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post 1572166361 01-26-2019, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Dirty, based on your posts I think you'll make a good parent someday if you have kids. While I generally agree with your sentiment about parenting being the single biggest factor in how people turn out. I don't think it's fair to say 100%Becoming a parent is incredibly humbling because you realize that not only are you not doing EVERYTHING perfectly but also that you CAN'T. It's not possible. Nobody in the history of the world has ever been perfect and by extension been a perfect parent. Part of you will always think/wonder if you're REALLY doing everything you possibly can for your kid(s).
Das it boyo, when people recognize that imo it shows you are striving to do your best. No one is perfect but we can all improve and take it upon ourselves to honestly reflect.

Perfect is unobtainable no doubt but better to aim for something like that than not try your best

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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
It is ultimately on you...that's the point.

If you're a parent it's ultimately on you.

One does not exclude the other and everyone must be responsible in life boyo.

Imagine if I purported your argument to parents "oh how your kid turns out is their responsibility"...either way it's not a good outlook
This response is so contradictory. You’re saying everyone must be responsible in life while also saying it’s 100% on the parents.
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Originally Posted By fleeceitout⏩
This response is so contradictory. You’re saying everyone must be responsible in life while also saying it’s 100% on the parents.
Can't you see the point it illuminates? It's like what came first, the chicken or the egg?
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Originally Posted By fleeceitout⏩
This response is so contradictory. You’re saying everyone must be responsible in life while also saying it’s 100% on the parents.
Solipsistic-like arguments are weird.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
Semantics.

Unless you mean to say the Congo generals are now the parents and now stolen children turn out exactly how they wanted.

BRB everyone and everything is a parent because 100% of the time anyone who takes charge or doesn't is automatically parental.

solipsistic-like arguments are weird.
It's not semantics at all. You've expressed an inaccurate understanding of his claim and are attempting to argue against it. That's not how you present a valid counter-argument.
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post 1572166851 01-26-2019, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted By DonVonDuck⏩
It's not semantics at all. You've expressed an inaccurate understanding of his claim and are attempting to argue against it. That's not how you present a valid counter-argument.
Solipsistic-like arguments are weird.
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Originally Posted By DonVonDuck⏩
It's not semantics at all. You've expressed an inaccurate understanding of his claim and are attempting to argue against it. That's not how you present a valid counter-argument.


inb4 autism response

edit: in after

post 1572167001 01-26-2019, 01:46 PM
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I pretty much agree although I'd maybe say 95% and not 100%. Occasionally a kid may turn out bad due to factors outside their parents control, however these would be the exceptions and not the norm.
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post 1572167141 01-26-2019, 01:48 PM
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No
I would say 60-75%
Some ppl just have bad brains. Like that dude that fell of his horse and went into a coma then woke up 2 weeks later and was a piece of **** (raped his sisters, killed his mom, ext) even tho he was completely normal before.
As with the case of an altered brain, some ppl are born with deficent ones. If your a highly sensitive person u cant control that through nurture. The way u see the world and react to everything will be different than someone with exactly the same upbringing and parenting
post 1572167231 01-26-2019, 01:49 PM
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post 1572167321 01-26-2019, 01:50 PM
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post 1572169141 01-26-2019, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
Respect to you for understanding how huge of an undertaking it is and the importance of it, something more parents could have done with in todays society.
in an ideal world i'd want kids but this world is ****ed up, especially raising kids in a first world white country as a minority, i don't want my kid to grow up as a minority, **** is rough, and i don't have the income, and i don't expect i ever will to properly raise a kid. ideally i'd want to pay for the kid's education, extracurricular activities. and that alone would cost maybe 100k+, private school, + college and university, extracurricular activities. i think a parent should handle all the costs for the child's education. i wouldn't want my kid to work straight out of highschool. **** that ****. that's the route i took and it's ****ing bull****. i still don't have an education. my dad didn't want to spend a single penny on my education, and so at the age of 15 i got lost into the poverty rat race, the game of trying to make money and never having enough.
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post 1572169251 01-26-2019, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted By 2RDEYE⏩
in an ideal world i'd want kids but this world is ****ed up
All you can do is try to control the things that are within your ability to control.
post 1572169511 01-26-2019, 02:17 PM
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In most cases a childs upbringing is nearly everything but it's not always this way. Some people are just genetically born to be wired one way no matter who raises them.
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post 1572170021 01-26-2019, 02:24 PM
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Then why do some really amazing people come from chitty families? Like I know people whose parents did drugs and barely fed them and we’re just evil people and their kids turned out fine.

If good kids can come from bad parents, why not the opposite?
post 1572170171 01-26-2019, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted By havoc713⏩
Then why do some really amazing people come from chitty families? Like I know people whose parents did drugs and barely fed them and we’re just evil people and their kids turned out fine.

If good kids can come from bad parents, why not the opposite?
First good counterpoint
post 1572170331 01-26-2019, 02:28 PM
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My parents encouraged me to drop out of school when i turned 13. Ended up dropping out at 16.
I didn't know better. Now i do and it took a lot of years finishing highschool and now currently struggling in college old af.

Parents can definitely have a huge impact on your life but they don't control it 100%.
Once you're an adult you can try and carve your own path, but it's definitely the parents who will either help you with a head start of put you way back like mine did.
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Studies on identical twins where the twins have been raised by different parents. Outcomes are incredibly similar.
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
most parents (humans) are complete losers nowadays, they have tattoos, drink alcohol casually and are involved in all type of other devilish acts

show zero respect / tolerance for their environment and can never admit fault

when their kids turn out to also be some type of *******s, they say "i did everything i dont know how it happened"

zero sympathy
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discipline and respect has deffo been lost in this day and age. Families spend less time together, parents don't have time to cook food for their kids, they don't sit round the table together to eat, they spend less time with their parents because there's so many distractions on their phone/tablet. These are all catalysts. That's modern society for you.
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Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
Studies on identical twins where the twins have been raised by different parents. Outcomes are incredibly similar.
Curious to know how ethical it is separating babies and raising them separately and logging and observing their lives for 18 years in a study...

unless they didn't measure or analyse parenting, or the childs upbringing and just used correlation = causation once the kids had grown up.

How did they measure effectiveness of parenting or compare it??? What if both sets of parents were good????

This is why psychology isn't science and neither is sociology, it's all conjecture and correlation.
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Originally Posted By Rajc⏩
i cringe hard when i see people cursing around kids srs most people dont even know how to talk like a half decent human in 2019, also people jaywalking when kids are on the other side of the streets etc, it's ridiculous


a few weeks ago i was out with a girl, streets were empty, no cars coming and we were standing at a red light.. across from us two children (assuming brother & sister) and she wanted to jaywalk lol

grabbed her by the arm, pulled her back, looked her dead in the eye and asked if she realizes there are kids looking at her on the other side

lost a lot of respect srs
Smoking around kids too is the biggest sign of scumbaggery and makes me rage hard, especially babies

Mirin you thinking of the example she'd set the kids, thats the sign of a good community imo.
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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
Smoking around kids too is the biggest sign of scumbaggery and makes me rage hard, especially babies

Mirin you thinking of the example she'd set the kids, thats the sign of a good community imo.
This. My mother smoked a pack a day while pregnant of me. Brb heavy asthma as a kid. Brb turns out smoking with pregnancy can make your offspring shorter. Brb actually 5ft6 manlet.
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
It SHOULD, however our society these days forces both parents to work -- and in some cases work long hours -- instead of staying home and focusing on their child's upbringing. Some kids spend more awake hours in daycare or with a babysitter than with their own mothers.
You could still call the parents 100% responsible for choosing to bring their kids up that way though
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Originally Posted By backinthegymbro⏩
This. My mother smoked a pack a day while pregnant of me. Brb heavy asthma as a kid. Brb turns out smoking with pregnancy can make your offspring shorter. Brb actually 5ft6 manlet.
Thanks mom.
sorry to hear that bro

I had something similar happen to me, was hospitalized multiple times growing up with 2nd hand smoke.

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Originally Posted By DirtyDon123⏩
Imo, it is a combination of parenting skills/unconditional love, inherited personality traits/temperament (yes, some are genetically predetermined), socialization, environmental factors AND the free will of that fully grown frontal-lobed brain they now possess.
Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.

Let's show RESPECT for the POLICE and ALL FIRST RESPONDERS by helping to keep THEM SAFE AND SOUND, and thereby able to PROTECT US!
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Originally Posted By malakas1⏩
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
I wouldn't agree with 100%.

I would say yes, they have a major influence. If we wanted to put a number on it, it would be 90% or higher.

But there is still an individual involved, which is why we have people who are considered the "black sheep", whether that be good or bad.
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