've been out immediately due to the act by the suspect. They looked like brain dead idiots in that video.

The end result is great for all involved. If they look at this video and claim it's "by the book" then I'm happy to not work over there.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
To answer both of you at the same time. I think it would ultimatly cause more death than it actually prevented. The details of this aren't even out yet on if a gun would have prevented this, if someone comes up to you and puts a knife in your neck and you don't have your gun already drawn you're ****ed regardless. The amount of **** ups of relatively untrained officers would outnumber the amount that you could count on one hand that it could POTENTIALLY save a year. I don't think just arming all officers is the answer just like if he had been blown up I wouldn't say all officers should walk around in bomb suits.
Officers get ambushed and may not be able to react. Still a very bad argument and all hypotheticals. There is a man with a knife stabbing people and you have the time to have your baton or gun at the ready. Back up isn't close and he attacks. Would you rather apprehend with a pistol or a baton? I've been in Law Enforcement 13 years in a Virginia city in top 3 most violent Virginia cities last 20 years. I've pulled my gun hundreds of times and have yet to shoot someone. Hope I never do. All about escalation and de-escalation. I draw my gun, doesn't mean you get shot. Drop the knife and listen to commands. Gun gets holstered and you go to jail. Pick knife back up, gun back out. It's not hard to understand. All I know for fact is that a pistol is the second best tool I have other than my ability to talk to people. Some can't be talked too and the fight is on no matter what. So keep thinking the way you do. I'm glad you can see the world that way and live with that mindset. You and I are just wired differently. Don't be shocked when at least LEO'S in major Brit cities are all armed. Times have changed and they deserve to be able to protect themselves and the community properly
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
He misspoke, but it's a small % of cops that will have an OIS during their career statistically speaking.
Ok. Yes I'm aware of this.

On the misc I'm assumed to have gunned down a bunch of innocent people out of my obese manlet authority rush of prejudice.

Apparently I'm doing it wrong based on misc science.
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Originally Posted By Kreuzritter⏩
actually what im seeing is the fact that you dont even comprehend 1/10 of the incidents that actually happen. you exaggerate the number of times someone gets "blown away".
you dont even have HALF the population we do and you dont take in NEARLY as many 3rd world immigrants. so you really dont have room to speak on the type of situations that happen when dealing with people that have no idea what law is or the fact we actually enforce it in 1st world nations. but dont worry. the UK will SOON be a 3rd world **** hole.
The FUK are you talking about?

Our cops are the most alpha on the planet. They basically do their jobs with their bare hands and MAYBE a tazer (which they only use as a very last resort IF they have one).

No other force on the planet comes close to that kind of alpha. You can't argue otherwise!!
Originally Posted By ND32⏩
If they're equipped with tasers those things should've been out immediately due to the act by the suspect. They looked like brain dead idiots in that video.

The end result is great for all involved. If they look at this video and claim it's "by the book" then I'm happy to not work over there.
Well those 'brain dead idiots' managed to avoid killing someone and causing a whole lot of other problems.

I'd like to see how you would deal with that volatile situation without your precious gun.

No doubt you'd be cowering inside your Queen Vic waiting for SWAT.
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Originally Posted By Drufeus⏩
Officers get ambushed and may not be able to react. Still a very bad argument. There is a man with a knife stabbing people and you have the time to have your baton or gun at the ready. Back up isn't close and he attacks. Would you rather apprehend with a pistol or a baton? I've been in Law Enforcement 13 years in a Virginia city in top 3 most violent Virginia cities. I've pulled my gun hundreds of times and have yet to shoot someone. Hope I never do. All about escalation and de-escalation. I draw my gun, doesn't mean you get shot. Drop the knife and listen to commands. Gun gets holstered and you go to jail. Pick knife back up, gun back out. It's not hard to understand. All I know for fact is that a pistol is the second best tool I have other than my ability to talk to people. Some can't be talked too and the fight is on no matter what. So keep thinking the way you do. I'm glad you can see the world that way and live with that mindset. You and I are just wired differently. Don't be shocked when at least LEO'S in major Brit cities are all armed. Times have changed and they deserve to be able to protect themselves and the community properly
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
The FUK are you talking about?

Our cops are the most alpha on the planet. They basically do their jobs with their bare hands and MAYBE a tazer (which they only use as a very last resort IF they have one).

No other force on the planet comes close to that kind of alpha. You can't argue otherwise!!
Ask your guys & gals to come on over and patrol Chicago.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
I fail to see the problem here. Great example of policing.

Nobody died including the mentally ill perpetrator who was apprehended and brought to justice. Our officers are equipped with tazers and since nobody has guns in the UK they are more than enough to incapacitate offenders.

In the USA one of your brainless fat cops would have just blown this guy away and then there would have been 3 weeks of intense rioting and further deaths.

Also - please explain to me how dealing with violent offenders without the use of a firearm is 'low T'. If anything it's the reverse.

Use your brain.

You may be bald but you are not very smart or even adequately nourished with 'T'.
There's only riots when the media riels up the masses whenever a black person gets shot by white officers. No one died at the Ferguson riots after Michael Brown got shot or in Florida when Trayvon Martin got shot. WAY more people get shot by cops on a regular basis and there's no riots cause it's much more obvious that those people are thugs.
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Originally Posted By ND32⏩
If they're equipped with tasers those things should've been out immediately due to the act by the suspect. They looked like brain dead idiots in that video.

The end result is great for all involved. If they look at this video and claim it's "by the book" then I'm happy to not work over there.
If you're trying to make a case for U.S. police tactic you're doing a bad job of it. The last thing any U.S. cop should ever do is give suspect apprehension advice. In my view, you need to study that video and learn from it.
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Originally Posted By ND32⏩
If they're equipped with tasers those things should've been out immediately due to the act by the suspect. They looked like brain dead idiots in that video.

The end result is great for all involved. If they look at this video and claim it's "by the book" then I'm happy to not work over there.
I believe end of the vid shows him riding the lightning bringing to an end. If anyone can watch that vid and think that's how cops should be forced to deal with a knife wielding nut, then nothing will help them I guess.
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post 1488309611 03-23-2017, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted By ND32⏩
inb4 cucks come in a cherry pick the negligent discharges and state that policing should have a 100% proficiency
OR the shoot them in the leg or knife out of their hand crowd. That's even worse.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
The FUK are you talking about?

Our cops are the most alpha on the planet. They basically do their jobs with their bare hands and MAYBE a tazer (which they only use as a very last resort IF they have one).

No other force on the planet comes close to that kind of alpha. You can't argue otherwise!!



Well those 'brain dead idiots' managed to avoid killing someone and causing a whole lot of other problems.

I'd like to see how you would deal with that volatile situation without your precious gun.

No doubt you'd be cowering inside your Queen Vic waiting for SWAT.
Yeah, cause that cop that got stabbed to death outside of Parliament by a car terrorist certainly proves that by the European definition of Alpha. Also, you do have armed cops that protect the elite minority of people such as those in Parliament, those armed guards don't protect everyone cause quite frankly in your country not every citizen deserves equal protection. Equal protection under the law is mandated in the US Constitution.
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Originally Posted By BustaCapp⏩
Well those 'brain dead idiots' managed to avoid killing someone and causing a whole lot of other problems.

I'd like to see how you would deal with that volatile situation without your precious gun.

No doubt you'd be cowering inside your Queen Vic waiting for SWAT.
You do realize they in fact used a taser instead of going hands on, right?

A taser is a weapon, just FYI.

They ran away

They also encountered a subject who obviously just postured and didn't attempt to cause bodily harm. If that subject would have actually attempted to cause bodily harm he most likely would've done so...to the people who didn't run away.
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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩
You're missing the point. Nothing to do with them having guns. Two guys with a knife and bat and you're a dead man. There's no such thing as "gun crime" as guns don't commit crimes.



No different here. In fact, our sentences for such tend to be much harsher than yours I believe,



And that's same here. Vast majority of crime in the US and shootings is criminals on criminals. Despite hysterical news, murder rates and crime way down in the US (which coincided with increase in non criminal gun ownership BTW) and random mass shootings happen all over the world, and very rare in terms of statistical likelihood for average person to experience. Per capita, US does not lead the world in mass killings due to terrorism either.

We do have far more deaths where fire arms are the tool than we should, but that's another topic of a sorts.
If all UK police could be trained to the same standard as the armed police we do have, I'm sure there wouldn't be that much opposition against it. But that's impossible because there is rigorous selection that a decent proportion of the police force would fail and a training level that is impractical to give to every officer. If the rate of UK police deaths would higher, I could see this as an issue. But you'd effectively have to arm the entire police force without causing any increase what so ever to the rate of accidents for the level of death to be decreased.
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