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I think the problem with Tesla is that, they had a niche in the market, but now almost every car manufacturer can do the same thing, and has way more money to spend in their R&D.
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Killing it in the government subsidy department tho
Originally Posted By CHARBACK⏩
Elon Musk is a baldcel who is good at making people think he is a lot smarter than he really is.

He got rich by being lucky enough to be friends with Peter Thiel who made Paypal. Then he took over someone elses company (Tesla) and got really good at advertising it.
This. Tesla was a inventor and a visionary. Musk is good at leeching government funds
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Originally Posted By WABeast⏩
Elon Musk is a super smart guy. I have more confidence in him than any other CEO out there. He'll make Tesla work.
His greatest weakness is his army of uneducated supporters that have no idea how to evaluate a proposed green idea scientifically.

Geniuses have a lot of stupid ideas and Musk has very little in the way of a filtering process for his ideas.

The hyperloop for example has a lot of people questioning many of its aspects but none of those people are being given a platform.

I would be astonished if we ever see the hyperloop transporting people.
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1 Crash and everyone loses their chit, people baffle me. Like Elon cares anyway, doesn't he have like 2 other billion dollar companies to fall back on?
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Originally Posted By Azzurri⏩
I think the problem with Tesla is that, they had a niche in the market, but now almost every car manufacturer can do the same thing, and has way more money to spend in their R&D.
The replacements for the Lamborghini Huracán and Aventador are both likely to be hybrids. High performance hybrids are going to be filtering into the enthusiast segment at an increasing pace.

As cool as the 0RMP torque of the Tesla is, there is nothing like the roar of an internal combustion engine. Once you can have both and from many manufacturers Tesla's brief niche will begin shrinking rapidly.

Within 5 years you will many choices when it comes to performance hybrids that get both amazing range and sound like a proper supercar when you want them to.
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It's going to be interesting see what happens. They have sold a good number of cars, and they are vehicles many wish to own.
If they are unable to ramp up production, maybe the government will bail them out giving them time to sort out the mess. Possibly Tesla will be merged with another automaker. Maybe Tesla can contract out with another auto company to assemble their cars. Porsche I recall used to do that with their Boxster, with Opel making the Boxster initially. They could go out of business but I hope that doesn't occur. I hate to see an American auto producer in dire straights.
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Originally Posted By ParsleyTea⏩
It's going to be interesting see what happens. They have sold a good number of cars, and they are vehicles many wish to own.
If they are unable to ramp up production, maybe the government will bail them out giving them time to sort out the mess. Possibly Tesla will be merged with another automaker. Maybe Tesla can contract out with another auto company to assemble their cars. Porsche I recall used to do that with their Boxster, with Opel making the Boxster initially. They could go out of business but I hope that doesn't occur. I hate to see an American auto producer in dire straights.
VW would be a good fit. The could fix their image problem and have the resources to build amazing electric and hybrid consumer and enthusiast cars.
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Lol cmon misc, seriously? We really going to agree that musk is not genius and he's just "pretending to be smart and he's just good at making people believe he's smart" we really going to go down that road?
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
His greatest weakness is his army of uneducated supporters that have no idea how to evaluate a proposed green idea scientifically.

Geniuses have a lot of stupid ideas and Musk has very little in the way of a filtering process for his ideas.

The hyperloop for example has a lot of people questioning many of its aspects but none of those people are being given a platform.

I would be astonished if we ever see the hyperloop transporting people.
A test hyperloop has already been built and proven to work. 7/12/17

https://www.wired.com/story/hyperloop-one-test-success/

They're already building several of them.

https://hyperloop-one.com/blog/first...-hyperloop-pod

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8217511.html

These will be completed in 10 years.


WTF are you talking about?

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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
A test hyperloop has already been built and proven to work. 7/12/17

https://www.wired.com/story/hyperloop-one-test-success/

They're already building several of them.

https://hyperloop-one.com/blog/first...-hyperloop-pod

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8217511.html

These will be completed in 10 years.


WTF are you talking about?

I do not believe that people will be flying through a near vacuum.

Failures are fatal and the loop itself is indefensible.

Imagine planes that fly at roof top level where if you shoot one down all planes in the sky crash.

You hopping in one?
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
I do not believe that people will be flying through a near vacuum.

Failures are fatal and the loop itself is indefensible.

Imagine planes that fly at roof top level where if you shoot one down all planes in the sky crash.

You hopping in one?
Of course. I love science and engineering.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
Of course. I love science and engineering.
Then do proper research then and watch the many vids where the science is questioned.

Science and engineering do not let you create a birthday cake that is also a baseball bat.

When people bring up amazing inventions you need to remember that possible things were created.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
Of course. I love science and engineering.
Let me bring up some of the more serious issues:

-thermal expansion/contraction

On a bridge there are joints for this so the bridge segments and change size without destroying the bridge. If you employ the same technology for the hyperloop you need to do this while maintaining a pressure seal that withstands being cycled every day without rupturing. The longer the loop is the more joints that are required, each adding a point of failure.


-depressurization

In the event of an accident the pressure differential is so great that air will rapidly fill the loop. The reason for the near vacuum is to reduce air resistance allowing for high speed. If the loop is suddenly filled with air the pods will decelerate so rapidly that the people inside will be killed. On top of that you cannot segment the loop as any segment that had a door that fails to open correctly will kill everyone that hits it and each segment increases the odds of this. There has to be a contiguous near vacuum to maintain high velocity travel.


-defense

It takes military equipment to shoot down a airliner. Anyone with a powerful rifle can destroy the hyperloop by shooting it at any point. Can you even imagine the expense involved in securing and armoring a hyperloop that travels hundreds of even thousands of miles?
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
Let me bring up some of the more serious issues:

-thermal expansion/contraction

On a bridge there are joints for this so the bridge segments and change size without destroying the bridge. If you employ the same technology for the hyperloop you need to do this while maintaining a pressure seal that withstands being cycled every day without rupturing. The longer the loop is the more joints that are required, each adding a point of failure.


-depressurization

In the event of an accident the pressure differential is so great that air will rapidly fill the loop. The reason for the near vacuum is to reduce air resistance allowing for high speed. If the loop is suddenly filled with air the pods will decelerate so rapidly that the people inside will be killed. On top of that you cannot segment the loop as any segment that had a door that fails to open correctly will kill everyone that hits it and each segment increases the odds of this. There has to be a contiguous near vacuum to maintain high velocity travel.


-defense

It takes military equipment to shoot down a airliner. Anyone with a powerful rifle can destroy the hyperloop by shooting it at any point. Can you even imagine the expense involved in securing and armoring a hyperloop that travels hundreds of even thousands of miles?
The pods have life support systems. The tube is designed to be pressurized if need be.

The pods are designed to handle 100 PA.

If there is a significant leak - the system is designed to have everything slow down.

They will then use more energy of course to get the pod to the next station as the vacuum doesn't exist.

As far as defense goes - it will be easier to blow up a train, bullet train, airliner, bus system, subway --- than a hyperloop system.
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Originally Posted By bigcahunaburger⏩
they always miss production targets though, institutional investors are aware of that and they dont seem to care that much. Although i made a ton of money shorting the Q3 of 2017 due to them over promising model 3 production. The recall doesnt really seem to be anything too major imo just some bolts to be replaced which a third party manufacturer ****ed up. The financing is what worries me the amount of liabilities on their balance sheet is ridiculous and they need model 3 production to go well to get enough revenue to continue operations at this point. This needs to happen in the next 1-2 years at the same time when a recession is seemingly on the horizon. So its definitely very interesting to follow. Theres a bunch of funds using satellites and tracking VINs for components coming into the U.S. to figure out model 3 production for next quarter. I think even if they do go belly up, the IP from the battery tech(which is the best on the market) and the auto pillot tech will be worth billions. Although im not sure what valuation for that that tech alone would result in. I think now is when you can make huge money if you can figure out what is happening in the next year. The stock is definitely setting up for some massive swings one way or another.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
A test hyperloop has already been built and proven to work. 7/12/17

https://www.wired.com/story/hyperloop-one-test-success/

They're already building several of them.

https://hyperloop-one.com/blog/first...-hyperloop-pod

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8217511.html

These will be completed in 10 years.


WTF are you talking about?

This is a disaster waiting to happe
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Originally Posted By ParsleyTea⏩
It's going to be interesting see what happens. They have sold a good number of cars, and they are vehicles many wish to own.
If they are unable to ramp up production, maybe the government will bail them out giving them time to sort out the mess. Possibly Tesla will be merged with another automaker. Maybe Tesla can contract out with another auto company to assemble their cars. Porsche I recall used to do that with their Boxster, with Opel making the Boxster initially. They could go out of business but I hope that doesn't occur. I hate to see an American auto producer in dire straights.
They do have the Gigafactory and the Supercharger network, the sensible choice at this point would be to use them as bargaining chips for an acquisition - as they have amazing potential - and close down the car apartment, since they really can't compete with the major players and are just oozing money. The production/research/experience background of a major carmaker coupled with Tesla's networks could spell something spectacular.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
The pods have life support systems. The tube is designed to be pressurized if need be.

The pods are designed to handle 100 PA.

If there is a significant leak - the system is designed to have everything slow down.
Making the claim that an accident can be planned for implies that plane crashes, car crashes, train crashes ........ don't kill people.

The velocity cannot be dissipated faster than a human can withstand. If that planned deceleration is less than the physics of air resistance demands the plans wont matter. Your brain will splatter against the front of your skull. Ever see the crash test dummy results from a Smart Car high speed crash? The car comes out great but the dummy shows that the lack of crumple zone causes extreme deceleration casing extensive organ damage.
Originally Posted By tk217⏩
They will then use more energy of course to get the pod to the next station as the vacuum doesn't exist.
No one cares about the energy if they are dead.
Originally Posted By tk217⏩
As far as defense goes - it will be easier to blow up a train, bullet train, airliner, bus system, subway --- than a hyperloop system.
You have to wait for the train, bus, plane, taxi, whatever. You can shoot the loop anywhere. The nearest pod can be miles away, it is irrelevant. Tear a hole in the loop and it catastrophically fails.

Let me tell you what you wont ever see.

You wont see a test where they build an actual size loop, put in a real pop, get it up to speed and then simulate a failure. If they do the public support will vanish in an instant. All we will ever see if small scale demonstrations that do not involve humans going many hundreds of miles per hour.
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Go to youtube and search for:

tanker crushed by vacuum

This the reality of pressure differential physics over a few meters. Scale that up to many miles and do the math.
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Tesla is stiffing a lot of its contractors saying they'll pay them later.

If any of those contractors tell Tesla to screw themselves and stop working until they get paid, it might fall like dominoes for Tesla. Now the job can't get done, sales can't be made and other contractors aren't getting paid, then more and more people walk off until game over.
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
You have to wait for the train, bus, plane, taxi, whatever. You can shoot the loop anywhere. The nearest pod can be miles away, it is irrelevant. Tear a hole in the loop and it catastrophically fails.
Here is where I stop listening to you.



This is what you think is going to happen.
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Originally Posted By ContrarianIndi⏩
Tesla is stiffing a lot of its contractors saying they'll pay them later.

If any of those contractors tell Tesla to screw themselves and stop working until they get paid, it might fall like dominoes for Tesla. Now the job can't get done, sales can't be made and other contractors aren't getting paid, then more and more people walk off until game over.
That is literally every CM/PM/Design firm in history.
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
Usually when the misc is saying a short is free money, you know the bottom is just about in. I might play the contrarian here and look at TLSA for a long position at some point this upcoming week.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
A test hyperloop has already been built and proven to work. 7/12/17

https://www.wired.com/story/hyperloop-one-test-success/

They're already building several of them.

https://hyperloop-one.com/blog/first...-hyperloop-pod

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8217511.html

These will be completed in 10 years.


WTF are you talking about?

They have had maglev trains in Japan and China for decades that go 200-300mph....
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Originally Posted By CHARBACK⏩
They have had maglev trains in Japan and China for decades that go 200-300mph....
Hyperloop under anticipated pressure is suppose to travel 740 MPH reliably and null energy cost with solar panel fittings.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
Hyperloop under anticipated pressure is suppose to travel 740 MPH reliably and null energy cost with solar panel fittings.
Let me know when they do their first test run at 740mph brah. In the video their test run is at 192mph with maglev tech, groundbreaking if it were the 1970s lmao
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Anyone shorting Telsa stock ITT, or do you not actually believe it's going to implode?
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
Here is where I stop listening to you.



This is what you think is going to happen.
No, that is not what I posted to research on YT. That is a straw-man designed to imply that I can't tell the difference between a small can and a depressurized tube many miles long.

That fact that you would imply this says a lot more about what you understand. BTW, I am retired from a technology career, what about you?
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
No, that is not what I posted to research on YT. That is a straw-man designed to imply that I can't tell the difference between a small can and a depressurized tube many miles long.

That fact that you would imply this says a lot more about what you understand. BTW, I am retired from a technology career, what about you?
I manage an engineering firm.
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