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Originally Posted By SSM12⏩
Ya, but he was also using that to stay his execution. Not that he didn’t, but I think cops were cautious with his truths.

Re: porn. He spent a lot of time insisting his life was normal. I think we all know now it wasn’t. He cared very much what people thought and he in a way had control over it. Porn was easy and safe to blame.

That said, there is like a triangle of red flags for serial killers that cops look for. Cruelty to animals, porn/sex addiction(beyond typical male fluff) and I believe the last is a lack of empathy. I encourage those interested to listen to Ed Kempers interviews. He was a really smart man, and gives great insight into his own crimes as well as generalized about others.

He is interesting because he is very very self aware about it all and is honest. It’s scary how calm and insightful he can be.
Yes Kemper is a great case to study, he tells a lot of things, very insightful
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Originally Posted By shanedawg⏩
brb gotta start acting boring and creepy so people dont think im a psychopath
dude unless your a professional pyschologist and are able to have sessions with people you will never know who is a pyscopathy lol I always laugh when people say they know how to spot them impossible without sessions in which they open up or you catch them doing something crazy like killing a animal and enjoying it, etc.

There is so many books, and knowledge on human behavior a pyschopath could easily mimick normal behavior and be undetectable. Back in the day it is a bit harder you don't have as much resources to study such as movies, and books and pictures, etc.
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I don't know anything about Ted Bundy's childhood and upbringing, but every sociopath I read about in history had a rough childhood with abusive parents. Hitler was abused by his father, Saddam Hussein's father in law abused him, etc. So I think it's the environment they grow up in and their upbringing. Genetics might play a minor role in someone becoming a sociopath but I don't think they are born that way.

I know a girl that I think is a sociopath. She is superficially charming and charismatic, and she is also a pathological liar. She also might have had an abusive childhood because she told me that she use to see a therapist over something that happened in her childhood but she wouldn't elaborate.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
The accurate answer to this would probably terrify you.
This, and it is much higher than:
Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah the estimates I’ve seen are in the 1% to 3% range.
It is hard to measure but the Bundy 'potential' is in a lot of people; most are too scared to act on it. In fact Bundy nurtured his own spiral - and you can see how many people understand that simply through people posting the photos of women he managed to seduce to be around him. The women have that 'potential' too - like these women these days who write to felons and want to bang them - they have a dark, dark element in them that goes beyond 'nurture' or whatever. It can be activated by many different things in life but it is there in many, many people.
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Originally Posted By jrodan⏩
I dont know much about the case and I just watched the movie but someone help me out; the guy never admitted to any of the killings, and was not actually proven to have done them??? Maybe I wasnt paying attention in the movie or it was made poorly, but where exactly was the evidence that he had killed any of them? someone help, I thought the onus was on the prosecutor to PROVE guilt under the assumption that everyone is innocent until then
i think that was the point of the movie. Shoot it from his or his groupies perspective so to make him look charming and innocent.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah CEO’s have a high incidence of sociopathy/psychopathy. Because those personality traits are very advantageous for business. Like being extremely charming and charismatic, being very skilled at manipulating people, lack of empathy, lack of remorse, lack of morals etc. All those features are very good for making money and for leading people.

Same with other high profile professions like surgeons, politicians, church leaders etc. Especially for surgery being a sociopath is probably very advantageous because then you can just cut into another person without emotion and without anxiety.
I think generally speaking, psychopaths spell doom for a company. It's become fashionable with dexter, hannibal, etc for ppl to glorify them, but they are actually just total chit long term.
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Originally Posted By FailedPotential⏩
He must have had some sort of a code, though... because he didn't mess with the kid of the woman he was with, nor did he mess with that woman.

Like all people, I don't think it's a black and white thing, people aren't 100% evil or 100% good, it's not simple like that
LOL

Yeah he stalked women and sadistically raped and beat them to death and then fukked their corpses...but he had a code. He never and I mean NEVER set fire to a toddler and then ate them with BBQ sauce so he's like not a totally bad person or anything.
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Originally Posted By etet1919⏩
I "peeked" at one comment only ... Sociopaths are born this way...They are hardwired to be psychologically manipulative and cunning (meaning, they can "act" charming), while not having an inherit ability to feel empathy or remorse. This makes them very able and willing to hurt and kill others, no matter their "upbringing." Some criminologists have argued these nurture theories; these pathological sociopaths had an abnormal and horrific childhood experience(s), which led to emotional maladjustment... Whereas others believe they had "faulty" prefrontal cortex biochemical wiring from birth, and then certain environmental or situational factors served as "precursor" to their deviant behavior... IMO, I believe the nature theories...

I wonder how many everyday "normal" psychopaths (percentage-wise) walk around...cause I'm tired of dealing with them!!!!!
There's a difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. Many government and corporate leaders are sociopaths, but they won't fall in the ranks of Ted Bundy as a psychopath.
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Originally Posted By Mr
LOL

Yeah he stalked women and sadistically raped and beat them to death and then fukked their corpses...but he had a code. He never and I mean NEVER set fire to a toddler and then ate them with BBQ sauce so he's like not a totally bad person or anything.
lol

I'm not defending him at all, couldn't care less about him or people like him

What I am interested about is what makes them do X and not Y, and why

Perhaps he didn't mess with his step-kid/the woman he was with because it would have been way easier to get caught that way, but maybe he had feels for them, and wouldn't hurt them like he hurt all those other people. And IF he had feels for something, then that questions the whole idea that people like him are entirely cold hearted. Or maybe it was just a cold calculated move that would have put all eyes on him if he touched them

Just speculating to get a better understanding
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah I studied both disorders for a while, antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy/psychopathy) and narcissistic personality disorder. It wasn’t clear to me whether they can co exist in the same person.

Theoretically it would seem like they can’t, because supposedly a sociopath/psychopath would have no insecurities and no need for attention. Whereas that is a narcissist’s driving force. But then in reality it does seem like both disorders can co-exist in the same person. So not sure what to make of that.

Tried to figure that out for a while and read a lot about it. Eventually decided the details don’t matter because either way it’s just a bad person, someone with bad character. And the terrifying part is that these disorders are actually pretty common. Those people are around you everywhere and the chance of encountering one is pretty high.
How is that a mystery? A sociopathy/psychopathy and narcissistic combo is a huge portion of the prison population. A ton of serial killers are the same way. Not just bundy, Iceman is exactlly the same way too. Completely full of chit in love with himself while having no remorse and painting themself as the victim.
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How dare you?

He identified as a psychopathic serial killer, what difference does it make what his "biology" said?

Disgusting.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
The accurate answer to this would probably terrify you. I had a coworker at my job, nicest guy. I talked to him daily and he seemed normal as can be. One day tactical teams come into work and escort him out. Turns out he was a massive child pornography felon, including very inappropriate videos of his young grand daughter. Made me absolutely sick.
Same thing, I had a really nice co worker, charming, funny, cool cat, sang in a great band etc.

Turns out he was stealing pens from the stationary cupboard.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah I studied both disorders for a while, antisocial personality disorder (sociopathy/psychopathy) and narcissistic personality disorder. It wasn’t clear to me whether they can co exist in the same person.

Theoretically it would seem like they can’t, because supposedly a sociopath/psychopath would have no insecurities and no need for attention. Whereas that is a narcissist’s driving force. But then in reality it does seem like both disorders can co-exist in the same person. So not sure what to make of that.

Tried to figure that out for a while and read a lot about it. Eventually decided the details don’t matter because either way it’s just a bad person, someone with bad character. And the terrifying part is that these disorders are actually pretty common. Those people are around you everywhere and the chance of encountering one is pretty high.
Lmao

You say you studied these personality disorders "for a while", as if to suggest your credibility, but your "conclusion" was "it doesn't matter, it's just a bad person"


LMAO! Instead of saying you studied something for a while and came out at the end with nothing, why not just say that: nothing.
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
This, and it is much higher than:



It is hard to measure but the Bundy 'potential' is in a lot of people; most are too scared to act on it. In fact Bundy nurtured his own spiral - and you can see how many people understand that simply through people posting the photos of women he managed to seduce to be around him. The women have that 'potential' too - like these women these days who write to felons and want to bang them - they have a dark, dark element in them that goes beyond 'nurture' or whatever. It can be activated by many different things in life but it is there in many, many people.
I agree that many people have many of the traits of ASPD, but disagree with you thinking it estimates to be that many more that are 100% full on ASPD.

I believe to truly not have a conscience is that rare.
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So was he innocent or guilty srs
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Ted bundy was a cannibal and necrophiliac. Sick fuk. He deserved the electric chair.
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In b4 list of miscers who are potential psychopaths
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Yes he was. Of course you can be born a socio/psychopaths. They can appear and still function like normal people that you would see every day. Many are extremely intelligent. They are very manipulative and compulsive liars. Of course they will have scapegoats and humans just love to have a neatly tied up case that's fully explained by some perceived immoral activity.

While upbringing plays a massive role there are killers who have had privileged lives. It's genetics. You have child killers--as in children that have murdered--interviews and within 30 seconds of listening to them you just know they are not wired correctly. A proper Upbringing could help with suppressing psycho tendencies but it's not a guarantee.

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Originally Posted By TrickHenry⏩
i think that was the point of the movie. Shoot it from his or his groupies perspective so to make him look charming and innocent.
I saw an interview with a police detective who knew Bundy and he was adamant that the guy wasn't articulate, or charming or whatever. Said he was a raving idiot and a dissociative psychopath.
Originally Posted By kingHanley⏩
So was he innocent or guilty srs
Dude was guilty as hell.
Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
This, and it is much higher than:
The women have that 'potential' too - like these women these days who write to felons and want to bang them - they have a dark, dark element in them that goes beyond 'nurture' or whatever.
Some people love evil.
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Originally Posted By OneLegSquats⏩
Or did a really messed up series of events make him develop the skills to be:

Charming
Convincing
Worry free
Completely confident
Detached from his emotions
Able to manipulate who he wants when he wants

Ive never known any serial killer who represents himself exactly how Misc deems as alpha
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It's really interesting looking at all the schit these people got away with in the pre-tech era. That's one positive aspect of widespread technology - there's no such thing as privacy anymore (for such people...)
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Originally Posted By JustMoved24⏩
I agree that many people have many of the traits of ASPD, but disagree with you thinking it estimates to be that many more that are 100% full on ASPD.

I believe to truly not have a conscience is that rare.
I think we are at a stage of existence now where our personal space is so easily observable that we increasingly wear 'masks'. So elements of ASPD are quickly visible and persecuted these days, whereas back then...

And what compounds it is that the ASPD elements won't easily show up unless encouraged. Perhaps a 'popular bully' in childhood would explore more, and more, and the trick would be that nothing in his conscience would make him hold back. But the 'more and more' happens less and less these days.

And it'd be more apparent, I think, if so much of our daily interactions these days weren't through a computer or cell phone.
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I think these serial killers are a perfect storm between many different factors. The thing about serial killers you learn that there was usually some pretty f'd up crap from their childhood but then again a lot of kids grow up with crap like that and still turn into normal people for the most part, or at least they don't go around killing people for little to no reason.

I think with some of these people, some feelings are in negative or backwards, where something that would disgust and sicken most of us actually stimulates them towards desire and pleasure.
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