Solve this logic puzzle

07-27-2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted By Azrairc⏩

ive got a better one

you have a women who always lies
a tranny
and a knight that can't lie

One says he has a penis
One says he enjoyed looking at her penis
One said transexual can't be a women

whos lying?

Not a precise problem lol, cant really give a "true" answer.

Here's a casual answer. Surely the woman (women?) wouldnt be the first two, as the individual is being referenced as "he". Thus the third person- "One said transexual cant be a women"- is the woman. Since in the given info the woman always lies, this at least must be a lie.

But again this is all an imprecise problem and ambiguous.

No one gonna answer any of the above? Thought misc was all about IQ and all that (smh at IQ in general!)

08-03-2021, 05:36 PM

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Bumping for answers to the above Planet Misc problems. With all the flat earth threads rampant on the misc, seems like some exercises in basic logic might not be a bad thing.

08-03-2021, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted By backinthegymbro⏩

Green southerner? I'm retarded but felt like replying since no one else is. Most likely wrong answer though.

How did you arrive at this?

Correct btw, gjdm. I'd rep but on spread.

08-03-2021, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted By Azrairc⏩

ive got a better one

you have a women who always lies
a tranny
and a knight that can't lie

One says he has a penis
One says he enjoyed looking at her penis
One said transexual can't be a women

whos lying?

the man that said 'her penis', like a phaggot

08-03-2021, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted By backinthegymbro⏩

green northerner says the truth. so if he says he's north red and spoke the truth, then green north is disqualified.
A north red always lies. So a north red saying he's north red is impossible, he also is disqualified.
South red speaks the truth. So like with the green north, if the person really is a north red, the south red is disqualified.
Finally south green. A south green lies. if a south green says he's from north red, it's possible. Because it's a lie.

Not sure if this is how you're supposed to do it.

Great solution. So you eliminated the other 3 possibilities and were left with green southerner, which turns out to be compatible with saying that quote. So he must be a green southerner.

This general idea would make a great springboard to solving some of the rest of the problems. Problem 1 is solved!

08-05-2021, 03:38 AM

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1. Green southerner
2. Chad -No. Timmy - Green Northerner
3. Are you a northerner?
4. Yes -> Williams. No -> Thomas
5. RN/GS since that’s a false logical statement?!
6. Brian -> GS. Karl -> RN if the second line is evaluated expression by expression and not by its final value

08-05-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩

1. Green southerner
2. Chad -No. Timmy - Green Northerner
3. Are you a northerner?
4. Yes -> Williams. No -> Thomas
5. RN/GS since that’s a false logical statement?!
6. Brian -> GS. Karl -> RN if the second line is evaluated expression by expression and not by its final value

I agree with #1, 2 and 3. Would rep but on spread.

#2 is great because both Chad and Timmy are essentially saying they are green northerners, but the answer is different between the two.

You'd have to explain what you did for #4. There should be one thief, and he is known.

In #5, it can only be a false logical statement when the status of the person speaking is given. If the person actually is red and a northerner, is it false? In other words, if it's the case X is true and Y is true, is the logical statement X->Y true or false?

In #6, as with all statements given on planet misc, it is the whole uttered statement that is true/false based on the status of the person giving it.

Problems #1-3 have now been solved, gjdm

08-05-2021, 10:24 AM

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08-05-2021, 10:49 AM

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For question 4 we know the following:

John is telling the truth.
The thief is a liar.
William's status is irrelevant.

If Thomas is a liar then:
- if he is the thief -> answer is NO incorrectly incriminating Williams
- if he is not the thief -> answer is YES incorrectly incriminating himself.
If Thomas is not a liar then:
- he cannot be the thief -> answer is NO correctly incriminating Williams.

My first answer was wrong but based on this I don't see how the judge cancorrectlyevaluate who's the thief.

08-05-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩

For question 4 we know the following:

John is telling the truth.
The thief is a liar.
William's status is irrelevant.

If Thomas is a liar then:
- if he is the thief -> answer is NO incorrectly incriminating Williams
- if he is not the thief -> answer is YES incorrectly incriminating himself.
If Thomas is not a liar then:
- he cannot be the thief -> answer is NO correctly incriminating Williams.

My first answer was wrong but based on this I don't see how the judge cancorrectlyevaluate who's the thief.

Agreed that John must be telling the truth (and since he says the thief is a red northerner, that the thief must be liar).

I like the approach here in terms of listing the possibilities. I assure you, the question has an answer and it can be determined who the thief is!

08-05-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩

Agreed that John must be telling the truth (and since he says the thief is a red northerner, that the thief must be liar).

I like the approach here in terms of listing the possibilities. I assure you, the question has an answer and it can be determined who the thief is!

OP is a turd burglar, therefore, OP is the thief.

08-05-2021, 12:25 PM

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to brosapiens, all we know is that Thomas said yes or no, we dont know which. Flip your possibilities around. What happens if Thomas says yes? What about no?

08-05-2021, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩

to brosapiens, all we know is that Thomas said yes or no, we dont know which. Flip your possibilities around. What happens if Thomas says yes? What about no?

If Thomas says yes then Williams is the thief.
If Thomas says no then he might be the thief ( otherwise it's Williams ) depending on whether he's a liar or not.
Same thing unless there are some constraints not included in the question.
Point being that both Williams and Thomas can be liars at the same time.

08-05-2021, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩

If Thomas says yes then Williams is the thief.
If Thomas says no then he might be the thief ( otherwise it's Williams ) depending on whether he's a liar or not.
Same thing unless there are some constraints not included in the question.
Point being that both Williams and Thomas can be liars at the same time.

The question has an answer as posed, no extra constraints needed. Surprisingly, I also agree with your analysis of yes/no. Did Thomas answer yes or no?

08-05-2021, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted By numberguy12⏩

The question has an answer as posed, no extra constraints needed. Surprisingly, I also agree with your analysis of yes/no. Did Thomas answer yes or no?

Impossible to tell. Send me a message with your solution.
unless the judge is a miscer too lol

08-05-2021, 02:37 PM

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All right so for 6, Karl is RS and Brian is RN and hey are not brothers.
The trick here is that all brothers are the same color but all of the same color are not necessarily brothers I presume.

Edit: and for 5 I guess;
GN - he might say that. Not a false statement since he’s not red and that’s not a statement per se.
RN - he wouldn’t say that since that would be a true statement.
RS - he wouldn’t say that since that would be a false statement
GS - he might say that since that is a false statement.
So he is Green (the fact that in all other cases the ask for color and/or location is specific and here it is not might also be a tip?!) ?

08-09-2021, 03:39 AM

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08-09-2021, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted By brosapiens⏩

All right so for 6, Karl is RS and Brian is RN and hey are not brothers.
The trick here is that all brothers are the same color but all of the same color are not necessarily brothers I presume.

Edit: and for 5 I guess;
GN - he might say that. Not a false statement since he’s not red and that’s not a statement per se.
RN - he wouldn’t say that since that would be a true statement.
RS - he wouldn’t say that since that would be a false statement
GS - he might say that since that is a false statement.
So he is Green (the fact that in all other cases the ask for color and/or location is specific and here it is not might also be a tip?!) ?

#6 is correct. A lot of people get confused on that point you mentioned. Just because brothers are always same color doesnt mean two non-brothers cant be the same color.

So #1,2,3,6 have been solved ITT

This is not what I have for 5. To be fair, it does require information about what logical implication is- how its truth table is defined.

The following statement: "if a triangle has 4 sides, then a square has 7 sides" is, for example, true in logic.

The casual justification for this is as follows. Say John utters "if it rains today, then I will give you $100". Say it doesnt rain, and that he doesnt give you the $100. No one should come back at John and say he lied, he only specified what would happen if it does rain. The only time his statement would be false is if it did rain, but he didnt fork over the $100. The truth table of the logical implication X->Y is the same as that of not(X) or Y. So what would the answer to #5 be now?

08-09-2021, 09:23 AM

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[QUOTE=numberguy12;1643675593]Ok, one last batch of questions. Anyone want to give them a shot? Not necessarily all of them, just any of them.

[b][size=15]Journey to Planet Misc[/size][/b]

Here are the rules. On planet misc, everyone is either a green or a red. Each person is also either from the northern hemisphere or the southern hemisphere. If from the northern hemisphere, a green always tells the truth, and a red always says a false statement [the way it should be right? green- truths, red- false nonsense]. But if they are from the southern hemisphere.....everything is reversed! Greens from the southern hemisphere always tell a falsehood, and reds from the southern hemisphere always tell a truth [something we are not used to here on earthly misc]. So there are 4 total types here: green northerner, green southerner, red northerner, and red southerner. So for example, if the person says 2+2=4, then they could be either a green northerner, or a red southerner, but you dont know which. If someone says a triangle has 4 sides, they are either a red northerner or green southerner, but you dont know which. You take a journey to this strange planet, and here's what happens.....

[b]Question 5[/b]

You meet an incel relaxing on the beach (by himself, of course). He says to you, "If I am a red, then I'm a northerner".

Can it be figured out what he is? If so, what is he?

/QUOTE]

Truth teller:
He cannot be red. Green northern is possible.
Liar:
He cannot be red. [Red south is not a liar. Red north makes him tell a true statement.] Green southern is NOT possible because the statement still counts as true.

GN

08-09-2021, 09:32 AM

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[QUOTE=mesobuild;1644571153][QUOTE=numberguy12 post_id=1643675593]Ok, one last batch of questions. Anyone want to give them a shot? Not necessarily all of them, just any of them.

[b][size=15]Journey to Planet Misc[/size][/b]

Here are the rules. On planet misc, everyone is either a green or a red. Each person is also either from the northern hemisphere or the southern hemisphere. If from the northern hemisphere, a green always tells the truth, and a red always says a false statement [the way it should be right? green- truths, red- false nonsense]. But if they are from the southern hemisphere.....everything is reversed! Greens from the southern hemisphere always tell a falsehood, and reds from the southern hemisphere always tell a truth [something we are not used to here on earthly misc]. So there are 4 total types here: green northerner, green southerner, red northerner, and red southerner. So for example, if the person says 2+2=4, then they could be either a green northerner, or a red southerner, but you dont know which. If someone says a triangle has 4 sides, they are either a red northerner or green southerner, but you dont know which. You take a journey to this strange planet, and here's what happens.....

[b]Question 5[/b]

You meet an incel relaxing on the beach (by himself, of course). He says to you, "If I am a red, then I'm a northerner".

Can it be figured out what he is? If so, what is he?

/QUOTE]

Truth teller:
He cannot be red. Green northern is possible.
Liar:
He cannot be red. [Red south is not a liar. Red north makes him tell a true statement.] Green southern is NOT possible because the statement still counts as true.

GN[/QUOTE]This is correct. He must be GN. So now each but #4 has been solved ITT, nice input from all above.

Another way to go about 5 is to see that his statement is equivalent to "I am either green or a northerner". GS clearly couldnt say this, as he'd be telling a truth (he's green). RN couldnt say it, as it's a truth (he's a northerner). RS couldnt say it, since it's false. GN could say it since it's obviously true.

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