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There is a lot to this topic.
first off, the way to advance in any company is not by doing your job well. It's by doing your job adequately and more importantly, doing things beyond your job responsibility, ie special projects. This does not necessarily require you working beyond 40hrs a week, but it may.
The way I approach a salaried position - I will work till my work is done but it goes both ways. There are times I have put in 12 hour days due to big projects, but more often I am leaving 20-30 minutes shy of an 8 hour day and sometimes taking advantage and leaving an hour or two early.
The job I took almost a year ago is a very different culture. They expect 8 hours a day (well 8.5 because you are required to take a 0.5 hour lunch) however they do not want you hear over 8 hours either. I am not sure if it is the fact that it is a federal government contractor or if it is because we are a production facility with union workers on the floor and they have to apply the same rules to everyone.
There have been a lot of places in the last ten years pushing for the "work life balance" - and don't kid yourself, I guarantee it helps keep their insurance rates lower. But I know one pharmaceutical company that at 9 hours your computer would tell you that you have been logged in for 9 hours and should go home and at 10 hours it would shut you out of the company's systems.
first off, the way to advance in any company is not by doing your job well. It's by doing your job adequately and more importantly, doing things beyond your job responsibility, ie special projects. This does not necessarily require you working beyond 40hrs a week, but it may.
The way I approach a salaried position - I will work till my work is done but it goes both ways. There are times I have put in 12 hour days due to big projects, but more often I am leaving 20-30 minutes shy of an 8 hour day and sometimes taking advantage and leaving an hour or two early.
The job I took almost a year ago is a very different culture. They expect 8 hours a day (well 8.5 because you are required to take a 0.5 hour lunch) however they do not want you hear over 8 hours either. I am not sure if it is the fact that it is a federal government contractor or if it is because we are a production facility with union workers on the floor and they have to apply the same rules to everyone.
There have been a lot of places in the last ten years pushing for the "work life balance" - and don't kid yourself, I guarantee it helps keep their insurance rates lower. But I know one pharmaceutical company that at 9 hours your computer would tell you that you have been logged in for 9 hours and should go home and at 10 hours it would shut you out of the company's systems.
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I think it comes down to what you want to achieve. If you want to climb the career ladder, often it will be required to work a lot of hours, but if you don't, then just clock out at 4 or 5 and don't think about work until the next day starts. A lot of my friends who have some sort of engineering degree seem to be working a lot of OT, and they get paid accordingly. I don't see the big deal, I'd rather just work regular days, get paid a decent amount and go home. I have cheap hobbies, and I don't need fancy cars or homes to be happy, I'd rather enjoy my free time.
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People spend their money stupidly, obtain debt, live above their means, THEN complain they are over-worked and under-paid.
The sad truth is they could receive a $20k raise and get themselves into the exact same predicament immediately the same day they got the raise.
Personal finance and budgeting is the key to success. NOT your income.
Good book on the subject: "set for life"
The sad truth is they could receive a $20k raise and get themselves into the exact same predicament immediately the same day they got the raise.
Personal finance and budgeting is the key to success. NOT your income.
Good book on the subject: "set for life"
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Fukken lolI'm a business owner
That business is a restaurant
I'm also the head chef
plz tell me how I can work 40 hours a week and not see my business fail and my family leave me.
Oh but I'm perfectly fine working all the time, gotta open 6-7 more before I retire.
That business is a restaurant
I'm also the head chef
plz tell me how I can work 40 hours a week and not see my business fail and my family leave me.
Oh but I'm perfectly fine working all the time, gotta open 6-7 more before I retire.
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I get to work at 7 and try and leave by 4:30. 5 at the latest. I normally take work home, but I would rather be at home doing it. I can write lesson plans and grade papers anywhere.
But we get plenty of time off.
But we get plenty of time off.
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08-04-2017, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By Vito-C⏩
I refuse to believe that this has any truth to it.35 hour/week checking in
Dat dere municipal government life. 7:45AM-3:45PM always leave on time unless I personally choose to stay longer.
Dat dere municipal government life. 7:45AM-3:45PM always leave on time unless I personally choose to stay longer.
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08-04-2017, 11:54 AM
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I'm doing 830 to 5 with an hour lunch. I don't come back from lunch on Fridays.
1.5 years to payoff house. No wife. No kids. Targeting 45 for retirement.
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1.5 years to payoff house. No wife. No kids. Targeting 45 for retirement.
Stay safe, boyos
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08-04-2017, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted By _chef_⏩
100% true, not a shred of fallacy or misrepresentation. Although I wake up at 6AM because the commute takes awhile and I'm at work by 7:30AMish. By the time I commute back to my front door its 4:50PM.I refuse to believe that this has any truth to it.
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Today I leave at 2:45PM (an hour early) because I took two 30 minute lunches. Jelly?
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EE crew checking in and completely agree with the majority opinion in this thread.
I work 40 at my salaried position, sometimes a little less sometimes a little more, based on whether or not there is actual work to be done.
There are people who are older than me and spend 60 hours, but are far less productive. I'm definitely one of the heavy hitters in the office with only 10 years experience. It's not just a young man's mentality, it's overall a POVERTY mentality.
There are plenty of older people who think the boss cares about how many hours they spend. The truth is they only care about the bottom line, and logging LESS hours on a project is actually a positive for them.
I work 40 at my salaried position, sometimes a little less sometimes a little more, based on whether or not there is actual work to be done.
There are people who are older than me and spend 60 hours, but are far less productive. I'm definitely one of the heavy hitters in the office with only 10 years experience. It's not just a young man's mentality, it's overall a POVERTY mentality.
There are plenty of older people who think the boss cares about how many hours they spend. The truth is they only care about the bottom line, and logging LESS hours on a project is actually a positive for them.
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Originally Posted By Vito-C⏩
37.5 hrs per week here, and not a minute over!35 hour/week checking in
Dat dere municipal government life. 7:45AM-3:45PM always leave on time unless I personally choose to stay longer.
Dat dere municipal government life. 7:45AM-3:45PM always leave on time unless I personally choose to stay longer.
Have a buddy that does finances, guy works up to 70 hours a week, and pretty much hates his life, even though he drives a nice car/beautiful house.. And yet miserable, fuk that I rather live in a shack and not work that much and yet enjoy my kids/life.
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Originally Posted By Zuggie⏩
My sister is a Dr, head of her department at the hospital. Her husband is a scientist, one of about 30 people in the world that study what he does, has several patents under his belt and is a millionaire.Have a buddy that does finances, guy works up to 70 hours a week, and pretty much hates his life, even though he drives a nice car/beautiful house.. And yet miserable, fuk that I rather live in a shack and not work that much and yet enjoy my kids/life.
Huge house though modestly furnished, sister loves that there Pottery Barn - neighbors are pro athletes and other local celebs. Sis drives a Range Rover, his daily driver is a Porsche, I forget the model. He also has a Ferrari, an old school Land Rover Discovery, and a Tundra - for towing his race car (another Porsche) to the track on weekends. He also has a $30K race simulator in the house (cheaper than track time and maintenance in the long run he said).
Weekend condo down in Miami.
Other than those types of toys, they live pretty modestly - they would rather eat a yogurt and salad than go out to fancy dinners.
Neither are any happier than I am.
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Originally Posted By mchabs⏩
This is pure gold!It seems like most office jobs these days expect people to work 9-10 hour days as the norm. I see people all the time coming in at 7am and not leaving until 6pm (facility has a gym so i work out, then still see some of these people crunching away when I am finished working out).
Are they just inefficient? Seems like such a waste of time. There will always be more work you can do.
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Are they just inefficient? Seems like such a waste of time. There will always be more work you can do.
Listen to Kalam
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
would you take a job that paid only in pit bulls?As an accountant I work quite a bit more during Feb - April, but after that I'm working MAX 40 hours, I'm out the door at 4 or 5 and I'm not walking in until closer to 9. I always LOL at my peers who work 300-400 hours more than me a year. You know what their reward is? $1,000-$2,000 bigger bonus. They work extra for $3-5 an hour. Lol fuk that. And because they developed a reputation for it, they can't stop now. They get assigned work knowing they will work 50+ hours year round.
Its funny how loyal people are to companies. We had a guy quit right before busy season and for 4 months people **** talked him. These were people who were his "friends" and mentors. He felt bad at the time and I told him don't they wouldn't consult with you first if they had to cut you loose as to when's the best time. And sure enough I saw a girl get let go the day after busy season.
Its funny how loyal people are to companies. We had a guy quit right before busy season and for 4 months people **** talked him. These were people who were his "friends" and mentors. He felt bad at the time and I told him don't they wouldn't consult with you first if they had to cut you loose as to when's the best time. And sure enough I saw a girl get let go the day after busy season.
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
but he has a higher likelihood to have free time in the future if he makes enough now... working until death sounds horribleFukken lol
This is a perfect example of what not to do
The only true wealth in life is time and freedom
This is a perfect example of what not to do
The only true wealth in life is time and freedom
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXGZu4yxjW0
08-04-2017, 02:39 PM
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Where da fak you working?
My last 3 jobs have been "40 hour" jobs, but everyone worked 35. Lunch breaks were an hour, but most people took 1.5.
Start time was 8am, but everyone showed up at 8:30.
Everyone except the big boss man would leave at 5:00, and we think he was just avoiding his wife.
My last 3 jobs have been "40 hour" jobs, but everyone worked 35. Lunch breaks were an hour, but most people took 1.5.
Start time was 8am, but everyone showed up at 8:30.
Everyone except the big boss man would leave at 5:00, and we think he was just avoiding his wife.
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08-04-2017, 02:42 PM
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Look at the average person in an office tho. 30+ year old fat asses. Why the **** would they want to leave the office? They're too fat and ugly to do anything outside of work or home. And they're homes are screaming bitchy family. So stay at work it is.
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In my opinion, and I understand my age and very little experience with life as a whole so far, an employee working longer hours will have drastically lower productivity and more prone to make mistakes. Fatigue and stress are not worth overworking people. Why work longer hours when you will be more tired, susceptible to make more mistakes, which can be fatal or disastrous depending on the job, and potentially be a liability for the future? srs
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companies have gotten more greedy. they want more productivity and to pay less. and they also want to lower min wage lmao.
no benefits, no job security, no positive outlook, overworked hours with low pay... thats the standard for most jobs now, and they expect you to give your live and love your job lol
no benefits, no job security, no positive outlook, overworked hours with low pay... thats the standard for most jobs now, and they expect you to give your live and love your job lol
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dat corporate rat race, imagine if they used there extra time on there own dreams and idea's.
I just want to share the knowledge I have obtained throughout my life and hopefully change someone's life.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
It's definitely b/c you're a government contractor, at least. I used to work in financial accounting @ one and they have strict regulations for how many "FTEs" (full time employees, measured by hours) they can use.There is a lot to this topic.
first off, the way to advance in any company is not by doing your job well. It's by doing your job adequately and more importantly, doing things beyond your job responsibility, ie special projects. This does not necessarily require you working beyond 40hrs a week, but it may.
The way I approach a salaried position - I will work till my work is done but it goes both ways. There are times I have put in 12 hour days due to big projects, but more often I am leaving 20-30 minutes shy of an 8 hour day and sometimes taking advantage and leaving an hour or two early.
The job I took almost a year ago is a very different culture. They expect 8 hours a day (well 8.5 because you are required to take a 0.5 hour lunch) however they do not want you hear over 8 hours either. I am not sure if it is the fact that it is a federal government contractor or if it is because we are a production facility with union workers on the floor and they have to apply the same rules to everyone.
first off, the way to advance in any company is not by doing your job well. It's by doing your job adequately and more importantly, doing things beyond your job responsibility, ie special projects. This does not necessarily require you working beyond 40hrs a week, but it may.
The way I approach a salaried position - I will work till my work is done but it goes both ways. There are times I have put in 12 hour days due to big projects, but more often I am leaving 20-30 minutes shy of an 8 hour day and sometimes taking advantage and leaving an hour or two early.
The job I took almost a year ago is a very different culture. They expect 8 hours a day (well 8.5 because you are required to take a 0.5 hour lunch) however they do not want you hear over 8 hours either. I am not sure if it is the fact that it is a federal government contractor or if it is because we are a production facility with union workers on the floor and they have to apply the same rules to everyone.
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haven't had a job i liked like the one i have now.
40 hr wk , work from home , misc / madden all day , online businesses.
can't complain besides the pay, but other businesses should be able to manage that soon.
40 hr wk , work from home , misc / madden all day , online businesses.
can't complain besides the pay, but other businesses should be able to manage that soon.
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When I was younger I didn't even care to work 60+ hrs a week, on more than once 70+. Getting older you realize your free time is a lot more precious. Poor management also, it blows my mind how some are so clueless.
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
this isnt the traditional consulting gig for MBB+T2s1st Job: Research / $ / 50h
2nd Job: Banking / $$ / 70h
3rd Job: Consulting / $$$$ / 40h
Graduates think you have to work longer to be more productive and earn more money, but that is not true. Could I have gone to another Consultancy, where I earn more money but for almost twice the amount of hours per week? Yes, but eventually you hit marginal utility on your earnings, especially when you start valuing your spare time more.
Are there days when I work 10, 11 or 12 hours? Sure, but then I look for opportunities to take half a day off to balance it out, and not in a month or two, but the days or week. You yourself are your most important resource, so treat it well.
2nd Job: Banking / $$ / 70h
3rd Job: Consulting / $$$$ / 40h
Graduates think you have to work longer to be more productive and earn more money, but that is not true. Could I have gone to another Consultancy, where I earn more money but for almost twice the amount of hours per week? Yes, but eventually you hit marginal utility on your earnings, especially when you start valuing your spare time more.
Are there days when I work 10, 11 or 12 hours? Sure, but then I look for opportunities to take half a day off to balance it out, and not in a month or two, but the days or week. You yourself are your most important resource, so treat it well.
IBanking at a BB or EB: 75-90h/week, $$$$
Consulting 50-70h/week, compensations lower than banking (the big difference comes in the bonuses)
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supposed to start at 8-4 but I come in early because I have to drop my bro and leave early consequently, so around 7:30-3:30. Take 45-1h lunches. Honestly not the most ideal job, I do have a 40-1h commute 1 way depending on the day but it's paying the bills right now so w/e. I still have a lot of free time on the weekends to do whatever, 3 weeks vacation (i've only worked for a year at the company).
supposed to start at 8-4 but I come in early because I have to drop my bro and leave early consequently, so around 7:30-3:30. Take 45-1h lunches. Honestly not the most ideal job, I do have a 40-1h commute 1 way depending on the day but it's paying the bills right now so w/e. I still have a lot of free time on the weekends to do whatever, 3 weeks vacation (i've only worked for a year at the company).
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Meh
Most of us going to have to keep putting in 40+ hours until the boomer generation is pretty much gone from upper management
Even if they don't say anything the old biases still remain
40 hours makes no sense in the modern world, it was designed to be 1/3rd of the day sleep, recreation and work but a lot of work people do these days is more like "do this before some date".
There'll always be service jobs where it makes sense to structure your workforce to be where the customer needs them for some length of time during the day though.
Most of us going to have to keep putting in 40+ hours until the boomer generation is pretty much gone from upper management
Even if they don't say anything the old biases still remain
40 hours makes no sense in the modern world, it was designed to be 1/3rd of the day sleep, recreation and work but a lot of work people do these days is more like "do this before some date".
There'll always be service jobs where it makes sense to structure your workforce to be where the customer needs them for some length of time during the day though.
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