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post 1623455211 11-23-2020, 09:10 AM
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de·ter·rent
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a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.
"cameras are a major deterrent to crime"


It does not deter people from committing crimes. This isn't debatable. You're either trolling or you have no idea how deterrents work.
Then why do 99% of murderers want to avoid the death penalty?
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Yes, I do.

But not the life of luxury death penalty that Westerners believe in. Suspect should be given a fair trial based on evidence. If found guilty and the death penalty is warranted - they should be executed immediately.
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I used to be for it, but I've recently had a change of heart because I learned of this case:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy. It broke my heart srs.

I've since learned that there have been over 100 cases over the past few decades where a defendant was sentenced to death but were later proven innocent because of technology or confession recants or some other development. In my mind, to sentence even one innocent person to die is unacceptable so I am against the death penalty in general.

The only time I think it would be acceptable is when the evidence shows that the accused committed the crime with 100% certainty. I'm talking evidence where there can be absolutely no doubt, a higher standard than the 'beyond reasonable doubt' needed for a conviction.
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I have no problem with it. I wish they would shove them all on an island, let chit go down death match style then just deport the winner.

If you think all life is precious, cool. Just deport their ass then.

I dont really care as long as tax money isnt being spent on keeping them in a cage for no reason but some pricks morality.
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there are some decent arguments against it - could execute innocents, cost more than life anyways ect but I am still in favor of it
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kinda a pointless discussion when your entire society and the prison system is ****ed up

war on drugs, private prisons, high reoffending rates, punishment over rehabilitation, overcrowding

it's ****ed. the death penalty is just the cherry on top of the chit cake

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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786⏩
Yes, I do.

But not the life of luxury death penalty that Westerners believe in. Suspect should be given a fair trial based on evidence. If found guilty and the death penalty is warranted - they should be executed immediately.
Ya, but then you look at how the legal system works. Prosecutors exist to convict people, guilty or not. If the defense sucks, or the evidence points towards guilt, the person is guilty whether they are innocent or not. (this seems obvious) I listened to a podcast of some sort a while back where a prosecutor was saying he didn't care if the person was actually guilty. His reason for existing was to get a conviction any legal way he could.

That is a pretty flawed system, but its the best we seem to have.

I think there needs to be some pretty severe criteria that needs to be in place before someone is executed. (I dont know what that would be)

Time and time again science proves someone innocent years after.

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Death penalty sentences require an infallible justice system which has never and will never exist. For this reason I don’t see how any logical person could possibly be in favor of it.
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100% support the death penalty. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

There will never be a "perfect" justice system so ppl can shove the moral high ground argument up theirs.
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Originally Posted By jdforsy⏩
Death penalty sentences require an infallible justice system which has never and will never exist. For this reason I don’t see how any logical person could possibly be in favor of it.
Our system is really great now, especially with DNA and forensics. Plus if you give them life without parole and they die in prison, was that any better?
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Originally Posted By NillaWafer⏩
I used to be for it, but I've recently had a change of heart because I learned of this case:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arridy. It broke my heart srs.

I've since learned that there have been over 100 cases over the past few decades where a defendant was sentenced to death but were later proven innocent because of technology or confession recants or some other development. In my mind, to sentence even one innocent person to die is unacceptable so I am against the death penalty in general.

The only time I think it would be acceptable is when the evidence shows that the accused committed the crime with 100% certainty. I'm talking evidence where there can be absolutely no doubt, a higher standard than the 'beyond reasonable doubt' needed for a conviction.
You are against something because of something that happened in 1939? Seriously?
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The justice system as a whole has a long way to go. But in general I support the death penalty. Its typically the more heinous cases that get them. Yes in the past with technology, investigations, legal proceedings, etc. innocent people got sentenced. But in the modern era I think its extremely difficult to get a conviction and death sentence even when people are 100% sure the person at hand committed the crime.
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Originally Posted By Hutrapper⏩
Ya, but then you look at how the legal system works. Prosecutors exist to convict people, guilty or not. If the defense sucks, or the evidence points towards guilt, the person is guilty whether they are innocent or not. (this seems obvious) I listened to a podcast of some sort a while back where a prosecutor was saying he didn't care if the person was actually guilty. His reason for existing was to get a conviction any legal way he could.

That is a pretty flawed system, but its the best we seem to have.

I think there needs to be some pretty severe criteria that needs to be in place before someone is executed. (I dont know what that would be)

Time and time again science proves someone innocent years after.

Would a judges decision be enough for you to pull the lever?
I don't know which country you live in, but guilt is determined by average people who listen to extensive testimony and inspect evidence.

Prosecutors don't take all cases that come their way. If there's no case there, they won't take it. The quote you posted just means that a prosecutor just does their job.

I think a lot more people get away with murder and serious crime due to our justice system than those rare cases where someone hasn't done it and gets the death penalty because the evidence suggests so. Just like war, there is always going to be "collateral damage" that cannot be avoided no matter how advanced technology becomes.

America has the highest per capita crime and murder than any other country. Why is that? Simply because people get away with chit all the time. They commit the same crimes upon release. I saw a story about a dude who was accused of murder walking away and within 24 hours killing another person. People just aren't afraid enough of the consequences of their serious crimes. They know they'll be playing ping pong for years to come without worrying about paying bills and getting 3 square meals a day. That's better than many of us out in the free world get.
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There’s plenty of people I could care less if they die. And probably should be offed. But fundamentally, no, I don’t agree with any government having the power to take someone’s life.
It's not 'the government'. You are put on trial by a jury of your peers, charged by the community's prosecutor and sentenced by a judge elected by the people or appointed by someone elected by the people.

The American public should definitely have the power to execute someone. But, if we have the confidence in our justice system to pass this sentence we should have the confidence to carry it out asap.
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In theory, yes, but our justice system sucks too much to apply it with any confidence.
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i used to be for it. Today, i would rather not give the government that kind of power. I also do not trust peoples judgment. even with eye witnesses people are such sheep. They will say they saw something that didnt even occur. and they might even believe it if they heard someone else say it.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
there are some decent arguments against it - could execute innocents, cost more than life anyways ect but I am still in favor of it
What about guilty people who did it getting out on the streets? That happens more often than "an innocent being executed."

True, we've made the death penalty too expensive. Why is this monster being given a "humane" death by syringe when they may have tortured and killed others? Do it the old fashioned way and hang them.
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
In theory, yes, but our justice system sucks too much to apply it with any confidence.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
It's not 'the government'. You are put on trial by a jury of your peers, charged by the community's prosecutor and sentenced by a judge elected by the people or appointed by someone elected by the people.

The American public should definitely have the power to execute someone. But, if we have the confidence in our justice system to pass this sentence we should have the confidence to carry it out asap.
You should also ask them if they are OK with euthanasia. That to me is worse than the death penalty, yet many people against the death penalty are for euthanasia for some reason (I am for both under extreme circumstances).
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Originally Posted By ChunkBuster⏩
Do you agree with the death penalty?

Seems like the US is the last Western country to have it.

Zero re-offending though!
I was working in the same prison as Gary Heidnik and was supposed to do "therapy" with him. But, he was in like a catatonic state for years, so that was impossible. One day, they took him to Rockview Prison and killed him.

That grossed me and everyone else out.

It's weird working for a place that doesn't kill people in a fight. A fight is an okay way to kill someone but killing people sitting in some room for years is in a way far more of a murder than what the murderer did. Heindnik was insane, to a very high degree, but all the people working at the prison, including me, were not insane and yet were involved in killing him in a methodical manner.

It is gross and average state employees should not have to be involved.
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Originally Posted By ChunkBuster⏩
Do you agree with the death penalty?

Seems like the US is the last Western country to have it.

Zero re-offending though!
I support it in extreme cases of heinous crimes and were the perpetrator's identity is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. People like Anders Brehvik should not be living among us even if it's in a cage imo.
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It was kind of BS before DNA testing it's a lot more "secure" now.

With that said regardless of the crime, I don't think the death penalty should be on the table w/o overwhelming evidence even if the person is convicted. There should be another standard higher than beyond reasonable doubt for it.
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I’m conflicted. I used to think we should use it more often because there are people who are irredeemable and will always be a threat to society.

Nowadays I’m not so sure. Tyranny of the authoritarian, fascist left is taking over and making a mockery of our legal system. People like Kyle Rittenhouse or any cop who has to use lethal force against a venerated, sacred group of people will be killed by the state.

I couldn’t imagine being in a position where I’m in legitimate fear for my life, defending myself, and then end up getting killed by the state anyways.
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I have no issue with the death penalty. There are some people on this planet who don't deserve to live and should be put down without mercy.

The only concern is when innocent people mistakenly are sentenced for something they didn't do. If the proof is 100% there without doubt in a severe enough crime, I'm all for it.
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Originally Posted By Goodguy03⏩
I got the death penalty once. The guard fell asleep at my cell so i just unlocked the door and left lol
That gut is like 3 life sentences.

I am all for it as long as the person is 100% guilty. Like the Batman killer, we know for a fact he did it. But he's just chilling in a cell somewhere.
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Originally Posted By wings_unhinged⏩
I support it in extreme cases of heinous crimes and were the perpetrator's identity is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. People like Anders Brehvik should not be living among us even if it's in a cage imo.
I agree with this.
However, afaik dead penalty is more expensive for society because of litigation, and if that really is the case, then I’m not for it.

I also think all prisoners should be given a choice every 10 years or whatever number of years to be asked whether they would prefer the death penalty compared to serving the rest of their life sentence. I think some people believe “life in prison” is more cruel than death penalty, but I really believe almost everyone would rather live in prison than be given the death penalty - However, for those who would rather die, I see no reason why not.
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Originally Posted By RW2⏩
I’m conflicted. I used to think we should use it more often because there are people who are irredeemable and will always be a threat to society.

Nowadays I’m not so sure. Tyranny of the authoritarian, fascist left is taking over and making a mockery of our legal system. People like Kyle Rittenhouse or any cop who has to use lethal force against a venerated, sacred group of people will be killed by the state.

I couldn’t imagine being in a position where I’m in legitimate fear for my life, defending myself, and then end up getting killed by the state anyways.
I met a "child predator" in prison and he was in for 15 years.

I used to think he was creepy and busted looking. One day he shows me a letter and it's from his now 18 year old victim, who was never his victim.

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I then got the letter to the judge and he was released.

Nowadays, we have a LOT of sheep people in the US who automatically believe every decision from a "scientist" etc is real fact. In this case the guy got convicted and was 15 years into a long sentence and no one questioned it.

Imagine if he was murdered or castrated for something some bitch set him up for because he forgot to get extra cheese on the pizza or whatever.
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Originally Posted By wings_unhinged⏩
I support it in extreme cases of heinous crimes and were the perpetrator's identity is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. People like Anders Brehvik should not be living among us even if it's in a cage imo.
If you look at my posts in this thread, you might think differently.

Anders Brehvik isn't being rehabed for Anders, but rather the society.

If it doesn't work well, it is still a great message to society. It's a "we try very hard" message to the people of the country.

So, when other issues come up, the people can have confidence.

In the US, we don't have a "we try hard" message we have a "that's the way it is" message.

For instance, if you drive through most big cities in the US, they are falling apart and crime ridden. If you ask why, MANY people will say, "That's just the way it is" and will let it all go. We do not believe that there's a team of people that will protect our society.

In some Nordic countries they even removed traffic lights and stuff. The message is, "We have confidence" and my city there's automatic cameras in traffic "catching people" and even if you make a mistake and go over a line to far to turn the camera sends you a ticket. So, the message is, "We have no confidence in you".
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Meh, first off, good post OP, srs. This is something I've studied quite a bit and honestly depending on the day I tend to change my mind about. It's a tough one. I would probably LEAN towards abolition, but again I wouldn't quote me on that. It's a very complicated subject taking into account several different narratives and arguments.
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It should be used for anyone who would get a life sentence, where it is undeniable that they did it, AND the case has to go to trial. Essentially, create a second tier of burden of proof. To just be found guilty - beyond a reasonable doubt. Death penalty - Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Example: That Holmes guy in Colorado who shot up the theater. 0% chance that he is innocent. Give him an option. Tell him that if he's found guilty, he will receive the death penalty. If he pleads he can get life in prison. If he accepts the plea and saves the time/money of a trial...life in prison. If he fights it and is found guilty, death penalty.
Everything depends upon execution; having just a vision is no solution.

Performance and performance alone dictates the predator in any food chain.
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