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Thread: Keto is the only diet that can make you ripped year round?

post 1571138281 01-14-2019, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE⏩
both of you are fukcing idiots"Srs" .... take 2 mins of your worthless day were you do nothing except watch porn and jack off and read what he wrote.. you might learn a thing or two
Brah you really need to meditate and calm your tits. This bs Keto fad diet chit is getting to your head. Maybe have a muffin or two, will help with the mood
post 1571138341 01-14-2019, 09:25 AM
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If keto works for you, more power to you. I'll keep my carbs.
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Keep in mind brahs on the gironda steak and eggs diet you have one day a week you can eat whatever the phuck you want you can even drink. On those cheat days every damn food tastes so much better and enjoyable.
post 1571138541 01-14-2019, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE⏩
both of you are fukcing idiots"Srs" .... take 2 mins of your worthless day were you do nothing except watch porn and jack off and read what he wrote.. you might learn a thing or two
Fist yourself. Diet is literally the easiest and most simple part of obtaining an aesthetic physique. I'm not trying to learn how to make it more complicated. So STFU
post 1571138581 01-14-2019, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted By SteveSanders⏩
Keep in mind brahs on the gironda steak and eggs diet you have one day a week you can eat whatever the phuck you want you can even drink. On those cheat days every damn food tastes so much better and enjoyable.
Seems unhealthy. Like a recipe for disaster involving binges and eating disorders.

Originally Posted By jk202⏩
Diet is literally the easiest and most simple part of obtaining an aesthetic physique.
You know that this isn't true for most people. It's the reason plenty of people go to the gym every day and still look like sht. We all see it.
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post 1571138631 01-14-2019, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted By AshWar⏩
Brah you really need to meditate and calm your tits. This bs Keto fad diet chit is getting to your head. Maybe have a muffin or two, will help with the mood
thats the thing, he isnt talking about keto dieting lol.... he is giving you a very short but straight to the point summary/synopsis of how the body reacts to food vs hormones ...

edit: a muffin sounds awesome now .. thanks for reminding me
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post 1571138811 01-14-2019, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted By jk202⏩
Fist yourself. Diet is literally the easiest and most simple part of obtaining an aesthetic physique. I'm not trying to learn how to make it more complicated. So STFU
ok aestheticph@ggot...nowfukc off

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post 1571138901 01-14-2019, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Mmjk1500⏩
I see a lot of people go from fat to skinny fat following a keto diet. Your average fat American treats it like a crash diet and loses a lot of muscle mass with the fat
It's because they think eating bacon and cheese everyday is healthy. They're doing it wrong.
post 1571139061 01-14-2019, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE⏩
ok aestheticph@ggot...nowfukc off

That's cute. Literally proves my point since I went from a bowl a mashed potatoes to striated delts in like 2 years without a "named diet"

Spoiler!
post 1571139141 01-14-2019, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩
You know that this isn't true for most people. It's the reason plenty of people go to the gym every day and still look like sht. We all see it.
Self control is not complicated.
post 1571139371 01-14-2019, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE⏩
both of you are fukcing idiots"Srs" .... take 2 mins of your worthless day were you do nothing except watch porn and jack off and read what he wrote.. you might learn a thing or two
Oh I read it.

It’s easy to get sucked in to Taubes’ theory which is why so many people believe it. It sounds very compelling but have YOU ever stopped to take a few seconds from jacking off and porn to question it or just accepted it with blind faith because o the surface it sounds really pretty good.

It’s a good marketing scheme, but I suggest you actually take the time to dig a little further. Specifically, I recommend you search for arguments that counter that hypothesis presented (and trust me the info is out there before you come back and tell me you couldn’t find anything)

Until then you and I had nothing to discuss and hopefully you’re open enough to explore the potential your viewpoint is incorrect. Outside of that, not much I can help you with.

What I can say is I’ve long had an open mind for the keto hypothesis and based on my research (and own personal application complete with bf testing) have concluded it’s broscience beyond benefits of reduced water retention as opposed to actually enhancing fat loss.

It’s misleading in a sense people very much lose weight, and they associate that with fat loss which is where the biggest dilemma has arisen for those insisting insulin regulation must be the primary culprit to fat gain/loss.

Now can you say you’ve done as thorough of a job comparing as I have or is your argument just pointing to a few published studies that support your position as total confirmation

I work in research and let me tell you a few published sources supporting one side doesn’t mean there aren’t as many sources supporting opposing sides.

Spoiler alert: Th Research world is an absolute sh*t show. So best of luck learning to navigate that world with the rest of us.
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post 1571139441 01-14-2019, 09:40 AM
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[QUOTE=RonaldMcflurry;1571138581]Seems unhealthy. Like a recipe for disaster involving binges and eating disorders.[/img]

Its not unhealthy S&E diet has more nutrition then any standard recommended diet and is actually cheaper to do.

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Once you get lean, it's not too hard to stay there as long as you use some common sense. Have a BBQ to go to at 4PM? Fast until then............ eat like crap on Saturday??? Do a couple low carb days after that + extra cardio.

Just do quick, immediate repairs to the damage you did. Don't let them compound and build up. As long as you are on point 80-90% of the week (really depends on the person/genetics) you're going to be fine.

Don't over complicate things.
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post 1571139671 01-14-2019, 09:43 AM
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I'm cutting from 205 to 170 this year and not doing anything special with my diet aside from eating less, choosing healthier foods, and cutting out beer. Keeping it simple and putting those three principles together (along with continuing to lift heavy) should work out well enough.


All these diets get WAYYY too overcomplicated, I'm starting to learn.
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Originally Posted By Iceman1800⏩
L-taurine, 3-5 grams a day
Hmm have not tried this, I'll give it a shot. Been doing carb cycling lately to help with cramps. So basically keto 3-4 days a week and moderate to high carbs the other days.
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post 1571140061 01-14-2019, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE⏩
thats the thing, he isnt talking about keto dieting lol.... he is giving you a very short but straight to the point summary/synopsis of how the body reacts to food vs hormones ...

edit: a muffin sounds awesome now .. thanks for reminding me
Uhhh the push for keto is based on the hormone principles he’s discussing in that post.


And I hate to break it to you but he did specifically talk about keto dieting. Once again did YOU read the post? Lol at calling others out.

Here I’ll help since you couldn’t be bothered to turn off your porn and locate where he talks keto dieting in his post
So, with Keto diets -- no carbs. Carbs typically the biggest spikers of insulin (although whey protein is up there). Protein is typically more moderate and fat barely spikes insulin at all. So they work, even when someone like Jason Whitrock (who likely is not natural so ymmv if you compare yourself to him) but even when he goes on a 10,000/day calorie diet a day, he doesn't gain a lot of fat because the 10,000 calories are coming from foods that aren't skyrocketing his insulin, the excess calories are chit out, burnt by his metabolism, whatever.
Lol at chit out the excess calories... or “whatever”

Yeah a model source of information who knows what’s going on here.

Ya know those calories just don’t count or “whatever” lmao
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post 1571140081 01-14-2019, 09:48 AM
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Alot of the time people just "try hard" year round and end up looking like a twink or sht and don't know why when they're constantly dieting, learn to just chill out and have fun days where u eat what u want and live your life. A burger/pizza/pancake every now and then isn't going to kill you, sometimes i wake up after eating junk and look better than the day before, also carb cycling is the way to go.
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Why do people take discussing diet so seriously? Jesus christ lol. What works for one won't work for another and that's fine. There aren't many absolutes.
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Just fukin LOL at the keto nerds butt hurt ITT.

If it works for you great. But you guys are worse than a goddamn vegan crossfitter with your preaching
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
Why do people take discussing diet so seriously? Jesus christ lol. What works for one won't work for another and that's fine. There aren't many absolutes.
I seriously just came in here to post this. It never ceases to amaze me how much of a fight different diets can bring out in people.
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-There is no magic diet.
-Bodyweight is a function of calories in vs calories out
-Body composition is a function of: hormones, activity type/levels, and protein intake.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
So in summary Keto was simply an easier method for you to keep on track.

It had little to nothing to do with carbs spiking your insulin preventing you from losing fat more effectively.


There’s nothing wrong with keto if it works for you to stay in track better. The problem is when people start pretending it works for some false hormone regulation narrative when ultimately the calories consumed is a far greater impact on the reduction of fat loss than the bullsh*t stories being spun about carbs being the enemy

People simply don’t want to take responsibility for their actions with this narrative. Go keto and still consume the same amount of calories you’ve been eating on carbs and you’ll still be a fatass
No....

Thats not what I wrote at all. Insulin is a huge factor In weight loss. I did say for the typical in shape gym goer its a non issue. For the average person who has gotten themselves to a unacceptable weight insulin is a huge factor. Two different groups of people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2903931/
https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.co...916-018-1225-1
https://www.reddit.com/r/ketoscience...in_connection/
https://cardiab.biomedcentral.com/ar...933-018-0762-4
Jason Fung has a wealth of info out there as well.

As for my personal anecdotes, I lost 75# in 7 months without having to drop calories at all during the journey. My metabolism has defiantly sped up if anything or at the very least remained the same. Fat just comes off like nothing. Never before has it been like this for me.

There is other benefits though as well that are of value to me. Anti cancer, anti diabetes/dementia, anti inflammatory properties.

I will say though im not one to say carbs are the devil depending on the form. Thats silly, I will start to seasonally eat vegetables, but still avoid fruit(allergic) But I will avoid pastas, bread and any sort of refined carb source.
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Originally Posted By jk202⏩
absolute. Bull. Chit.
Gotcha. Name me one culture in all of human history and existence that had any kind of obesity problem who ate the way I described (no sugars, no processed foods, etc to refresh people's memory on the post he is spouting his irrelevant opinion on).

I'll save you the trouble: It doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Gotcha. Name me one culture in all of human history and existence that had any kind of obesity problem who ate the way I described (no sugars, no processed foods, etc to refresh people's memory on the post he is spouting his irrelevant opinion on).

I'll save you the trouble: It doesn't exist.
Valid arguments not even once
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Originally Posted By MEDITATE⏩
both of you are fukcing idiots"Srs" .... take 2 mins of your worthless day were you do nothing except watch porn and jack off and read what he wrote.. you might learn a thing or two
To be clear as well, because he made up some weird scenario andwithout reading what I wroteattributed it to me.

I am NOT some anti-carb keto zealot, although I do like the keto dietfor some people. Someone who is not obese, does not have issues with insulin resistance, who is active? Eat some carbs. Fuk, some lifters probably need to get a little messy with their carb intake, if they are having trouble gaining - so not just carbs, but I'm talking go out of your way to eat a sloppy hamburger if you're an ecto who is lifting his guts out and having trouble gaining.

It's ALL situational, though -- so, going back to my original post and saying it for myself and not letting some jackass who refuses to read my post actually paraphrase it -- Keto is great for some people and for some people it might be the best route but ANYONE who says you have to do A-B-C with anything, whether it's keto or cardio or crossfit or anything, they're W-R-O-N-G. There are many paths to success. You can lose weight with Keto. For some people it might be the best and easiest way, take an overweight, older or person with insulin resistance. They will thrive on keto but even there, it's not like keto must be the ONLY way or that eating keto is a license to not watch your diet and do whatever.

It's a diet, not magic.

Now, as far as weight/fat gain in general, the number of calories takes a backseat to the food choices. Measuring calories is not entirely worthless, but it's problematic. Anyone who thinks it's only calories in vs calories out is just wrong. Don't tell me 100 calories from high fructose corn syrup is no different than 100 calories from steak or 100 calories from coconut oil. You can fuk right off with that and we all know it, nobody who goes on a diet gets very far if they don't fundamentally change the foods they eat. People don't go on a successful diet and drink cokes, eat pizzas regularly or do all the other chit that got them fat in the first place, we all fuking know this - yet I spell it out and suddenly you have these guys who apparently can't read well who take offense. Give me a break.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Gotcha. Name me one culture in all of human history and existence that had any kind of obesity problem who ate the way I described (no sugars, no processed foods, etc to refresh people's memory on the post he is spouting his irrelevant opinion on).

I'll save you the trouble: It doesn't exist.
Well in those times they had to catch their food with sticks and ****, so duh.

Give me a diet of meat, eggs, avocado, etc and say "no restrictions, eat til you're full " and that's permabulk mode.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
Uhhh the push for keto is based on the hormone principles he’s discussing in that post.


And I hate to break it to you but he did specifically talk about keto dieting. Once again did YOU read the post? Lol at calling others out.

Here I’ll help since you couldn’t be bothered to turn off your porn and locate where he talks keto dieting in his post




Lol at chit out the excess calories... or “whatever”

Yeah a model source of information who knows what’s going on here.

Ya know those calories just don’t count or “whatever” lmao
dont get me wrong , im not against low card diets, i actually advocate lcd to people who ask me about dieting.
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Originally Posted By jk202⏩
Well in those times they had to catch their food with sticks and ****, so duh.

Give me a diet of meat, eggs, avocado, etc and say "no restrictions, eat til you're full " and that's permabulk mode.
Ok, shut me down, show me one person who ate that way and proved what you said is true. Someone who became obese and put on bodyfat without eating refined carbs, sugars, fried foods, etc... you'll have a hard time, that's for sure.

Looking at a macro-level, obesity levels have skyrocketed over the years, what is your explanation? People just eat more nowadays? Everyone, everywhere, they all just decided at once to start eating more and that's why. That makes no sense. Yet, my explanation, the increase consumption of processed foods and sugars, it correlates EXACTLY with the rise in obesity levels.

So, why? What is your explanation?
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