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Thread: “Nobody in America should be poor” -New York Times

post 1561335921 09-15-2018, 09:21 AM
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"Counseling the children about sex"

What a weird thing to throw in there.
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She made bad life decisions to have 3 kids.

Oops.

No one in America should be poor - Vanessa is correct - and that has to do with the choices we make.

3 Simple Ways to not be Poor.

1) Learn a trade or get a STEM degree.
2) Learn to budget your finances and live _below_ your earnings. Maybe that means roommates; maybe that means living in your parents basement.
3) Don't have children until after you're 30. If you can't do the first two - you can't get to the 3rd.
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Like many have said, it's her own fault for having 3 fuking kids. How about establishing your career and finances first and then having a child. I guess that must be too difficult for idiots.
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So why do indians and asians come here and make it if its so hard?

In a couple if words, personal sacrifice and sticking to a budget.
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Originally Posted By Ravishing_Rick⏩
i grew up poor. its so hard to get out of it
its like a trap
It's not hard, people just don't want to make sacrifices to improve their life situation.
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Originally Posted By GravityLee⏩
So why do indians and asians come here and make it if its so hard?

In a couple if words, personal sacrifice and sticking to a budget.
Exactly. My parents came to the U.S. as refugees after the Vietnam War with not a penny to their names and not knowing a single word of English. They worked hard and sacrificed for the good of the family. 40yrs later my parents, who started out in the low income housing projects, own a mortgage free home and have 4 bachelor's degrees and 1 MBA amongst the children. Unless someone has a mental or physical disability there is no excuse for not having attained middle class status.
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Originally Posted By DCutch⏩
"Counseling the children about sex"

What a weird thing to throw in there.
its the billionaires predatorial ideas showing through their brain rot manipulation attempts.
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Originally Posted By hotsaucebrah⏩
If you work 40 hours a week you shouldn't be near homeless.

We have trillions of dollars for bombs and meaningless wars, but not for taking care of American citizens. I wonder which country Israel is going to get us to go to war with next? My money is on Iran.
People like you don't believe in personal responsibility.
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Originally Posted By Furybox⏩
"doing the laundry, arranging dentist appointments, counseling the children about sex, studying their deep mysteries to extract their gifts and troubles"

........



Anyway, being poor is relative. Unless you go full socialism, there's always going to be "poor". She still has a wealthier lifestyle and has 100x more opportunities than most people in the world...
Yeah, but I mean, how doanyof us have time to do anything when we've got to make our daily dentist appointments?
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Originally Posted By homersexual⏩
It's not hard, people just don't want to make sacrifices to improve their life situation.
Lol its very hard.

First of all, if youre abnormal from normal society, thats a source of anxiety right there. So if your friends are all getting chit and youre not, anxiety and depression likely to form. Im not sure how much you can combat it, it is inherent. Anxiety is created by isolation.

Studies have shown at some point, poor children start to attribute them being poor as their own fault. Im guessing because after a while of not getting what they want, they start to think theyre not good enough. And also causes the same anxiety/ depression

I was tasked with the problem of, at 18, funding my own college education. My parents didnt do taxes so i couldnt get financial aid. Do you know how youd pay for college at this point?also, if youre actually poor good luck getting a loan with poor parents and likely poor credit


Your best bets imo are to get a scholarship (good luck getting one when you grow up in a tumultuous environment), or wait until youre 24 to apply for financial aid and youre independent

Or trade school

Or if you can, hustle on the internet

But i think depression and anxiety get to them early and thats why they resort to drastic things: stealing, drugs, etc.
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Originally Posted By GravityLee⏩
So why do indians and asians come here and make it if its so hard?

In a couple if words, personal sacrifice and sticking to a budget.
Bingo. I was talking with my 29 year old Uber driver who came here from India 8 years ago. Learned English, became a citizen, stated school for computer science and drives Uber during his free time to pay his bills.

He talked about how much he loves America and the opportunity it provides him with school and work.

Meanwhile there are people that have lived here their entire lives that will be on welfare until they die. Pathetic losers.
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Agreed, deport the fuking homeless and the losers, get with the program or get cut. I do not understand how people can feel good while being a burden on society.
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Originally Posted By Ravishing_Rick⏩
i grew up poor. its so hard to get out of it
its like a trap
Same here, so I sympathize with her. Life is hard, I grew up in Newark, NJ. I just went back to visit a few days ago, and I was so uncomfortable, everything was so run down, so dilapidated. It was even more gross and ghetto than I remember it. These people need education, I've seen how they live and interact from the inside, there's almost no way out, it's an endless cycle of ignorance.
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE⏩
apparently this is vanessa.... color me surprised


https://bdnews24.com/world/americas/...ty.-theyre-not

Didn’t read the details but does she have 3 kids by the same man or...
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
You won't be

Might just have to move somewhere where you can afford something on 40 hours.

Williston ND was paying Walmart and McDonalds employees $15+ an hour. 3 bedroom apartments for $1000

Yeah it sucks there, but when you have no job skills you best take what you can get. Also, you don't get a car, cellphone, internet, TV's. Those are luxury goods for people with the means to pay for them. Not sure when all of that became a basic human right.

If you're poor, you ride the bus, bike, or walk to work, and you head on down to the local library if you need to use some internet
This, right ****ing here.


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It is LITERALLY Good Will Hunting with the internet

We have UNLIMITED resources at our disposal for FREE

Now if Vanessa wanted to become a Network Admin/Systems Admin for example for free or maybe even for a couple hundred bucks for a certification, she can. Maybe she wants to get into Sales, that's cool there's online IT Sales certs from various vendors she could pursue. The list is endless...

There are SO many skills people can get now for free and it's just RETARDED that people aren't taking advantage of this

Anyway back to Studying
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Proposing that our culture should be centered around making sure everyone “makes it” regardless of what decisions they have made in their life sounds appealing on the surface, but once you get into the nature of what drives humans in society it should become apparent that the model will never work.

There will always be people that have been dealt ****ty hands in life and most get trapped in it. That is vastly different then people that have been given decent hands and decide to never play them; it’s also pretty easy to distinguish the two. Helping the first case is a good goal to strive for. Helping the second is really a matter of opinion, but I think basic needs should be available, and opportunity to get back on track with hard work seems reasonable as well.

Unfortunately the system is currently set up for people to capitalize on both cases and profit off their ****ty circumstances, which is why people start proposing the other extreme.

The middle ground may not be exciting or enticing but it seems the most rationale.
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
You won't be

Might just have to move somewhere where you can afford something on 40 hours.

Williston ND was paying Walmart and McDonalds employees $15+ an hour. 3 bedroom apartments for $1000

Yeah it sucks there, but when you have no job skills you best take what you can get. Also, you don't get acar, cellphone, internet,TV's. Those are luxury goods for people with the means to pay for them. Not sure when all of that became a basic human right.

If you're poor, you ride the bus, bike, or walk to work, and you head on down to the local library if you need to use some internet
Your posts are usually retarded, but this is next level. So you're saying in Williston, ND, where there is no public transportation, not to get a car because that's a luxury. You're saying not to get a cell phone, which is a means of communication, because that's a luxury, or internet, because that's a luxury. So tell us genius, how will she;

A. Apply for the job, as Walmart only accepts online applications.
B. Get a call for an interview, as I doubt Walmart or anyone is sending out letters to schedule interviews.
C. Drive to the Walmart, as like I said, there's no public transportation.

The education system has failed you.
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Originally Posted By LeJR⏩
pretty sure some random dude said the same thing during the industrial revolution
That's cool. Doesn't answer my question though, the naivety and ignorance of people that think automation and AI will only replace low age jobs is pretty scary.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Same here, so I sympathize with her. Life is hard, I grew up in Newark, NJ. I just went back to visit a few days ago, and I was so uncomfortable, everything was so run down, so dilapidated. It was even more gross and ghetto than I remember it. These people need education, I've seen how they live and interact from the inside, there's almost no way out, it's an endless cycle of ignorance.
I don't know if education does much when these people never had anyone to push or encourage them to be something more.

Whenever I worked with or knew poor kids, the opportunities were there and there were a ton of scholarships they could've taken advantage of. They just had no will or desire to.
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
You won't be

Might just have to move somewhere where you can afford something on 40 hours.

Williston ND was paying Walmart and McDonalds employees $15+ an hour. 3 bedroom apartments for $1000

Yeah it sucks there, but when you have no job skills you best take what you can get. Also, you don't get a car, cellphone, internet, TV's. Those are luxury goods for people with the means to pay for them. Not sure when all of that became a basic human right.

If you're poor, you ride the bus, bike, or walk to work, and you head on down to the local library if you need to use some internet
That's your one example? A random oil shale boom town that had a housing crisis?
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Originally Posted By Peter
Bingo. I was talking with my 29 year old Uber driver who came here from India 8 years ago. Learned English, became a citizen, stated school for computer science and drives Uber during his free time to pay his bills.

He talked about how much he loves America and the opportunity it provides him with school and work.

Meanwhile there are people that have lived here their entire lives that will be on welfare until they die. Pathetic losers.
So does he have a job in the IT field yet?

No? Ok.
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People are not created equal. Some are more intelligent. Some are more athletic. Some make very poor decisions with their lives. Why should the rest of the country subsidize those who make terrible life decisions? In most cases they show no sign of changing their behaviors and would be a bad investment.
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Ye, her life must be fkin depressing, but she is in this situation entirely because of her own (constant) bad decisions.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Your posts are usually retarded, but this is next level. So you're saying in Williston, ND, where there is no public transportation, not to get a car because that's a luxury. You're saying not to get a cell phone, which is a means of communication, because that's a luxury, or internet, because that's a luxury. So tell us genius, how will she;

A. Apply for the job, as Walmart only accepts online applications.
B. Get a call for an interview, as I doubt Walmart or anyone is sending out letters to schedule interviews.
C. Drive to the Walmart, as like I said, there's no public transportation.

The education system has failed you.
I lived there. Walmart and McDonald’s are easily within biking distance. Walmart has little booths you can apply, you ask for a manager on the spot and explain your lack of a phone.

Don’t talk to me about life there you retarded fiveheaded, baked potato looking liberal tard.
Originally Posted By hotsaucebrah⏩
That's your one example? A random oil shale boom town that had a housing crisis?
It’s my example because I spent a lot of time there. There are plenty of other examples other than Williston.
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Originally Posted By GravityLee⏩
So why do indians and asians come here and make it if its so hard?

In a couple if words, personal sacrifice and sticking to a budget.
Exactly and you don't even need cite Indians and other Asians. Just look recent African immigrants to America, the welfare system is also partly to blame while it has helped some, it's been abused and will giving welfare actually motivate most people to do better.

revolvy com /page/List-of-ethnic-groups-in-the -United-States-by-household-income

tadias com /10/15/2014/census -foreign-born-africans-most-educated-immigrants-in-u-s/

Vanessa should also learn money management, if her kids go to school hungry does she really need a smart phone. Escaping poverty isn't easy but some people focus their efforts and hard work at the wrong places, like working hard at McDonald for **** money instead of say going to trade school, or working gaining skills that lead to better income while using income from Mcdonald for support.
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You can thank the Bolshevik communist Jews who infiltrated this country decades ago and poisoned the drinking well of the nuclear family for this cultural problem we face today.

**** Vanessa, should have kept her legs closed. Eventually, we're going to have to let people starve, or turn these subsidies into loans and force people to pay back what they borrowed from the government (AKA Tax revenue that was stolen from productive citizens at gun point)
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Originally Posted By Adam16121⏩
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/11/m...-homeless.html

Article describes a story of Vanessa, who supports her 3 kids. Quotes:

“for almost three years, she had belonged to the “working homeless,”a now-necessary phrase in today’s low-wage/high-rent society.”

“After juggling the kids and managing her diabetes, Vanessa is able to work 20 to 30 hours a week, which earns her around $1,200 a month.”

“If Vanessa clocked more hours, it would be difficult to keep up with all the ways she manages her family: doing the laundry, arranging dentist appointments, counseling the children about sex, studying their deep mysteries to extract their gifts and troubles. Yet our political leaders tend to refuse to view child care as work.”

“for people like Vanessa, the question is not, Can I land a job? (The answer is almost certainly, Yes, you can.) Instead the question is, What kinds of jobs are available to people without much education? By and large, the answer is: jobs that do not pay enough to live on.”

“Nobody in America should be poor, period. No single mother struggling to raise children on her own; no formerly incarcerated man who has served his time; no young heroin user struggling with addiction and pain; no retired bus driver whose pension was squandered; nobody. And if we respect hard work, then we should reward it, instead of deploying this value to shame the poor and justify our unconscionable and growing inequality. “I’ve worked hard to get where I am,” you might say. Well, sure. But Vanessa has worked hard to get where she is, too.”

Cliffs:
-NYT states nobody should be poor in America
-single mother of 3 struggles and is poor
-America failing its citizens?
Thoughts?
Where was New York Times 2 years ago? Why werent they demanding Obama do something about it?


Heroin addicts and obese mothers of 3 who work only 20 hours a week shouldnt be poor? Who should support them? Should I have to split my salary with an unemployed heroin addict when I work 60 hours a week so that he wont have to be poor? At that point what incentive do I have to work if I can live a good middle class life sitting on my ass doing nothing? Why wouldnt I just quit and watch TV all day?
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