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Thread: Ask a guy that has been lifting naturally for 17 years straight anything

post 1616423341 09-13-2020, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted By brahskimoseph⏩
Been lifting for about 12-13 years myself and we have very similar stats, although I no longer squat or deadlift or train lower body at all really
Injuries? Im the same, used to deadlift between 450-500, ****ed my back now even thinking about it hurts.
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Mirin

I also acknowledge that the way you do things by accepting to be less lean to make progress is the most efficient way. I have been too obsessed with staying lean that it takes me a long time to increase my lifts, and I also have to have everything else in check (sleep, recovery etc). Your thread has made me reconsider a few things.

fukkin mirin OHP
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Originally Posted By Legendsneverdie⏩
Best app on my phone is intensity. I log all my barbell work and almost weekly, because i m bulking, i break pr's.

Just downloaded cant keep track in my head anymore
post 1616436871 09-13-2020, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted By FrankGrimes29⏩
Nice brah. Mirin srs. Have been lifting for 9 years. Was on 230lbs bloatlord status until covid hit and I got H. Pylori right at the beginning. Gonna hit it hard now though and do a cleaner bulk for the next year at least. Want to push some big numbers next year.

I thought I had some big legs but holy ****. You have some cannons. What do you do for your bis/tris? Those are my biggest weakpoints. Want to see what other natty brahs found success in.
I honestly do not do to much direct work for bi's and tris. I focus on regular upper body workouts (pullups, back rows, bench, shoulder press, etc) and just finish off with some bicep curls or triceps extensions. Come to think of it though, lately i have been doing some floor pressing after doing shoulder press, and i do think this has given me strength in my shoulders and triceps. I would suggest try working in floor press with a pause at the bottom, this is such an under valued motion IMO. My arms genetically were one of my stronger points too. I d suggest just make sure you are doing major compound movements while at the same time attack arms.
Originally Posted By mycorona⏩
Injuries? Im the same, used to deadlift between 450-500, ****ed my back now even thinking about it hurts.
Posted this before, here is my angle on injuries:
Injuries are irl and they will happen. Have had a "sprain" to probably every muscle and joint in my body, nothing that didnt recover. I would say the two areas in my body that have encountered the most "injury" more so in the past, have been shoulders and low back. What is important here is to figure out what you are doing wrong and stop doing it. Low back injuries, for me, were likely related to poor core bracing. With a belt on and proper breathing and bracing technique my low back issues have gone away. Actually attack low back too with lowback/hyper extensions. Shoulder issues were too mostly related to poor bench press form. I do believe in attacking rear delts too to hopefully decrease injury and keep shoulders in "alignment". Again when i was younger i encountered these injuries much more than I do now. It's a matter of knowing your body too. I can do a deadlift and feel a twink in my spine and know to walk away now and if i dont things will get worse. You can sometimes feel a "burn" in the shoulder and know everything is ok just keep your form tighter. You really learn your body over time and know what signs/symptoms will make you pay later and what signs are just signaling you are out of alignment. If you go heavy, i dont care who you are, you WILL GET INJURED. Just learn from these and keep ego in check. Record your lifts with your phone from time not so that you can brag on the gram but so that you can really look at your technique. Really helps in improving form/decrease injury.
Originally Posted By tvr123⏩
Mirin

I also acknowledge that the way you do things by accepting to be less lean to make progress is the most efficient way. I have been too obsessed with staying lean that it takes me a long time to increase my lifts, and I also have to have everything else in check (sleep, recovery etc). Your thread has made me reconsider a few things.

fukkin mirin OHP
I know some guys do slow clean bulk and make gains, but you have consider many of them might be fake natty's too. Then you have to consider when you go full blown bloat lord dreamer bulk, you will have to burn fat (which will lead to some muscle loss) to get lean again. What i m trying to say, try to find a happy medium. Get on a good program, eat a little more, and watch the mirror. When you do get to a point where you feel you do not look as good, weigh your options then : do i want to be leaner or and am i enjoying the beast mode strength gains.
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post 1616445371 09-13-2020, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By 2020visionz⏩
Just downloaded cant keep track in my head anymore
Once you get use to it, you ll never go back. i do not pay for it at all. I just use it to follow a program for my main lifts and then log any additional work after that. Then i have a clear view of my strength progression over time, this has essential in measuring progress.
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I’d ask how it feels to know it was all pointless but I can already answer that myself
"One day I won't be able to lift any more. Not I won't want to lift. I mean physically unable. That day could be decades from now or it could be tomorrow. All I know is that's the day I'll wish I could lift more than ever. The day I'd give anything for one more workout, one more set, or one more cardio session. So go hard and enjoy every workout, every set, every rep. Because one day you will wake up and you will never get it back."
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post 1618432801 10-04-2020, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted By SoutheastBeast1⏩
I’d ask how it feels to know it was all pointless but I can already answer that myself
i have no regrets man. It was a day in and day out battle with myself. On my death bed, i ll remember the fight.
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Originally Posted By Legendsneverdie⏩
I m honestly 20ish %bf right now which probably wont be impressive on the surface. And i am ok with it. I ve been training heavy and breaking PR's in different rep ranges almost weekly.



Imagine lifting for 17 years just to be fat as fuc
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The Industrial Revolution has forever changed the face of the American Novel. Can you please discuss this citing specific examples?
“That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.” - The Nameless City by HP Lovecraft
"The higher the prevalence of infectious diseases the higher the probability of totalitarian political attitudes."
-Dr. Jordan Peterson Sept 2017
"The search for a moral equivalent of war continues to define American Liberalism to this day."
post 1618434861 10-04-2020, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
The Industrial Revolution has forever changed the face of the American Novel. Can you please discuss this citing specific examples?
trying to connect the dots here
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Originally Posted By Legendsneverdie⏩
trying to connect the dots here
Billy Madison Trivia Bowl quote
“That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.” - The Nameless City by HP Lovecraft
"The higher the prevalence of infectious diseases the higher the probability of totalitarian political attitudes."
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holy fuk u got some big tree trunks mane

mirin that ohp tho, I'm out here just trying to hit 185 lol

you would look really good lean brah, but you have different goals, so you do you mane, every now and then the strength itch comes calling.
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
holy fuk u got some big tree trunks mane

mirin that ohp tho, I'm out here just trying to hit 185 lol

you would look really good lean brah, but you have different goals, so you do you mane, every now and then the strength itch comes calling.
ty man, arms and legs were never a weak point for me genetically.

What really helped my standing ohp was seated barbell ohp. Work on your ohp seated and standing. When you do your seated OHP make sure you are coming all the way down, and find a technique that works for you where you do not blow your shoulder out doing this. i find using a narrower grip helps to save my shoulders.

Honestly if i started to cut now, my lifts would drop, and i d feel like **** as i do feel like i have a bit more in the tank. Plus its winter and looking lean in a jacket isnt worth it.
When the spring comes, i may cut down for summer, might drop down to 210-220ish and shoot for below 15bf
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How many sloots have been impressed with your numbers in the gym?
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Originally Posted By oSmoked⏩
How many sloots have been impressed with your numbers in the gym?
its not about sloots. and if you want to go there, as a natural strength does equate to size = getting noticed over twinks.
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I've been lifting for 10 years and my lifts stopped increasing after about 2 years srs. I also stopped gaining weight after one bulk phase. Biggest I ever got was 215 and I was bloated and fat AF. Felt like chit. I now hover around 185 perpetually.

I'm 6'3 btw
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Originally Posted By MetroBrah⏩
I've been lifting for 10 years and my lifts stopped increasing after about 2 years srs. I also stopped gaining weight after one bulk phase. Biggest I ever got was 215 and I was bloated and fat AF. Felt like chit. I now hover around 185 perpetually.

I'm 6'3 btw
Dude I'm 210lbs right now and feel like a twig. I'm only 6'1.5 lol. I don't get the bloat fat feeling until 225-230.

If I was 6'3 like you I'd be 220-230 and maintain that solid and walking around like a brick chithouse.
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Originally Posted By MetroBrah⏩
I've been lifting for 10 years and my lifts stopped increasing after about 2 years srs. I also stopped gaining weight after one bulk phase. Biggest I ever got was 215 and I was bloated and fat AF. Felt like chit. I now hover around 185 perpetually.

I'm 6'3 btw
going to have to go into a bulking diet and this time get on a PROGRAM. I use the app intensity to log/calculate my lifts and i do a custom 5/3/1 training split, i ve blasted through long time PRs and plateaus.
Originally Posted By FrankGrimes29⏩
Dude I'm 210lbs right now and feel like a twig. I'm only 6'1.5 lol. I don't get the bloat fat feeling until 225-230.

If I was 6'3 like you I'd be 220-230 and maintain that solid and walking around like a brick chithouse.
I m 6'0, 245lb and bloat lord status. 210lbs is a good enough size, especially if pretty lean at 210
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What is diet like?
Now vs lean?

I've been 6'0 210 relatively lean at my biggest but currently a shadow of my former self. Been at it naturally since 18 and just turn 33. Started at 140lbs skinny fat.
The thing that is annoying is to be ripped vs relatively lean, the calorie disparity and recovery abilities are huge.
Like 2k cals to be ripped vs 3000-3200 to be juicy.
How the fuk do I need 2k cals to be ripped at 165lbs, 175lbs, 185, etc. Gaining muscle I think people grossly over estimate how much more cals they'd be able to eat. Eventually to be ripped, is to suffer.
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You’re doing it right with going bloat for a bit. I’ve been sitting between 165-170 for years now. Not really making any gains. Just started a pretty heavy bulk and strength is shooting up. Good work man. Starting to think spending time as a bloatlord is the best way to go for nattys that have been stuck for a while.
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Originally Posted By MetroBrah⏩
I've been lifting for 10 years and my lifts stopped increasing after about 2 years srs. I also stopped gaining weight after one bulk phase. Biggest I ever got was 215 and I was bloated and fat AF. Felt like chit. I now hover around 185 perpetually.

I'm 6'3 btw
surprised 215 is bloat status for you. I think 215 is a good lifetime weight to shoot for at your height to be lean and somewhat big at the same time although as a natty one may argue you can't have both worlds
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Originally Posted By Hartley110⏩
What is diet like?
Now vs lean?

I've been 6'0 210 relatively lean at my biggest but currently a shadow of my former self. Been at it naturally since 18 and just turn 33. Started at 140lbs skinny fat.
The thing that is annoying is to be ripped vs relatively lean, the calorie disparity and recovery abilities are huge.
Like 2k cals to be ripped vs 3000-3200 to be juicy.
How the fuk do I need 2k cals to be ripped at 165lbs, 175lbs, 185, etc. Gaining muscle I think people grossly over estimate how much more cals they'd be able to eat. Eventually to be ripped, is to suffer.
Diet now vs lean is the same at the core (6 meals a day and approx 40%protien / 40% carb/ 20% fat ratio)
When bulking add in some extra carbs/fats, when cutting progressively cut out those extra carbs/fats and do more cardio, and as you say, suffer with hunger.
Originally Posted By George2100⏩
You’re doing it right with going bloat for a bit. I’ve been sitting between 165-170 for years now. Not really making any gains. Just started a pretty heavy bulk and strength is shooting up. Good work man. Starting to think spending time as a bloatlord is the best way to go for nattys that have been stuck for a while.
I've got the best results going bloat to shred. Just do not want to over bloat, the status i am at now, look at my pics, is just about the most bloat you want to get.
Cut slowly and carefuly, dont want to muscle waste with a fast cut.
Originally Posted By sooby⏩
surprised 215 is bloat status for you. I think 215 is a good lifetime weight to shoot for at your height to be lean and somewhat big at the same time although as a natty one may argue you can't have both worlds
you can hit 215 and be pretty lean as natty at 5'11+
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Good **** OP for staying natty.
In the lean pic you look good no homo.
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Originally Posted By Jatt24⏩
Good **** OP for staying natty.
In the lean pic you look good no homo.
yeah i dont look bad lean, def do not have elite bodybuilding genetics though.

At this point, there wouldnt be much of a reason to go non-natty. Last time i had my test level checked they were good too.
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Your deadlift doesn’t seem that impressive compared to your bench IMO. What gives, OP?
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Originally Posted By ShakeBrah⏩
Your deadlift doesn’t seem that impressive compared to your bench IMO. What gives, OP?
deadlift was one of my most stubborn lifts over the years. Long torso and not very long arm crew check in. My deadlift has actually progressed more than any other lift.

I do beleive my deadlift will soon surpass my squat, although my squat/dead are neck and neck right now.

Widened my deadlift stance (this is essential for me because i am a normal leg length, long torso, short arm crew),
learned hook grip (straps were fukin me up)
greatly improved my core bracing
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Kinda depressing
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Originally Posted By Nonsense916⏩
Kinda depressing
its the reality for nattys. Your perceptions of what is depressing isnt legit either, cause you will compare nattys to un nattys.

For a guy who I would say was genetically more atheletic than most growing up, but not in the top 5% of genetics, what i shared is what you should expect. If i cut and took pictures that were instagram like, my progress would look alot better in your eyes. if i walk into any random fitness center right now in the bulk mode I am in, i am stronger than 95% of people, all around , if not 100% of people in that gym.
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