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post 1580194381 05-15-2019, 06:29 PM
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Was Ted Bundy born that way?

Or did a really messed up series of events make him develop the skills to be:

Charming
Convincing
Worry free
Completely confident
Detached from his emotions
Able to manipulate who he wants when he wants

Ive never known any serial killer who represents himself exactly how Misc deems as alpha
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Pretty sure he was raised in an incestuous family where his dad was his granddad and he was raised thinking his real mom was his sister or some chit. He also had some sort of breakdown where his fiance left him (probably slooted lol), and that seemed to have been the turning point for him. Apparently he was bullied a lot as a kid due to his speech impediment, and he was a very angry kid. He took out his anger on animals and enjoyed hunting and trapping animals and scaring people.

I believe some humans are born with a potential propensity toward this type of behavior. These are people with psychopathic tendencies. My understanding is that the original idea that psychopaths have no empathy was shown to be somewhat false. It was more that they were really good at shutting off their empathy if angry or afraid. If a psychopathic child is exposed to especially traumatic stimuli growing up, it makes them more likely to become like this. There is also some chit with sexual development and associating violence with sex. People like Ted Bundy are especially weird because they are sexual sadists.

https://academic.oup.com/brain/artic.../8/2550/432196
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He was a narcissist who would have been caught much earlier if he tried that stuff now with all of the tech. His early life shaped him some, but I believe it just stirs something that was already dormant. I think counseling and therapy could have definitely impacted him positively. I think he developed his charming personality as a way to mask his insecurity from his strange childhood. First and foremost he was a narcissist, mixed with his lack of empathy and general psychotic behaviors, he wasn’t all that “special”. He was smart as well. He was going to kill until he got caught.

I think Kemper is much more interesting from a psychological standpoint. Even police during his interviews figured out Bundy was slinging bull**** to feed his own ego.

To answer the broader question, I think it’s 20% nature/born like that and 80% nurture
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It was the perfect storm. Genetic potential and circumstances led to him being what he was.
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I dont know much about the case and I just watched the movie but someone help me out; the guy never admitted to any of the killings, and was not actually proven to have done them??? Maybe I wasnt paying attention in the movie or it was made poorly, but where exactly was the evidence that he had killed any of them? someone help, I thought the onus was on the prosecutor to PROVE guilt under the assumption that everyone is innocent until then
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I talked to a local old timer who claims to have seen Bundy dumping female clothing near tiger mountain about 15 minutes away from Lake Sammamish where Bundy was picking people off. He called the cops, but obviously Ted didn't get caught until later. Old timer said he thought for sure it was the serial killer, but wasn't about to approach lol. Cool story, huh?
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Originally Posted By OneLegSquats⏩
Or did a really messed up series of events make him develop the skills to be:

Charming
Convincing
Worry free
Completely confident
Detached from his emotions
Able to manipulate who he wants when he wants

Ive never known any serial killer who represents himself exactly how Misc deems as alpha
Well, if you're born lacking the ability to feel empathy or a conscience, I'd imagine its pretty easy to worry free, confident and detached since you're incapable of processing life any other way.

Being manipulative and charming is easy, just spend time thinking about what motivates other people and feign interest.
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Originally Posted By jrodan⏩
I dont know much about the case and I just watched the movie but someone help me out; the guy never admitted to any of the killings, and was not actually proven to have done them??? Maybe I wasnt paying attention in the movie or it was made poorly, but where exactly was the evidence that he had killed any of them? someone help, I thought the onus was on the prosecutor to PROVE guilt under the assumption that everyone is innocent until then
They had enough evidence to convict him of the Florida murders. I believe 4 states basically worked together to see which has the most evidence to actually nail a conviction. He admitted to some while on death row and basically used it to extend his life as a bargaining chip.


That’s the simple version.

If you’ve seen the movie, Netflix has a 4 part documentary on it too. Ive seen a bunch before that, but for 1 source, the Netflix thing is probably the best
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He had killer looks
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Mostly genetic, psychopath

Semi alpha. But pretty dumb in the end
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Originally Posted By Jessejame5⏩
Mostly genetic, psychopath

Semi alpha. But pretty dumb in the end
BRB get caught trying to drive outta town through roadblocks on the main road
Dumb? What is your body count, smartass?
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I don't think he was born that way at all. I think he was a product of his environment just like the rest of us. If my memory serves me, he also blamed his porn addiction for his extreme behavior. Like a drug addict, he constantly needed more disgusting material to get off. And although I'm sure you porn lovers may disagree, it doesn't seem that far fetched tbh.
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The movie left out the best parts when he'd go back out into the Forrest and fck the headless corpse and then stay there and talk to the head
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I think that someone who thinks what he did was terrible, and absolute disgusting, could themselves become just like him with the right things happening in their lives.

People throw around words like "insane", as if he was actually insane. It's not a word I would use. I would say he was just different than the average person.

A "normal" person, could rationalise themselves into becoming just like him, but it would be very difficult, due to years of programming to not be like that, essentially.

There will always be some spastic wide eye'd kid that will idolise someone like this though, so I hate to give these people any attention at all
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Kinda find it funny that when he escaped to Florida I think? He was out partying like nothing was going on. No one watched the news back then?
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I think some people may be slightly more predisposed to mental issues, but it's usually their circumstances that lead to those sort of extremes. Exposure to sexual/physical abuse, domineering parents, humiliation at a young age, etc.
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Originally Posted By Gringo12⏩
The movie left out the best parts when he'd go back out into the Forrest and fck the headless corpse and then stay there and talk to the head
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Originally Posted By jrodan⏩
I dont know much about the case and I just watched the movie but someone help me out; the guy never admitted to any of the killings, and was not actually proven to have done them??? Maybe I wasnt paying attention in the movie or it was made poorly, but where exactly was the evidence that he had killed any of them? someone help, I thought the onus was on the prosecutor to PROVE guilt under the assumption that everyone is innocent until then
IIRC his teeth records matched bite marks on some of the victims.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Pretty sure he was raised in an incestuous family where his dad was his granddad and he was raised thinking his real mom was his sister or some chit. He also had some sort of breakdown where his fiance left him (probably slooted lol), and that seemed to have been the turning point for him. Apparently he was bullied a lot as a kid due to his speech impediment, and he was a very angry kid. He took out his anger on animals and enjoyed hunting and trapping animals and scaring people.

I believe some humans are born with a potential propensity toward this type of behavior. These are people with psychopathic tendencies. My understanding is that the original idea that psychopaths have no empathy was shown to be somewhat false. It was more that they were really good at shutting off their empathy if angry or afraid. If a psychopathic child is exposed to especially traumatic stimuli growing up, it makes them more likely to become like this. There is also some chit with sexual development and associating violence with sex. People like Ted Bundy are especially weird because they are sexual sadists.

https://academic.oup.com/brain/artic.../8/2550/432196
Interesting. Possibly if he didn't experience this trauma he'd just be one of those cold-hearted CEOs who can fire like 800 people without feeling anything or dump chit into the water supply for a quick buck without a second thought.

Apparently there are some CEOs like this and they rose up to become CEOs because of how utterly ruthless and detached they are. I read a book recently that speculated that Al Dunlap was like this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_J._Dunlap

As even his Wiki says, he freely admitted to having psychopathic traits but considered them to be positive business/leadership traits. He has talked about, for instance, how he really, really enjoyed firing people.

Perhaps if he experienced the same trauma Ted Bundy did he'd be a Ted Bundy...
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I'm pretty convinced some people are just born messed up. Events in their life can amplify how it all plays out though.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Yeah CEO’s have a high incidence of sociopathy/psychopathy. Because those personality traits are very advantageous for business. Like being extremely charming and charismatic, being very skilled at manipulating people, lack of empathy, lack of remorse, lack of morals etc. All those features are very good for making money and for leading people.

Same with other high profile professions like surgeons, politicians, church leaders etc. Especially for surgery being a sociopath is probably very advantageous because then you can just cut into another person without emotion and without anxiety.
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100% was born with some wires crossed. There's no life events that can transform a sane person into some necrophiliac serial killer.
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I "peeked" at one comment only ... Sociopaths are born this way...They are hardwired to be psychologically manipulative and cunning (meaning, they can "act" charming), while not having an inherit ability to feel empathy or remorse. This makes them very able and willing to hurt and kill others, no matter their "upbringing." Some criminologists have argued these nurture theories; these pathological sociopaths had an abnormal and horrific childhood experience(s), which led to emotional maladjustment... Whereas others believe they had "faulty" prefrontal cortex biochemical wiring from birth, and then certain environmental or situational factors served as "precursor" to their deviant behavior... IMO, I believe the nature theories...

I wonder how many everyday "normal" psychopaths (percentage-wise) walk around...cause I'm tired of dealing with them!!!!!
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I wonder how many everyday "normal" psychopaths (percentage-wise) walk around...cause I'm tired of dealing with them!!!!!
The accurate answer to this would probably terrify you. I had a coworker at my job, nicest guy. I talked to him daily and he seemed normal as can be. One day tactical teams come into work and escort him out. Turns out he was a massive child pornography felon, including very inappropriate videos of his young grand daughter. Made me absolutely sick.
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