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Thread: AMazes me how many Federal Employees can't make it a month??

post 1571420221 01-17-2019, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
I think that's fair, then.

It still sucks to have to front money for an emergency that wasn't your fault, but at least they get back pay.
For sure it sucks, but that's kind of how a lot of emergencies work. Not your fault, but it is your responsibility now. Honestly, as long as they're getting back pay, this should be about the smoothest kind of emergency you could have. At worst you should be out a couple bucks of interest on the savings you borrow from for the year.
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
I think the worst part about the misc is how it has zero sympathy for people almost all the time.

The problem with this is that even if somebody had savings they would be forced to use them through no fault of their own.

I have a decent amount of money saved up.

I would be very upset if my job told me "Hey man, how about you fuk off for an undisclosed amount of time while our upper management debates whether or not we add a wall to the building."

I mean, what about people with kids/families they have to take care of? Then what?

"Hurr durr. Find another job!"

But that's real easy for you to say when you're not the one dealing with it. Easier still when you don't consider what exactly that would be asking them to do considering that jobs don't exactly fall off the job tree when EVERYONE is looking for a job. Some of these people ARE working a second job as it is.

Jeez guys.

Our government fails us when it plays with it's people's livelihood in order to settle policy.
what's the difference between this and a layoff? except for the gov worker mentality of being owed something.
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
No. I'm for people learning how to manage their finances and spending habits. This is not a phenomenon unique to people making only minimum wage, or even low wages; many people making over $100k still can't figure out how to stop buying toys and winding up in debt instead of saving. People aren't supposed to expect to be able to raise a family on a single income minimum wage earner. These are the types of positions usually held by people still in school or living with their parents still, maybe making it by with a few roommates who are helping with bills, etc.
That's all nice... but then there is reality, and reality dictates that chit happens, children happen, And yeah, I grew up in a time when a single bread winner could bring home the bacon to a home, a family, and a stay at home mom on a $10/hr - $15/hr. That's not possible anymore. Even if there were 2 incomes in a home with children, child-care costs alone is about $150-$200/week per child. Then we split up the family nucleus and have strangers raise our children, and I don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

If one is making $100k/year... it's likely that they can float a month or two, or three. When one is living paycheck to paycheck in a combined family income of <$50k/year... they most likely can float a single month, but after that, it's anyone's guess. Fees/fines don't stop. Sure, they won't get stuff cut-off, but it's likely they will have racked up some fees.
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post 1571421061 01-17-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted By canonhope⏩
what's the difference between this and a layoff? except for the gov worker mentality of being owed something.
When you're layed-off, chances are you file unemployment, find a new job, and start over. Being furloughed means you don't have to start over. You get your job back. Also, when you are on furlough, depending on your job, you may be REQUIRED TO WORK without pay. You may get back pay, when the furlough is lifted.

So being on furlough, it's hard finding a new employer that will take the time and pay to train you, only for you to quit and go back to your old job.
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post 1571421551 01-17-2019, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
That's all nice... but then there is reality, and reality dictates that chit happens, children happen, And yeah, I grew up in a time when a single bread winner could bring home the bacon to a home, a family, and a stay at home mom on a $10/hr - $15/hr. That's not possible anymore. Even if there were 2 incomes in a home with children, child-care costs alone is about $150-$200/week per child. Then we split up the family nucleus and have strangers raise our children, and I don't want to go down that rabbit hole.

If one is making $100k/year... it's likely that they can float a month or two, or three. When one is living paycheck to paycheck in a combined family income of <$50k/year... they most likely can float a single month, but after that, it's anyone's guess. Fees/fines don't stop. Sure, they won't get stuff cut-off, but it's likely they will have racked up some fees.
And inflation probably has that same $10-15 per hour as something a tad more today.

I don't think you're grasping the concept - whether you make $50k or $100k, you should still have at least 3 months worth of cash saved for such a circumstance, and still be saving/investing more each month. If you are living paycheck to paycheck then you aren't living within your means.
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They're mostly leftists.

Personally I hope they starve and thus have to sell their Nintendo switches and BBC dildos to even get a bit of food.
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
Then don't sign up for a job that is dependent upon politicians passing budgets, etc in order for you to get your pay. It's like teachers bitching about being underpaid. They knew that long before ever become a teacher.
I agree with the logic but a good portion of fed employees don’t have that option...they are unable to find work in the private sector so they transition to public for generally lower pay

and their paychecks should not be cut due to politicians disagreeing on budget issues...if you cut their checks, cut Congress’ pay too and let’s see how long a shutdown lasts
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
And inflation probably has that same $10-15 per hour as something a tad more today.

I don't think you're grasping the concept - whether you make $50k or $100k, you should still have at least 3 months worth of cash saved for such a circumstance, and still be saving/investing more each month. If you are living paycheck to paycheck then you aren't living within your means.
I understand the theory, but it doesn't work in practice. You cannot save money when you have nothing left over after you cover the necessities. I'm not talking about having the latest iphones, large tv, and multiple cars. There are lots of families that don't have all that, try their best to pay the necessities, and still barely make ends meet.
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post 1571422131 01-17-2019, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
I think the worst part about the misc is how it has zero sympathy for people almost all the time.

The problem with this is that even if somebody had savings they would be forced to use them through no fault of their own.
I often see lots of sympathy on the forum; whenever someone is sick, a death in the family etc. I see it all the time.

I have sympathy for people that are now really stuck trying to pay bills, but it really is their fault (for the most part) and hopefully they'll learn a lesson.

When you take a govt job, you know there may be periods where you go without pay. This isn't a sudden revelation.You need to plan for this.I work in a private company; I know I might go into work tomorrow and told I have no job. I plan for this with emergency savings (3-6 months).
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Originally Posted By ArmaanX92⏩
I agree with the logic but a good portion of fed employees don’t have that option...they are unable to find work in the private sector so they transition to public for generally lower pay

and their paychecks should not be cut due to politicians disagreeing on budget issues...instead, cut Congress’ pay and let’s see how long a shutdown lasts
Something we can both agree on. Congress should not get a dime while the government is shutdown.
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Originally Posted By ArmaanX92⏩
I agree with the logic but a good portion of fed employees don’t have that option...they are unable to find work in the private sector so they transition to public for generally lower pay

and their paychecks should not be cut due to politicians disagreeing on budget issues...instead,cut Congress’ pay and let’s see how long a shutdown lasts
Entirely on board with this.
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Originally Posted By RisenV⏩
They're mostly leftists.

Personally I hope they starve and thus have to sell their Nintendo switches and BBC dildos to even get a bit of food.
source?

I don't know all, can't speak for all gov't workers, but I can tell you... from my co-workers... it's about evenly split between left and right. Most are moderate, and few are extreme.
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post 1571422231 01-17-2019, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted By kcadrenalin⏩
Something we can both agree on. Congress should not get a dime while the government is shutdown.
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
Entirely on board with this.
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The government workers I've known live in an alternate reality to the rest of us.

Brb Why worry about living paycheck to paycheck when you know your job and hence your next paycheck is safe ?

Brb Why put away money for retirement when the taxpayer's got you covered with a defined pension plan?

Brb Why worry about the rising cost of living when you can just go on strike and DEMAND pay increases?
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
I understand the theory, but it doesn't work in practice. You cannot save money when you have nothing left over after you cover the necessities. I'm not talking about having the latest iphones, large tv, and multiple cars. There are lots of families that don't have all that, try their best to pay the necessities, and still barely make ends meet.
Perhaps they shouldn't have started a family if they weren't financially stable. Perhaps they're living in a nicer neighborhood/apartment than they can afford. Perhaps they're eating out more than they should. It's kind of hard to make a one size fits all solution without knowing the very specific circumstances of a given family. That doesn't change that if they aren't saving they're living above their means. And I'd imagine that the number of families living paycheck to paycheck on nothing but necessities and barely making it are rather low.
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Lol so much anger from these private sector trump cucks. The jealousy is just oozing off the screen.

Shouldn't you losers be kissing your bosses ass or thinking up ways how you can improve your productivity? Better get off the misc before your ass gets canned.
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
The government workers I've known live in an alternate reality to the rest of us.

Brb Why worry about living paycheck to paycheck when you know your job and hence your next paycheck is safe ?

Brb Why put away money for retirement when the taxpayer's got you covered with a defined pension plan?

Brb Why worry about the rising cost of living when you can just go on strike and DEMAND pay increases?
I could be wrong, but federal workers, and most local/state gov't workers cannot strike.

We pay into a retirement plan. That's doesn't mean we can't have multiple retirement plans. Smart ones do if they can afford it.
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A few BS stats coming from the misc in here, let's clear a couple up:

-A lot of federal jobs do NOT pay well

-A lot of federal jobs are in locations (San Francisco for example) where COL (cost of living) adjustments do not match the actual cost of living and therefore people can't save money. There's a reason there are so many shortages in major cities for federal work. Why work for 55k a year starting at a federal job in the bay area when rent is going to cost you 40k a year? No one wants to do it.

-Many federal jobs require a college degree so this idea of uneducated idiots is probably coming from people looking at the TSA and some other organizations



That being said, this should be a good lesson to everyone in the US that half these jobs that aren't being paid aren't actually needed. Having worked in the government in one capacity or another since I was 18, you will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER find anyone lazier and more worthless and inefficient than you will in the federal government. I've seen people who show up to work for 10-20 years and do absolutely nothing and get paid their 75k a year and have no accountability to anyone. All one needs to do is look at the VA for the perfect example of waste, corruption, laziness and an entire organization that needs to be shut down.
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
source?

I don't know all, can't speak for all gov't workers, but I can tell you... from my co-workers... it's about evenly split between left and right. Most are moderate, and few are extreme.
There was a link someone posted that detailed that it impacted leftists more than right wingers.

However, to work for the government, this takes characteristics that are more left leaning, specifically in the modern day massive governments that exist.

That is to say that Trump should keep it up because not only does it help his cause, but it also hurts people who are against him.
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Why would fed employees be any different than any other US worker? Most people have literally no savings.
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
When you're layed-off, chances are you file unemployment, find a new job, and start over. Being furloughed means you don't have to start over. You get your job back. Also, when you are on furlough, depending on your job, you may be REQUIRED TO WORK without pay. You may get back pay, when the furlough is lifted.

So being on furlough, it's hard finding a new employer that will take the time and pay to train you, only for you to quit and go back to your old job.
So, because of back pay, furlough is better than layoff.

Still doesn't make sense not to have even 1 month of living expenses.

I don't direct my discontent towards those who can't help but struggle even in the best of times. For everyone else, this isn't a recession when I remember people HOPED for furloughs or pay cuts just to stay employed.

This isn't the first ever shutdown.
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Originally Posted By SpeedCheeser⏩
Perhaps they shouldn't have started a family if they weren't financially stable. Perhaps they're living in a nicer neighborhood/apartment than they can afford. Perhaps they're eating out more than they should. It's kind of hard to make a one size fits all solution without knowing the very specific circumstances of a given family. That doesn't change that if they aren't saving they're living above their means. And I'd imagine that the number of families living paycheck to paycheck on nothing but necessities and barely making it are rather low.
I totally agree, but as someone who works for the adult and juvenile courts... a lot of kids are unplanned. The reality is that most don't say "Let's have kids, and figure it out later." Yeah, I could wave a strong finger at them, and tell them not to have sex or at least not have unprotected sex.. but guess what... stupidity and hormones wins every. damn. time.

It's like fitness and eating right. Yeah... eat less. move more.. so why is the world's obesity rate off the charts? Simple right?

Those living on necessities isn't low at all. I know a lot of co-workers who are working past retirement simply because they can't afford to retire. They aren't living a lavish lifestyle. When you barely make rent and feed your kids, you aren't out buying iPhones to heat your home with candles.
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lol, i been out 4 months and still have thousands in bank

don't get married, have kids and buy a house

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Yeah man, might as well live in a cardboard box too so no mortgage

Gotta stay protected man.
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I have a friend on ******** that husband is an Air traffic controller. She doesnt work and post pics ever day of her shopping and vacationing. She was complaining BEFORE they actually stopped getting paychecks that the shut down was causing them financial ruin.

In reality they were simply forced to cut back and stop spending 100% of their money in preparation and it was the end of her world.
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
I totally agree, but as someone who works for the adult and juvenile courts... a lot of kids are unplanned. The reality is that most don't say "Let's have kids, and figure it out later." Yeah, I could wave a strong finger at them, and tell them not to have sex or at least not have unprotected sex.. but guess what... stupidity and hormones wins every. damn. time.

It's like fitness and eating right. Yeah... eat less. move more.. so why is the world's obesity rate off the charts? Simple right?

Those living on necessities isn't low at all. I know a lot of co-workers who are working past retirement simply because they can't afford to retire. They aren't living a lavish lifestyle. When you barely make rent and feed your kids, you aren't out buying iPhones to heat your home with candles.
Exactly. And to the original point, no, I don't want to fund other people's poor choices.
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i agree. i'm sick of paying their salaries with my tax dollars. only low IQ and lazy people that can't hack it in the private sector go for these jobs. their jobs aren't even important. i can't believe how these people can't save up for situations like this even though they're making like 40k a year. with that kind of money, they should be saving instead of living beyond their means. they should have at least 6 months saved up with that kind of money. don't get me started about the 30% or so of them that are veterans. they definitely should know better. talk about being irresponsible. i don't see why it's so difficult especially when i could do it. it's time they went and got a real job and stop freeloading off of us real americans
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
I could be wrong, but federal workers, and most local/state gov't workers cannot strike.

We pay into a retirement plan. That's doesn't mean we can't have multiple retirement plans. Smart ones do if they can afford it.
You're probably right. I'm not familiar with how it works in the US. I just know that with the government workers I've known here (Canada) there seems to be a disconnect between where the money that they put into their (defined) pensions (which are far better than the investment/401K type) originated from in the first place. It originated from the paychecks of private sector taxpayer's. All government money originated from the private sector but they seem oblivious to this.
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