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Thread: Could China defeat the USA in a war? (NO NUKES)

post 1488678871 03-26-2017, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted By 1outof10beta⏩
I see you missed the part about no nuclear weapons.
Air strikes aren't nuclear
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It would not be easy at all. They have a chit ton of manpower but older tech. China would lose though.
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No country can defeat America right now on its own merit. Maybe China and Russia together, but that would already activate a NATO response and the two would be decimated.
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Originally Posted By DemiBrah⏩
Air strikes aren't nuclear
You are miles off with your calculations.
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I think it's literally impossible for us to go to war with China now. We have way too much trade for that to make any sense. The amount of people that died in our last war with China that ended in a draw was so insanely high that I have no desire to see that again.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
You are miles off with your calculations.
Can carry over 2000 lbs of explosive ordinance each

163 built

Over 300,000 lbs of precision explosives

Ok
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post 1488683021 03-26-2017, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted By DemiBrah⏩
Can carry over 2000 lbs of explosive ordinance each

163 built

Over 300,000 lbs of precision explosives

Ok
To put that number in context. The weight of explosives dropped on Dresdan in WW2 was 8,500,000lbs. Wiping out a city would be a challenge with 300,000lbs, nevermind the coast of a continent.
post 1488683191 03-26-2017, 06:12 PM
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if we were going to china? it would be tough


look at vietnam
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Without having read through this thread, all I can say to sum it up is.

We'd destroy them by sea and/or by air and be home in time for supper.

If we put boots on their ground though, of course we know it'd go different.
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Originally Posted By wasp9166⏩
real simple


just poison the water , bad rice equals dead mice , all this money spent on bombs , planes and sh!t

couple bacteria can wipe out a whole army
pretty sure thats a war crime
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post 1488683901 03-26-2017, 06:19 PM
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US won the war on terror so ya, they'd beat China easily
post 1488684381 03-26-2017, 06:23 PM
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It would probably be just like the Nazi invasion of Russia.

Nazis have superior weapons and start of strong curb stomping the Russian Army then get held up in a few areas and momentum totally shifts.

USA have superior weapons and would start off strong with Naval/Air/Land superiority but then get held up occupying cities and taking over strongholds. Once the momentum stops it would be easy China's forces to gather in much larger numbers and just overwhelm US Forces. Just like Nazis/Soviets.

China wouldn't be able to invade USA though unless USA goes full retard and loses it's Navy, so it would end with both countries just completely fuked. China would win via attrition and lack of freedoms in regards to labor/human life.
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Originally Posted By infinit⏩
To put that number in context. The weight of explosives dropped on Dresdan in WW2 was 8,500,000lbs. Wiping out a city would be a challenge with 300,000lbs, nevermind the coast of a continent.
I can't find a source on the difference in explosion damage of modern air strikes bs then so I suppose I can't refute this
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post 1488684481 03-26-2017, 06:23 PM
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Again not read through this thread, and I don't know much about this but my brother likes to think he does, he mentioned China would likely shut down America's power, as in they are able to shutdown our entire power grids, and infrastructures leaving us powerless and in dark.

I assumed he means our mainland, but what about our bases all over the world? Brother thinks that'd be their strategy.
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No and it's not even close. The rest of the world vs the US would be a more interesting question. Get educated OP.
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Originally Posted By Deathstroke⏩
Again not read through this thread, and I don't know much about this but my brother likes to think he does, he mentioned China would likely shut down America's power, as in they are able to shutdown our entire power grids, and infrastructures leaving us powerless and in dark.

I assumed he means our mainland, but what about our bases all over the world? Brother thinks that'd be their strategy.
99% certain that's the plot to Homefront but instead of North Korea it's china lmao
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post 1488685131 03-26-2017, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted By usersignup2⏩
US won the war on terror so ya, they'd beat China easily
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Originally Posted By JaxBrah⏩
if we apply real world scenarios then no. They would have china completely blockaded with their navy. Not only that, they would have a very strong ground front in the west. the only way China could win is if Russia allied with them and a strictly ground war broke out to where Russias and Chinas sheer numbers could overwhelm.
Even Russia and China combined doesn't have the resources or capabilities to put their military on the ground in the US in an effective manner. America would literally be one of the hardest countries to invade for that simple reason. Won't be able to touch our east or west coastlines. The northern border is rural, mountainous, cold, and forested. And add to that Canada would never go against America. The southern border is literally a rural/desert funnel and GL getting anywhere into Texas with an army.





The only real war that can be waged against America is an economic one. And China is as dependent on the US as we are with them in that sense. Only a fool thinks that Russia or China is an actual 'threat'. Sure if nukes came into play with either nation it would be bad. But that won't happen. China would get raped hard. Russia would survive but their infrastructure can hardly withstand a major nuclear war, just like America.



As far as America invading either country that would be stupid and costly and would serve no real purpose.
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Asking a forum with predominately AmericansifChina could win against them is like asking a toddler if it wants candy. Stupid question, they're all going to be biased patriotic responses lol.
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Originally Posted By FAH_Q⏩
lol @ no nukes

Our Navy alone would destroy China
This. Rule the seas and you rule the world.

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Originally Posted By DemiBrah⏩
I can't find a source on the difference in explosion damage of modern air strikes bs then so I suppose I can't refute this
I have no doubt that it's way more accurate and there is limited increases in damage caused. But a fully loaded B-52 can carry about 70,000lbs of ordnance. A handful of B-52's aren't capable of wiping out a city though.. Apparently 6,000 bombs were dropped on Mosul (Source:http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...8-minutes.html) Even if I am generous and say they were all only 500lbs bombs, that's 300,000lbs of ordnance, and while there is a considerable amount of damage, it's not like Mosul has been flattened or that people don't live there still.
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I love how all the ameribrahs commenting on this thread has not experienced one day as an enlistee or officer yet comments about Americas ability to beat another superpower without realizing that:

1.) USA'squalityof military personal are behind even the likes of south east Asian militaries let alone other western nations like the UK, Germany and Australia

2.) USA's over reliance on superior technology, strip off the technology and they are pretty much useless in a war. Even Australia's tiny Navy has far better trained Sailors that are trained in multiple categories compared to the USA's one sailor for one Category.

3.) Constantly losing "war games" to Israel's air force, having one of china's poverty diesel powered submarines showing up along "the most well guarded continent" on earth undetected. An Australian submarine beating a US naval fleet in another "war game".
US special forces losing to Indonesian SF and Malaysian GGK to a Sniper competition.

4.)US special forces are behind the UK/Aus/NZ and this isfact. Baring BUD/S, the entire structure of SFOD and Green berets are based on the SAS.(Even the selection course for green berets have been ramped up to try to compare with the SAS selection in AUS, let alone the British.

5.)Not realizing that even at the time of the vietnam war, despite beingvastly superiorin technology, couldn't truly beat a bunch of starving manlet rice farmers.


Now does America have the capabilities to beat China in a skirmish? Yes, but to conquer their continent without nukes? No.

More bombs were dropped on vietnam that WW2 and the manlet VC warriors still gave the yanks a kick up the arse.
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Originally Posted By JigPig⏩
I love how all the ameribrahs commenting on this thread has not experienced one day as an enlistee or officer yet comments about Americas ability to beat another superpower without realizing that:

1.) USA'squalityof military personal are behind even the likes of south east Asian militaries let alone other western nations like the UK, Germany and Australia

2.) USA's over reliance on superior technology, strip off the technology and they are pretty much useless in a war. Even Australia's tiny Navy has far better trained Sailors that are trained in multiple categories compared to the USA's one sailor for one Category.

3.) Constantly losing "war games" to Israel's air force, having one of china's poverty diesel powered submarines showing up along "the most well guarded continent" on earth undetected. An Australian submarine beating a US naval fleet in another "war game".
US special forces losing to Indonesian SF and Malaysian GGK to a Sniper competition.

4.)US special forces are behind the UK/Aus/NZ and this isfact. Baring BUD/S, the entire structure of SFOD and Green berets are based on the SAS.(Even the selection course for green berets have been ramped up to try to compare with the SAS selection in AUS, let alone the British.

5.)Not realizing that even at the time of the vietnam war,despite being vastly superior in technology, couldn't truly beat a bunch of starving manlet rice farmers.


Now does America have the capabilities to beat China in a skirmish? Yes, but to conquer their continent without nukes? No.

More bombs were dropped on vietnam that WW2 and the manlet VC warriors still gave the yanks a kick up the arse.
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Who are we kidding tho?

We know those sneaky little chits would cheat and use a nuke. Probably blame North Korea and get away with it too.

It would only take one hit to LA for the US to completely lose their minds with fear and panic. Game over.
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People that keep bringing up Vietnam need to learn about Vietnam more.
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nah. they would never get remotely close to North America. but the US wouldn't be able to advance into Chinese land either. so really, there wouldn't be a direct confrontation - it would be a proxy war in another country.
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Originally Posted By Prose
Asking a forum with predominately AmericansifChina could win against them is like asking a toddler if it wants candy. Stupid question, they're all going to be biased patriotic responses lol.
Show us why were wrong, there is a reason that whenever these hypotheticals are discussed on forums that talk about this crap all day it's USA vs the world because anything else isn't even worth debating.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
People that keep bringing up Vietnam need to learn about Vietnam more.
Not even gonna try and explain the terrain defense advantage with bush and the lack of communication and satellite technology that caused so many issues that would be minute nowadays. They don't have to know the irrelevancy of their arguement
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
Show us why were wrong, there is a reason that whenever these hypotheticals are discussed on forums that talk about this crap all day it's USA vs the world because anything else isn't even worth debating.
You mean like how you guys couldn't beat a bunch of manlets running around with dirty and rusty bolt action rifles?
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
Show us why were wrong, there is a reason that whenever these hypotheticals are discussed on forums that talk about this crap all day it's USA vs the world because anything else isn't even worth debating.
The idea of a US invasion of China is stupid. The US would certainly win the naval war and very much likely have air superiority anywhere that isn't mainland China. But the US would need to be willing to accept Soviet WW2 levels of loses to actually try to invade. China would be the first country since god knows when that the US would come against that actually has comprehensive and fairly modern anti-aircraft systems. The idea of invading amphibiously is suicide and the idea that China would sit there and allow the US to build up enough forces on their border to mount an invasion isn't happening either. It would not be like Iraq where the US could spend weeks/months building up a force on the border with the occasional Scud as the biggest issue.
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