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post 1578644251 04-23-2019, 09:32 AM
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"So why is promoting over-performing Losers logical? The simple reason is that if you over-perform at the Loser level, it is clear that you are an idiot. You’ve already made a bad bargain, and now you’re delivering more value than you need to, making your bargain even worse. Unless you very quickly demonstrate that you know your own value by successfully negotiating more money and/or power, you are marked out as an exploitable clueless Loser."
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Originally Posted By wave_length⏩
Name one country leaning towards capitalism that turned to an extreme form of socialism and people, poor people specifically, were better off afterwards. In each and every case throughout history it was a complete disaster, killing hundreds of million of people in the process BTW.

Companies who treat their employees well are fine in my book of course. We actually did overpay our employees (compared to the market) when I was still in the business. But don‘t fool yourself into believing it‘s more than a business relationship. When the employee finds a job paying much more, he has every right to switch jobs too. I don‘t understand the emotional connection between an employee and a certain employer. What‘s much more important is that there‘s a healthy economy providing enough opportunity for employees. An environment only capitalism is able to provide.
How many countries are as Capitalistic as America though?? America has always been about the dollar
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
Yeah but how long do those capitalistic countries last before falling into debt or turning into socialism because people are tired of getting fuked in the ass? Capitalism is the reason people are looking for Socialism as a saving grace. Capitalism has always been looked at as evil, why? Because look how much it has been abused, The only reason it's fair is because of government intervention.

You can still make great profit treating your employees right, who in turn give good customer service. Look at Chick-fil-A. They obviously could make way more paying their employees less and staying open on Sundays, but instead they take the high road. Now look at the shear numbers they get. But most corporations don't care about that. That's why the have sweat shops overseas paying as little as possible while selling their products at 1000% profit.



I do blame people who buy from Capitalistic corporations. I don't buy from Companies like EA and Activision because of their ways. How they treat employees, how they copy and paste games, etc.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Where I work half the people just talk all day and look at their phones. I dont get how they let it fly.
you need to get a better job or better work environment. you complain about your job constantly. you sound like you're on the rag more than the all-female workforce in your office.
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Originally Posted By PatheticPeter⏩
do you have a job? i'm 100% srs.
Is Capitalism not the reason people have been wanting Socialism?? Why does Bernie Sanders have a fan base? Why is Elizabeth Warren gaining traction?

Capitalism.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
How many countries are as Capitalistic as America though?? America has always been about the dollar
America still has less government intervention in some areas but more in others compared to e.g. western european countries. The differences are not that big. And many european countries have gone more towards capitalism again in the last years.

And it‘s not that the US is all about the dollar. People are all about having the opportunity to better themselves and their lifes. The dollar is just a tool.
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post 1578646071 04-23-2019, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
It's tough to be a slacker if it's not in your nature and this is at the root of a lot of frustration in the workplace. I've always taken pride in doing a good job going back to stocking shelves in the cheese aisle of a grocery store when I was 15 and trying to make it look as nice as possible. In time you realize that hard work is typically rewarded with more work. Meanwhile the ball washers and the phonies who play the game move up because integrity just isn't something they place high value on.
Very true. You either have pride in your work or not. I wish I could be a slacker, but that's not my personality. Although I don't slack, I try to temper my output. Seen it too many times. The performer (me) gets rewarded with more work. Work shifts from the slacker to the performer. Over time, management doesn't want to deal with the slacker, so proportion of work keeps shifting. All this while pay is the same for both employees. Over time, it wears on you.

Also, seems management will bend over backwards for the complainer or someone who's willing to protest or take it to a higher level/legal action. They don't give a **** about the good employee that just does work and never complains.
post 1578647781 04-23-2019, 10:21 AM
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post 1578648751 04-23-2019, 10:36 AM
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What the heck is this all about LOL. $1000 in UBI sounds nice, but is a cop out if you ask me.
Originally Posted By wave_length⏩
America still has less government intervention in some areas but more in others compared to e.g. western european countries. The differences are not that big. And many european countries have gone more towards capitalism again in the last years.

And it‘s not that the US is all about the dollar. People are all about having the opportunity to better themselves and their lifes. The dollar is just a tool.
I'd also like to bring up how some politicians bring up Universal Basic Income. Thanks to Capitalism, businesses would rather hire robots. Why? Because profit. F human beings, more is the end game right? A Business's main priority is to make profits.

Please tell me more how Capitalism is great.
post 1578649691 04-23-2019, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By 1slo5oh⏩
The one issue I have seen from a professional stand point is loyalty or should I say the lack there of. And that goes for both the employer and employee...Wasn't so long ago in the past it wasn't un heard of to see a guy work 20-30+ years and retire from the same company... he worked his a$$ off for them day in and day out and they (the company) took care of him. In doing so he (the employee) never went out looking for the next job that paid $.50 more an hour....

In todays society most companies view you as expendable regardless of position and the employees wont even bat an eye to just not show up the next day because they took a job paying more... I cant say that I blame either side for being that way... it just is the way it is. But because of this you see a lot of people do the absolute fkn minimum because there is no incentive otherwise.
Companies used to understand that properly rewarding loyalty/going above and beyond on the part of employees could lead to securing greater potential long-term profits. During the 1990's, there were so many solid jobs available due to the .com bubble along with a fresh generation of up and coming workers in Gen X'ers who rememebered their parents' materialism but knew nothing about career/work ethics who began job hopping.

Thus, the concept of loyalty collapsed on both ends of the employer/employee relationships, and now younger Gen X'ers, millenials, and Gen Z'ers are trying to cope in the chaotic environment that resulted. Combined with the ever-expanding demand for instant gratification (and enabling of such by the internet taking over nearly every aspect of life), and the issue has only gotten worse. Probably less than 5% of potential jobs out there these days end up being worth gutting out 30-40 years for.
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Because companies will pay you the same wage whether you work hard or fuk around all day. So unless you are a shareholder, there is no incentive to work hard at a cuck job
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If u do more work then they are just gonna give u more work while paying u the same.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
My assumption is because your wage packet won't be increased by 50% if you're 50% more productive. However your wage packet will remain the same if you're 25% less productive.
Partly this, and the other one that mentioned how it often results in getting more work and responsibilities without increase in pay.

My current job has certain metrics (completed contracts/purchase orders) for each month, and it doesn't really behoove you to go much above and beyond that, because you may shoot yourself in the foot and not have enough work to reasonably meet the goals in the next month(s).
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
What the heck is this all about LOL.












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post 1578657701 04-23-2019, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩












political memes are the goat lmao
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post 1578657731 04-23-2019, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Omnivium⏩
there is no incentive to work hard at a cuck job
It all boils down to this..fukkn LOL at EOD
Your schtick sucks and it screams insecurity.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Its like nobody wants to work at all and just abuse the system. Brb eating snacks every 2 hours and taking 20 breaks per day. Brb only working 2 hours. Yet they never get in trouble for it.
Pretty sure this isn't new. Don't let the media fool you. The fifties and forties were full of lazy phucks too.
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what if you work for a good company? one that provides opportunities for advancement and additional responsibility? did i just cuck myself??
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Originally Posted By CommonPheasant⏩
Many companies have made it clear that hard work won’t be rewarded with more pay or a better position. In fact, it often gets you more work and responsibilities for the same pay. Why stand out from the herd then?

The last big raise I got was because the company found out I was going to get an outside offer and they matched it, not a reward for my good work.
pretty much this
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Originally Posted By solidus2k3⏩
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Originally Posted By BroncManiac⏩
Very true. You either have pride in your work or not. I wish I could be a slacker, but that's not my personality. Although I don't slack, I try to temper my output. Seen it too many times. The performer (me) gets rewarded with more work. Work shifts from the slacker to the performer. Over time, management doesn't want to deal with the slacker, so proportion of work keeps shifting. All this while pay is the same for both employees. Over time, it wears on you.

Also, seems management will bend over backwards for the complainer or someone who's willing to protest or take it to a higher level/legal action. They don't give a **** about the good employee that just does work and never complains.
Exactly my point. Its bs. Millions are being effected because of the lazy people. Lol at all the people itt saying the job will pay you the same regardless of how much you work. That isnt the point.
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
I’ve found the best way to higher pay actually is to monkey branch to new companies. Either they pay you more or your current company counters to keep you around.

Lol at playing the long game putting in your time then asking for a raise like a begging peasant.
Usually this is true, but not always. I've been with my current company for a little over 5 years now, and my base salary has increased 53% from when I started. It's all about impressing the right people who actually have the control/authorization to grant promotions and raises. This is a very large corporation by the way.
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Originally Posted By FL_Z32⏩
Usually this is true, but not always. I've been with my current company for a little over 5 years now, and my base salary has increased 53% from when I started. It's all about impressing the right people who actually have the control/authorization to grant promotions and raises. This is a very large corporation by the way.
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Originally Posted By TonyNail⏩
https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/0...to-the-office/
The author's analysis is spot on and succinctly articulates the dynamics that we've all experienced and intuitively known to exist but couldn't quite make sense of.

It perfectly explains why we see the slimiest of slime balls ascend the ranks while the producers stay stuck producing. The sociopathic tendencies (lying, backstabbing, scheming etc...) displayed by certain individuals are identified by the other like minded sociopaths at the top of organizations and since these people are in relative short supply they are quickly scuttled up the ladder. These quities are necessary to make the tough decisions that the people at the top need to make to maximize profits.

It's also interesting to note how and why the "clueless" become sandwiched between the bottom (losers) and the top (sociopaths).

It also makes me really want to watch The Office now.
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Blimey how refreshing to see that all the Ameribrahs are finally catching up to what UK employees have know for decades - your employer cares nothing about you and your job security has nothing to do with your performance.

The end of Western capitalism maybe....
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Too many people ITT are obfuscating employee morale, productivity and value and I can't believe how this needs to be spelled out...

The "morale" employee says: Promote me, I'm "great at my job" and "a good company professional", whatever that means.
The "productive" employee says: Promote me, I'm "efficient and get an insane amount of work done in my contracted time".
The "value" employee says: Promote me, I continue to add money to the company.

Now, step back and look at the point of business.The point of a business is to make money.Who of the above employees adds money? The value-driven worker. BS that morale and productivity mean anything, pretty much the only thing people ITT have nailed. Want proof? Look at mostprofitablebusinesses and see how cold and ruthless those owners are. It's a numbers game, brahs.

And to those who say "Well come on, any owner is going to want good morale and productive employees": no chit, brah - what general isn't going to say he'll take more soldiers into battle?
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
I'd also like to bring up how some politicians bring up Universal Basic Income. Thanks to Capitalism, businesses would rather hire robots. Why? Because profit. F human beings, more is the end game right? A Business's main priority is to make profits.

Please tell me more how Capitalism is great.
Using automation technology has nothing to do with capitalism. It has improved people‘s lifes since the beginning of time, no matter which political system was applied. In fact, we wouldn‘t even be able to have this conversation without it.
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so what's the verdict brahs?
is it worth busting your chops at work? or doing the bare minimum?
what if you have ambitions to rise up the ranks?
how else can you be promoted if you don't show value (which is a bad 'economic' bargain - at least in the short term)?
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