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Thread: does anyone here not really respect doctors?

post 1511640521 07-12-2017, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted By aleeboy⏩
I don't respect doctors.

They can't help you prevent anything, or see it coming.

They can only tell you, you are focked, and here are some medicines you should take.

However, surgeons are important for accidents and taking out tumors from the body.
This is accurate.

Ive gotten better advice off google than most doctors have given me. 100% srs
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
Are you seriously comparing engineering to medicine? I was on my school's admissions committee and we interviewed engineers.
You're a middle class member and nothing higher unless you're one of the top 1-2% of engineers. And comparing income? lul. A part time GP who works twice a week makes more than your typical engineer.
pls read this reply
Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
Are you idiots seriously trying to compare engineering with medicine? Mind = blown.

You think it's a coincidence that Med is so hard to get into as a course and engineering isn't? Why doctors get paidwaymore at every level of employment?

Then some guy trying to convince himself that his dad (seriously his dad) is proof that engineering is as good as medicine because his made up short-term hourly rate is higher than a junior doctor is the icing on the **** cake that is this thread.

This is why the public aren't allowed to diagnose themselves, because they are phucking retarded
uhh... maybe because there is a manufactured barrier of entry where schools purposely limit the intake of prospective students so they can maintain the prestige and exclusivity of the profession
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
dafuq lol... the average family doctor is easily making 200k out of residency if they want to. That's just the average which includes part time doctors and ones seeing few patients.
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FYI, I never said engineers make more than doctors, only that a engineer finishing their career makes more than a starting GP.

Regarding your data, you might notice is EXCLUDES data from people billing less than 100k, it also is GROSS billings, not net billings. Your data is also skewed because it is for Ontario.
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
pls read this reply

uhh... maybe because there is a manufactured barrier of entry where schools purposely limit the intake of prospective students so they can maintain the prestige and exclusivity of the profession
lol that's NOT how it works... The # of med students graduating is proportional to the # of residency spots. Those are regulated and FUNDED by the government to meet the patient demand downstream.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Life is hard, and the truth hurts. My brother is an electrical engineer, and is 10 years older than I am, I make significantly more than he does.

So you don't trust Payscale?

What about Salary.com?
http://swz.salary.com/SalaryWizard/E...y-Details.aspx

GlassDoor?
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/e...SRCH_KO0,8.htm

Indeed?
https://www.indeed.com/salaries/Engineer-Salaries

Forbes?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/susanad.../#1cbe96d82403

The Government?
https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes172141.htm
Clicked on first link, it says "Electrical Engineer I", which means, zero experience. I'm out, you obviously can't admit you were wrong. Hope you're not a doctor.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
lol that's NOT how it works... The # of med students graduating is proportional to the # of residency spots. Those are regulated and FUNDED by the government to meet the patient demand downstream.
well then you just explained it, there is less supply of doctors relative to engineers so there is a smaller exclusive pool of professionals who gouge governments and private healthcare holders
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I respect doctors.

Im in hospital now since Friday.

If it wasn't for doctors I would be dead.
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Originally Posted By TheDude88⏩
Fuk em

I respects surgeons - the rest of them have been made obsolete by Wikipedia
This.

We still need them to get us prescription drugs though. That's literally their only use at this point
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
Are you seriously comparing engineering to medicine? I was on my school's admissions committee and we interviewed engineers.
You're a middle class member and nothing higher unless you're one of the top 1-2% of engineers. And comparing income? lul. A part time GP who works twice a week makes more than your typical engineer.
I think you're missing the original point. He said that an engineer will never make as much as the starting salary of a GP, which is just patently false.

I would never, ever try to claim that an average engineer makes more than an average doctor with similar experience levels. That would just be silly. Godfrd is just mad and now typing anything that comes to mind.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
Clicked on first link, it says "Electrical Engineer I", which means, zero experience. I'm out, you obviously can't admit you were wrong. Hope you're not a doctor.
Did you check all the other ones? Also, that's for whole careers, whatever the one may mean, It seems someone can be at that level forever.

If we're gonna play this game let's compare a level 10 engineer with an Interventional cardiologist who makes on average $600k a year, and $450k starting??
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
FYI, I never said engineers make more than doctors, only that a engineer finishing their career makes more than a starting GP.

Regarding your data, you might notice is EXCLUDES data from people billing less than 100k, it also is GROSS billings, not net billings. Your data is also skewed because it is for Ontario.
I provided the medscape link which is for USA, did you even open it?

1) doctors billings under 100k would only be working 1-2 days a week and/or have academic salaried positions (uncommon)

2) "average" incomes for physicians are VASTLY deflated always because they include those who do research, teach, work part time etc. Ones only focused on seeing patients and generating money often make double the average

3) By starting GP you mean a resident? Then yes. But starting attending GPs very often walk into 200k positions off the bat (many make more than that immediately)
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
I think you're missing the original point. He said that an engineer will never make as much as the starting salary of a GP, which is just patently false.

I would never, ever try to claim that an average engineer makes more than an average doctor with similar experience levels. That would just be silly. Godfrd is just mad and now typing anything that comes to mind.
Why don't we compare 2 million/year neurosurgeons, 5 mil/year plastic surgeons or family doctors who make 8 figures from their numerous business-oriented clinics...to... lets say your high-end engineers. The examples I gave aren't that uncommon either.
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Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
I provided the medscape link which is for USA, did you even open it?

1) doctors billings under 100k would only be working 1-2 days a week and/or have academic salaried positions (uncommon)

2) "average" incomes for physicians are VASTLY deflated always because they include those who do research, teach, work part time etc. Ones only focused on seeing patients and generating money often make double the average

3) By starting GP you mean a resident? Then yes. But starting attending GPs very often walk into 200k positions off the bat (many make more than that immediately)
Let him think engineers start at $70k a year. Remember, his example was the amount of money daddy made, not him, so he's a loser from the start.
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
on the subject of healthcare workers, what's up with nurses and their profession signalling by wearing scrubs in public? these guys have to handle bed pans and stick cathodes into people's diks and shiet so i don't know why try to show off what their job is
Lots of nurses are bizarre people but I think some of it is just like wearing a uniform.

Nurses, depending on the type, do a LOT of work and put up with crap beyond belief, so they're just trying to get some extra attention.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
So assuming a perfect world your father makes $153k a year, a lot less than the average for a GP. Realistically I bet he doesn't net $120k a year.
Cool. I'm not arguing the average that a GP makes. I'm arguging that you are way under on what engineers make.
Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
Then some guy trying to convince himself that his dad (seriously his dad) is proof that engineering is as good as medicine because his made up short-term hourly rate is higher than a junior doctor is the icing on the **** cake that is this thread.
Nobody is saying engineering is as good of money as medicine. There's no argument there. My point is engineering doesn't suck to the degree he would make it out to.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Let him think engineers start at $70k a year. Remember, his example was the amount of money daddy made, not him, so he's a loser from the start.
LOL you can't even keep track of who's who in this thread. Strong reading comprehension.
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Originally Posted By PeaceWithin⏩
Cool. I'm not arguing the average that a GP makes. I'm arguging that you are way under on what engineers make.



Nobody is saying engineering is as good of money as medicine. There's no argument there. My point is engineering doesn't suck to the degree he would make it out to.
I never said it sucked, making $100k by the end of your career is very respectable. But like my multiple stats show, on average, most engineers don't make more than that. Not only that, most GPs start at $200k+.
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Originally Posted By pezking7p⏩
LOL you can't even keep track of who's who in this thread. Strong reading comprehension.
A cuck is a cuck, why would I want to put in more than the minimal amount of attention? Let me guess, you're an engineer, and aren't making as much as you thought you would, life is hard, it's especially hard if you're a manlet.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
I never said it sucked, making $100k by the end of your career is very respectable. But like my multiple stats show, on average, mostelectrical engineersdon't make more than that. Not only that, most GPs start at $200k+.
Fixed. Lol.

What's interesting is I started in this thread telling OP how he is dead wrong with his assessment of MDs... oh how we have gotten off topic.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Did you check all the other ones? Also, that's for whole careers, whatever the one may mean, It seems someone can be at that level forever.

If we're gonna play this game let's compare a level 10 engineer with an Interventional cardiologist who makes on average $600k a year, and $450k starting??
Someone who is an interventional cardiologist most likely started by getting into a top 50 medical school. This means 3.7-4.0 science GPA (not inflated by easy random classes) from a non community college university, multiple authorships on research publications from grinding in a lab, hundreds of hours volunteering, and no lower than 90th percentile on the MCAT (realistically 95+), and enough interpersonal skills to not come across as autistic during interviews. During at least 4 years of undergrad

They then need to honor (basically get an A) in almost all of their classes during medical school, publish as many cardiology papers as they possibly can, get 90+ (probably 95+) percentile on two more standardized tests, this time scored against only other medical students, and suck enough cardiologist dink that you get great letters of recommendation from pretentious curmudgeonly academic cardiologists, during at least 4 years of medical school, probably 5 for a research year. Then you pray you get one of the limited residency spots, if not you literally cannot move forward until you do. Rack up an average of 200k debt in the process, added to whatever debt you might have from undergrad.

Then you do 7ish years of related internships, residencies, and fellowships, working 80-100 hrs/week for 30-40k salary (while making full payments on loans). Once you are fully licensed and out, in your mid 30s, you become a hospital's bish, and work 60-80 hours/week with overnight and weekend call.

They deserve the money man, if they paid any less nobody would do it. Also 2016 numbers are more like 400k average 300 starting due to insurance reimbursement changes. There's a reason physician is always in the top 3 careers with highest suicide rates.
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every doctor I have ever dealt with in my life has been retarded and never actually got rid of w/e problems I had, the education system is sh*t
The American Medical Association [monopoly on licensing] a few years ago used to limit the amount of people that could become licensed doctors each year(artificially increasing their salaries)
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
uhh... maybe because there is a manufactured barrier of entry where schools purposely limit the intake of prospective students so they can maintain the prestige and exclusivity of the profession
lmfao

also moon landings were fake and vaccines cause autism
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
Not respecting doctors, people thinking they know better because they read some **** on google etc. = massive signs that someone is well below average intelligence

Just from personal experience
exhibit A:
Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
This.

We still need them to get us prescription drugs though. That's literally their only use at this point
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Originally Posted By Cesarbruh⏩
every doctor I have ever dealt with in my life has been retarded and never actually got rid of w/e problems I had, the education system is sh*t
The American Medical Association [monopoly on licensing] a few years ago used to limit the amount of people that could become licensed doctors each year(artificially increasing their salaries)
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I respect the training and knowledge that they go throuhg to become doctors, its certainly no easy feat and few people can do it.

That said, i also dont trust them and feel they are the first line of people working for pharmaceutical companies. I just assume they want to get us, particularly men, hooked on some sort of device or pills or god knows what. Once you give that trust over to them then it will be more and more and more pills, or this and that.

My Dad lived in central cal. got sick as he was old and was on like 10 different meds a day. he moved to san diego, got a new doctor and first thing he did was take away all those drugs, all of them.

So why was he on them in the first place?

They just want to get you in the system. Once there they got you hooked, just like a drug pusher. Think about it. Once you start noticing you will see a trend.

What happens with men is they start with slightly high blood pressure or cholesterol, better get some pills just to be on the safe side. Well, if you read the bottle, you cant stop taking these without side effects so once on them, you are at their mercy.

From here they will go to being pre diabetic or sleep apnea or low t. Same drill with every man.

Women go to the doctor all the time so they like being in the system, men dont so they need to get you hooked on something as fast as they can.
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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
lmfao

also moon landings were fake and vaccines cause autism
Vaccines cause autism.
Doctors order vaccines.
Vaccines cause autism.
Doctors diagnose autism.

Profit??????


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Originally Posted By TheJediBrah⏩
lmfao

also moon landings were fake and vaccines cause autism
huh? read what Hardlifter9 wrote, there is literally a government orchestrated restriction to the supply of doctors, this profession is being artificially propped up by maintaining it's exclusivity so pay and employment remains stable and lucrative whereas in other disciplines schools just keep pumping out graduates despite there already being a glut of them which industry can't absorb, i.e accountants, engineers etc
Originally Posted By Hardlifter9⏩
lol that's NOT how it works... The # of med students graduating is proportional to the # of residency spots. Those are regulated and FUNDED by the government to meet the patient demand downstream.
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Originally Posted By lolXlol⏩
huh? read what Hardlifter9 wrote, there is literally a government orchestrated restriction to the supply of doctors, this profession is being artificially propped up by maintaining it's exclusivity so pay and employment remains stable and lucrative whereas in other disciplines schools just keep pumping out graduates despite there already being a glut of them which industry can't absorb, i.e accountants, engineers etc
So you want to pay much higher taxes to fund more physician training and services?

Your level of knowledge on healthcare is so severely lacking (srs) it would take weeks for you to even scratch the tip of the iceberg. That's not an insult, it's just that most people are clueless on how the system works.
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ITT: No one knows what they're talking about.

No, not everyone can become a doctor. If this is true, then everyone would be a doctor.
No, becoming a doctor is not easy. If it was easy, most people would breeze through undergrad and the MCAT. This isn't the case.
No, you have not seen "morons" as doctors. Doctors are people, they make mistakes. You probably wouldn't do any better.
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honestly, GPs do seem like a bit of a scam. I'm not too opinionated on this, but they refer to a book or from memory just to give you a diagnosis and if things are too complicated they just refer you to a specialist and make 100k for that. I can see GPs being phased out over the next 10-20 years with the improvement of technology. Jack of all trades master of none is just the kind of feeling you get when they can help you with nothing but just refer you to someone else. I respect all the effort and hard work that is needed to be a doctor and I have utmost respect for all the specialists they refer you to.
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