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post 1620125161 10-22-2020, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted By Noobyy
Same.

£200 of my monthly tax goes towards the NHS. £200. A young medically fit and physically fit 27 year old, and I am forced to pay £200 a month. My knee was injured for 18 months before I saw a consultant who couldn't diagnose.

But yeh, its free for gloria who ****s herself everyday in a nursing home so we can prolong her life for 2 more years.

Free my ****ing ass.
If you were able to get private health insurance would you have been able to get into the doctor sooner?
post 1620125451 10-22-2020, 01:45 PM
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I know dat feel op , fukked around with the numbers a little and got it a little under $900

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=179079251
post 1620125931 10-22-2020, 01:51 PM
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no health insurance for 3 years crew
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post 1620126251 10-22-2020, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted By ANumber1
You have to take it in the context of the day. Franklin's famous quote about trading essential liberty for temporary security was actually in reference to the liberty of the Pennsylvania colonial legislature to do what it wanted without the monarch's approval. (See Pennsylvania Assembly's Reply to the Governor, 1755.)

We understand the Constitution to restrain all government because of the 14th Amendment and Incorporation Doctrine. However, most of the resistance to the Constitution and demands for a Bill of Rights came from Founders who specifically wanted thefederalgovernment curtailed to ensure that states could decide how to govern themselves without interference. (Hence, "anti-federalists".)

In plain English, the 10th Amendment says that this is between the states and their people to settle. The police power, the broad power to pass and enforce laws providing for general order and public safety (like regulations requiring you to wear a seatbelt or carry any kind of insurance), was not explicitly granted to the federal government nor barred to the states, so presumptively is devolved to the states to make their own rules as they see fit.

(See Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824, unanimously decided with a Revolutionary War veteran as Chief Justice, which provides an extensive discussion on public health laws being the domain of the states: "They form a portion of that immense mass of legislation, which embraces every thing within the territory of a State, not surrendered to the general government: all which can be most advantageously exercised by the States themselves. Inspection laws, quarantine laws, health laws of every description, as well as laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c., are component parts of this mass.")

(See also Barron v. Baltimore, 1833, also unanimous from the Marshall Court: "...it is universally understood, it is a part of the history of the day, that the great revolution which established the constitution of the United States, was not effected without immense opposition. ... These amendments demanded security against the apprehended encroachments of the general government—not against those of the local governments. ... These amendments contain no expression indicating an intention to apply them to the state governments. This court cannot so apply them.")

It was only after the ratification of the 14th Amendment, post-Civil War, that the Constitution came to be interpreted as guaranteeing the same individual rights against the states. Some of the Founders would have been irate, but they weren't all of one mind back then either and some actively hated each other. The police power is still what it is, though.
Good post, I dont have much time right now but i understand your point, not all of the founding fathers saw eye to eye, for example i think Hamilton was a piece of **** that would have been pro government interference in everything whilst Jefferson would have been against it. I align with Jefferson in his early vision for the country a lot more. There is clearly conflict here with the tenth and fourteenth amendments that need to be set straight..
post 1620126261 10-22-2020, 01:57 PM
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Got rid of insurance this past year. Been paying for stuff out of pocket. So far saving money.

But I suppose it’s a gamble, assuming no one in my family gets cancer or something.

There’s benefits to America’s healthcare system, and big negatives too. After paying thousand of dollars in insurance and thousands to hospitals and doctors offices the past few years, our system definitely sucks, but sucks a little less than socialized healthcare. It’s the smartest retard.
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