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Thread: A good example of what the "natty limit" looks like at low bf%

post 1581107051 05-30-2019, 09:31 AM
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post 1581107161 05-30-2019, 09:33 AM
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People still think Jeff Seid is natty.
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post 1581107241 05-30-2019, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted By DstryEvrytng⏩
Yeah but everybody knows (should know) that our natural test levels are far, far below our fathers let alone grandfathers and so on.

Whats cucked is ****gets thinking the way we feel, work and deal with **** is natural. Its not, even guys on trt are pussies compared to their grandfather. Even if your grandfather was a puss we are way more of a puss than our previous gens.

Not that its totally our fault with all the garbage we are forced to buy (whole foods for average wage guys). Its all ****.

That whole boomer term “soy boy” actually means something. Even tho i dont think they know that. Lol
Sadly this is very true. Most of us are pathetic weaklings, both mentally and physically compared to the badass men of earlier generations. Our comfortable, cushy lives have turned us into mere shadows of what men used to be like. I'm not afraid to admit it. My father had 10x the balls I have.
post 1581107471 05-30-2019, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted By ChrissJ⏩
People still think Jeff Seid is natty.
There are people who actually believe Ronnie Coleman was natural up until 1998 (srs).
post 1581110891 05-30-2019, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
All those guys thought it was worth it. Until they were on their death beds dying at an unnaturally young age. Then they probably would have given it all back just to have a few more years with their families, friends, hobbies etc..
In reality though, the chances of moderate use leading to death at an early age are basically slim to none. The guys you are thinking of were on every compound under the sun, not to mention the diuretics which are probably 100x more dangerous than any aas. If you personally wouldnt touch it for health reasons, that is perfectly reasonable, but dont try to say that there are piles of bodies directly attributed to use because that is just not true.
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post 1581111601 05-30-2019, 10:42 AM
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Dude has a weird face but he looks gay af wearing those tights without shorts over.

He should add on a little more bf and train legs more.
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post 1581112651 05-30-2019, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted By nm1891⏩
In reality though, the chances of moderate use leading to death at an early age are basically slim to none. The guys you are thinking of were on every compound under the sun, not to mention the diuretics which are probably 100x more dangerous than any aas. If you personally wouldnt touch it for health reasons, that is perfectly reasonable, but dont try to say that there are piles of bodies directly attributed to use because that is just not true.
Body image issues are a mental problem. Using drugs that alter your body to treat a mental issue is treating the symptoms not the cause.

Do you think these drugs are psychologically addictive? If you say no then how come so many users end up staying on them permanently (cruising and blasting) without taking breaks? If you say yes then it's admitting that these drugs are more powerful and have more negative effects (especially the roller coaster mental mind fuk) than users (even the low dosers) like to talk about or admit to.
post 1581112961 05-30-2019, 11:02 AM
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post 1581113791 05-30-2019, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Body image issues are a mental problem. Using drugs that alter your body to treat a mental issue is treating the symptoms not the cause.
stuff
Literally anything can be psychologically addicting tho. Some things are worse than other things.
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post 1581114081 05-30-2019, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted By AdamSMW⏩
I really don't think that's the natty limit brah, I've seen calisthenics guys look much much better than that with less than 2 years of training.
Maybe with exceptional genetics. People fraud so much, that I wouldn't blink an eye if you told me that dude in the OP was techin'. The natty limit varies, but it won't look much better than that for 90% of dudes. And that is with a 100% perfect diet and consistent hard training.


Dude in OP is DYEL in clothes, and astonishing at the beach. Natty life....
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He looks like he weighs 135lbs.
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For the ppl that are sad ITT, if he gained a little bit of fat, sloots would get wet over his "jacked" physique, and he'd still look good in fitted clothes.
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I would say it’s a good representation of an ectomorph who is natural and dedicated. If he ate more he would fill out a tad.

Source: similar physique to mine and I’ve been lifting 20 years.
post 1581115701 05-30-2019, 11:41 AM
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Dead bang on OP.

The fake natty youtube era has seriously warped people's idea of what a natty looks like.

You will drive yourself insane trying to achieve a physique based on fake natty physiques from youtube. It's always about you and how you're not doing good enough, nope not eating good enough nope not lifting intense enough nope you're not doing this nope you're not doing that...

It doesn't matter what you do or how good you do it. The tech is 100% needed to achieve their look. You're nothing more than a credit card number to them.
post 1581115901 05-30-2019, 11:44 AM
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he doesnt look like he has good genetics tho, so he probably would represent an average natty, not top tier natty.
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post 1581116311 05-30-2019, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
For the ppl that are sad ITT, if he gained a little bit of fat, sloots would get wet over his "jacked" physique, and he'd still look good in fitted clothes.
He'd look better period. Not just in clothes. He looks flat and emaciated. Not a good look.
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Originally Posted By A-man⏩
I would say it’s a good representation of an ectomorph who is natural and dedicated. If he ate more he would fill out a tad.

Source: similar physique to mine and I’ve been lifting 20 years.
I bet these silly natties just feel you with laughter don't they?
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great conditioning.
needs delt and chest work if i had to be picky.

who really cares though, he clearly put in a lot of work and looks better than 99% of the population.
I'd like to get lean again and see where my old man gains have gotten me.
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Sadly this is very true. Most of us are pathetic weaklings, both mentally and physically compared to the badass men of earlier generations. Our comfortable, cushy lives have turned us into mere shadows of what men used to be like. I'm not afraid to admit it. My father had 10x the balls I have.
I keep reading/hearing this elsewhere and it's never backed up by anything. Is there actually a source for this or is it just "T booster" companies spamming broscience?
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Originally Posted By twovalvekid⏩
I keep reading/hearing this elsewhere and it's never backed up by anything. Is there actually a source for this or is it just "T booster" companies spamming broscience?
Coal miners in the 1920s obviously had regular blood work done as part of their annual physicals, so there is plenty of data on the test levels of the pre war generation.

Obviously it's not just a meme
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Originally Posted By Halfway⏩
Coal miners in the 1920s obviously had regular blood work done as part of their annual physicals, so there is plenty of data on the test levels of the pre war generation.

Obviously it's not just a meme
I mean i get that, but i never see actual statistics posted. Just throwing out there it's "lower" than it used to be doesn't mean anything really. Are we talking 1% or 10%?
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looking at these pics makes me believe no one at my gym is natty
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Originally Posted By twovalvekid⏩
I mean i get that, but i never see actual statistics posted. Just throwing out there it's "lower" than it used to be doesn't mean anything really. Are we talking 1% or 10%?
From 87-89 the median level of the men sampled was 501. From 2002-2004 the median level had dropped to 396. Its going down and going down quickly. They've even had to change the level at which you are diagnosed with low T. In the 90's this was below 300 now its below either 250 or 200
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Originally Posted By twovalvekid⏩
I mean i get that, but i never see actual statistics posted. Just throwing out there it's "lower" than it used to be doesn't mean anything really. Are we talking 1% or 10%?
Hard to say, my grandad said during WW2 his battalion was tested monthly for gluten intolerance, so the results for all those blood tests were presumably written down somewhere.

maybe the millions of results were burned in Jason Blaha's house fire?
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Originally Posted By AdamSMW⏩
I really don't think that's the natty limit brah, I've seen calisthenics guys look much much better than that with less than 2 years of training.
This. Lol @ thinking the guy in the op is the natty limit.
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
From 87-89 the median level of the men sampled was 501. From 2002-2004 the median level had dropped to 396. Its going down and going down quickly. They've even had to change the level at which you are diagnosed with low T. In the 90's this was below 300 now its below either 250 or 200
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Originally Posted By ZT89⏩
6'0 215lbs (morning weigh in) at 14.6% with visible abs here, life time natty.

tracked my diet in years. Only started following a program in last 6 months. Meaning im far from my limit. That being said ive trained for 13 years on and off and always busted my balls in the gym. Good sleep, good food, low stress, etc.

Most guys here have piss poor genetics or are just lazy af. You can half ass it twice a week for 2-3 years then claim thats your limit.
I think you’re closer to your limit than you think if you’ve really been training hard for 13 years (and eating well, getting proper sleep). That’s a long time.

You’re not going to get to 250lbs shredded and still stay natty at this point. I don’t care how much more “dedicated” you become. Not trying to hate either... those are just the facts.
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Originally Posted By twovalvekid⏩
Tank BPA and all the soy products?
Everything I've seen on the subject doesn't have any real conclusions just assumptions and those 2 things along with antibacterial soap and obesity usually come up
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
Everything I've seen on the subject doesn't have any real conclusions just assumptions and those 2 things along with antibacterial soap and obesity usually come up
That's what i figured. Diets, and the "products" in them along with our lack of sleep and increased stress levels.
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