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Thread: Tfw you realize bodybuilding all boils down to drugs and genetics

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Genetics and work ethic are everything in bodybuilding. Gear is obviously a huge part of it, but you can't give anyone OJ and think they will be an IFBB pro. I 100% guarantee you that 99% of people could take all the juice in the world and they won't even come close to looking like Nick Walker or Ronnie Coleman.

There are so many gym rats who use gear and still look like chit. It isn't an automatic pass to a great physique.
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Originally Posted By Donny2Yucky⏩
lol that makes no sense. i diss it because my obsession with bodybuilding in high school made me an anti-social loser with severe eating disorders who was more concerned about counting macros rather than having a social life.

it was a waste of time, i should've been having fun instead.
Sounds better than being a 300lb slob who will drop dead at 40. srs
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
Genetics and work ethic are everything in bodybuilding. Gear is obviously a huge part of it, but you can't give anyone OJ and think they will be an IFBB pro. I 100% guarantee you that 99% of people could take all the juice in the world and they won't even come close to looking like Nick Walker or Ronnie Coleman.

There are so many gym rats who use gear and still look like chit. It isn't an automatic pass to a great physique.
This is what retarded miscers don’t get. If you don’t understand training and diet and have mediocre genetics, sure gear will bring you up higher than you would have been otherwise, but you’ll still be unimpressive compared to guys who know what they are doing, natty or not. Of course there are those guys with amazing genetics who juice and train and eat like morons and still look pretty good, but they are the minority and probably would have looked good natty too if they just ate and trained right.
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
no shtt

I know guys half as strong as me with 20lb more muscle
strength and muscle size are not the same things.

Go look up Cailer Woolem, I guarantee im twice his size but he deadlifts 1000lbs

strength is pretty much about increasing a stimulus to the muscles over time to where they can lift more and more and improving technique and playing on your leverages.

I can also lift more than guys bigger than me because I lift more for strength than they do and have better technique.

obviously drugs and genetics increase both of those things but just because someone has more muscle but is weaker than you doesnt mean its because of drugs/genetics, it could quite easily just be because they train for hypertrophy, eat for hypertrophy, and recover based on hypertrophy.

The guy doing 3 sets of 15 to failure and eating chicken and rice and sleeping 8 hrs a night and never drinking is going to be bigger than
the guy doing 5 warm up sets then 2 triples follow by accessory work then eats pizza and chicken wings for lunch and dinner and slams 2 tall boys before bed.

The 2nd guy may get stronger because hes training strength specific and still hitting protein needs but may look like dog**** because he doesnt recover quickly and doesnt give himself the correct nutrients or volume for muscle hypertrophy.
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High level sports of all kinds come down to genetics and drugs. Is training important yes but what kind of training is effective and what you can survive is dependent on….genetics and drugs. Go figure.


Is gear worth it? Depends. If you are not already competing at a high level in your chosen sport probably not. If ur just another guy then don’t do it-you will still be behind more talented bros who one day also get on the juice.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
genetics is hands down the biggest component of competitive bodybuilding at a national level and above. Amateur level you really can be top notch without crazy good genetics, but also not **** genetics.

Drugs are not nearly as significant as genetics, and genetic freaks can take barely anything and go extremely far. The body can really only take in so many drugs too, usually about 2g/week for a big guy, 1-1.5 for newer smaller amateurs, anything beyond that and youre overflooding the receptors and you wont get any added benefit.

Now theres some coaches I know who are more like chemist mad scientists with all sorts of flavors of OJ and can do some crazy things by manipulating things but not really amounts if you know what I am saying. Think like a martini made with just the right ingredients vs a long island iced tea.
genetics > all

drugs a close second

phil heath while playing college basketball

dude is already more ripped than 99% of the population

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Originally Posted By Donny2Yucky⏩
just because i'm 300 pounds does not mean i have no insight into bodybuilding. in high school i was an athlete and i even captained a sports team. i was huge into bodybuilding back then and i have a lot of knowledge about it.
lol the delusion of this fat fuk is unreal
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I'm full natty and natty bbing has definitely been worth it. Sure you'll never look like a juiced up fitness model but I went from looking like a soyboy wimp with noodle arms to strong, my arms are probably twice the circumference now. Also get more respect from dudes. That's not even counting the huge benefits to health and metabolism.
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Originally Posted By RedInsectNProud⏩
Nope. Still have to lift weights.
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Originally Posted By dusky99⏩
I'm full natty and natty bbing has definitely been worth it. Sure you'll never look like a juiced up fitness model but I went from looking like a soyboy wimp with noodle arms to strong, my arms are probably twice the circumference now. Also get more respect from dudes. That's not even counting the huge benefits to health and metabolism.
for sure worth it

I think the point was just saying that at the highest levels (like anything else i.e. the Olympics),

it comes down to genetics and drugs

but agree, natty recreational bodybuilding is 110% worth it for the benefits
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Originally Posted By swolefnatic⏩
Nope. Still have to lift weights.
sure

but people underestimate the effect drugs have

take Flex Wheeler for example

known for being lazy, using mainly cables rather than any free weight work.

one of the best physiques of all time

genetics + drugs > all
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Always been that way, always laugh at the "you just didn't train as hard as them". There are a million natty brahs out there that are muscle mormons that go all in and take it just as srs but will never look anywhere near as good cause they not using drugs.
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Originally Posted By Jhamaican⏩
genetics > all

drugs a close second

phil heath while playing college basketball

dude is already more ripped than 99% of the population

I know a lot of bodybuilders and know the ones with good genetics, know the ones who are taking what and how much, and know the ones who work the hardest and smartest.

The ones with genetics win 10/10 times even on lower drugs and lower work quality.
The ones on lower drugs and higher work quality come in second.
The ones with high drugs and low work quality and low genetics come last.
the problem is the guys with good genetics taking a lot of drugs and low work quality, because they make it look like its all drugs but its really not.

with the exception of master genetics with PED response, PEDs will only be as effective as the work put in and diet being on point to really see dramatic changes.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
I know a lot of bodybuilders and know the ones with good genetics, know the ones who are taking what and how much, and know the ones who work the hardest and smartest.

The ones with genetics win 10/10 times even on lower drugs and lower work quality.
The ones on lower drugs and higher work quality come in second.
The ones with high drugs and low work quality and low genetics come last.
the problem is the guys with good genetics taking a lot of drugs and low work quality, because they make it look like its all drugs but its really not.

with the exception of master genetics with PED response, PEDs will only be as effective as the work put in and diet being on point to really see dramatic changes.
said the juicer with sub 22 inch arms
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I have played with several high level semi pro athletes in football, one of them even made practice sqauds in the NFL.

I asked him about the top end pro players in the NFL & not as an excuse but he simply stated genetics which is why you see 2-3 brothers that are pro & there dad and grandfather & uncles where pro athletes also.
They do work hard as hell but I mean these top tier athletes are born with a god given talent that others will never be able to reach.

Genetics
gear
work ethic.

This is reality I would say for pro sports...also btw most of them are on something, usually HGH for recovery.
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Originally Posted By Jhamaican⏩
sure

but people underestimate the effect drugs have

take Flex Wheeler for example

known for being lazy, using mainly cables rather than any free weight work.

one of the best physiques of all time

genetics + drugs > all
But what is workout for your own well-being and be happy with what you can achieve naturally??? Still above 99% of the population who eats processed junk and soda pop
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Originally Posted By swolefnatic⏩
But what is workout for your own well-being and be happy with what you can achieve naturally??? Still above 99% of the population who eats processed junk and soda pop
Being above 99% of the population doesn’t matter when your peers in that 1% are on juice and look better
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Originally Posted By bfdehewdbyywhn⏩
said the juicer with sub 22 inch arms
Classic misc insult. LOL if you don't have 30 inch biceps cold
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Originally Posted By AWillis⏩
peak genetics, some of you guys wont come close

20 years in the iron game, and strong substance user

you are picking an extreme genetic outlier, dude.
Trains like chit and eats like chit as well.
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Some miscers jumping on dat dere


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Originally Posted By drvillain⏩
Being above 99% of the population doesn’t matter when your peers in that 1% are on juice and look better
80% of the lifters at my gym don't know what they're doing and look the same year-round, they still look better than 90-95% of the population though cause they at leastwork out

You can still achieve a great physique naturally. Social media tends to make us all believe we need to look like a 8% roided super cut super model
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Originally Posted By swolefnatic⏩
80% of the lifters at my gym don't know what they're doing and look the same year-round, they still look better than 90-95% of the population though cause they at leastwork out

You can still achieve a great physique naturally. Social media tends to make us all believe we need to look like a 8% roided super cut super model :)
I don’t disagree but with the standard raised, this is what I want
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Lol honestly that’s why I just maintain nowadays. Made all my newbie gains the past several years. Narrow clavicles crew, weak calves crew.
Still, we should always lift. Stay lean, and you’re good.
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
Classic misc insult. LOL if you don't have 30 inch biceps cold
for real, theres plenty of ifbb pros with 21 inch biceps, this idiot has no clue what hes talking about.

Lets forget that I have more biomechanics knowledge than 99% of lifters
Lets forget I have been lifting weights since I was 14 and im 32 now
lets forget that I wake up 5 days a week and do fasted cardio before anything else for years and years
lets forget that I eat 90% on plan for the past 5 years as well and havnt taken a whole week off bodybuilding in that time

must just be the juice , none of that stuff matters.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
for real, theres plenty of ifbb pros with 21 inch biceps, this idiot has no clue what hes talking about.

Lets forget that I have more biomechanics knowledge than 99% of lifters
Lets forget I have been lifting weights since I was 14 and im 32 now
lets forget that I wake up 5 days a week and do fasted cardio before anything else for years and years
lets forget that I eat 90% on plan for the past 5 years as well and havnt taken a whole week off bodybuilding in that time

must just be the juice , none of that stuff matters.
mirin' dedication srs
but where would you be without the extra help ?

(I guess the lower right picture is dead on the natty limit)
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
for real, theres plenty of ifbb pros with 21 inch biceps, this idiot has no clue what hes talking about.

Lets forget that I have more biomechanics knowledge than 99% of lifters
Lets forget I have been lifting weights since I was 14 and im 32 now
lets forget that I wake up 5 days a week and do fasted cardio before anything else for years and years
lets forget that I eat 90% on plan for the past 5 years as well and havnt taken a whole week off bodybuilding in that time

must just be the juice , none of that stuff matters.
And are worried about long term side effects?
pls do not associate my personalities in misc and sports misc
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Originally Posted By wildchild11⏩
And are worried about long term side effects?
like what
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Originally Posted By drvillain⏩
^ mirin elf zyzz
That's neoshredx. He's got a yt channel where he openly talks about celltech.
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