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post 1651907533 12-03-2021, 09:27 AM
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Played several sports as a kid. Started wrestling at 5, and ended with a hip injury at 23. Seven state tiles through grade school, and two all american honors in college. Competed nationally/internationally in Greco from 16-23. It's not for everyone but it will definitely prepare you for any challenges you face in life. I credit all my success in life to the years I spent losing at a young age, but being encouraged to keep going.
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
BJJ and tae kwon do are vastly different. My friends kid is in tae kwon do and he got his balck belt in about 3-4 years. My kids wont get a black belt if they are lucky until they are in their early 20s and they are 8 right now.
Got a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. It teaches a lot of discipline, respect and honor. A lot of cool fast flashy kicks too. I can do all the forms. My kicks are sharp and fast.

In BJJ, all of that goes out the window. No one cares.

I could care less about belts in BJJ. All I care about is submitting you. Going to tournaments and submitting you.
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I like the mental aspect of BJJ, but the truth is that nearly 100% of long-term BJJ dudes have serious physical ailments as a result. You're sacrificing your physical well-being as I see it. Stuff that can't be fixed in a lot of cases. Friend of mine is constantly needing surgery. No thanks man.

I think there are other, safer ways to gain mental toughness and confidence. Like ballet.
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Originally Posted By John$Galt⏩
I like the mental aspect of BJJ, but the truth is that nearly 100% of long-term BJJ dudes have serious physical ailments as a result. You're sacrificing your physical well-being as I see it. Stuff that can't be fixed in a lot of cases. Friend of mine is constantly needing surgery. No thanks man.

I think there are other, safer ways to gain mental toughness and confidence. Like ballet.
Can you really say you’ve lived if you make it to 70 without having a hip or knee replaced?
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Originally Posted By iloveus⏩
Got a black belt in Tae Kwon Do. It teaches a lot of discipline, respect and honor. A lot of cool fast flashy kicks too. I can do all the forms. My kicks are sharp and fast.

In BJJ, all of that goes out the window. No one cares.

I could care less about belts in BJJ. All I care about is submitting you. Going to tournaments and submitting you.
I agree, but the more eloquently you can do it......typically the higher the belt. So you do care in a indirect sense but I do get your point.....
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Can you really say you’ve lived if you make it to 70 without having a hip or knee replaced?
If "living" is fukking your body up, then no, I can't.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Srs question about BJJ and grappling sports:

In a self-defense situation, what is the endgame? With striking the idea is obviously to injure the opponent so the fight ends. If I get into a street fight and end up getting the opponent on the ground and into a hold... how does that eventually end when you release the hold?
BJJ teaches you how to close distance and control someone, and gives you a bunch of options on how to neutralize them. You hit them with the ground. If you didn't do it hard enough to get your point across you choke them unconscious or bend their elbows or knees the wrong way until you hear a bunch of popping and screaming.

It also doesn't limit you from striking/kicks or anything else once you've got someone under control or if the situation otherwise dictates, its just more tools in your toolbox.
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
BJJ teaches you how to close distance and control someone, and gives you a bunch of options on how to neutralize them. You hit them with the ground. If you didn't do it hard enough to get your point across you choke them unconscious or bend their elbows or knees the wrong way until you hear a bunch of popping and screaming.

It also doesn't limit you from striking/kicks or anything else once you've got someone under control or if the situation otherwise dictates, its just more tools in your toolbox.
More importantly it teaches you how to sweep someone from a variety of positions and allowing you to get top position. Also being able to escape and reverse from a variety of positions.

Realistically, if I’m in a fight and I end up on my back. I’m most likely not going to go for a submission. I’m going to either sweep, or escape to get the dominant position and depending on the situation hold the pin, or gtfo.

Those escapes aren’t something that can be learned without repping out hundreds or thousands of times. Good luck escaping bottom side control against a dude who outweighs you by 100lbs without having drilled & sparred that escape a lot!
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Originally Posted By whowaspotential⏩
If they like it, encourage them to compete as well. That is where the rubber really meets the road. My boy has been doing very well in local tournaments but finally got smashed hard at the last one (the kids dad is an MMA fighter FFS). It was shocking to him, and he cried like I havent seen him cry. He was crushed to lose like that in front of his family and friends. But, he still had to shake it off and get back out to fight for silver - which he did and won.
Nice post OP - this part is especially important. Get your kids into something that will create that EXACT response, which is most often in athletics. Work your ass off --> get better --> compete --> get your ass kicked --> get up, repeat. I hate it when I see parents pulling their kids out of consolation portions of tournaments - that's where all the learning and growth happens imo.
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Got my boy into BJJ and Wrestling at age 5. Water Polo age 8. He's 11 now. Water Polo = GOAT cardio.
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
More importantly it teaches you how to sweep someone from a variety of positions and allowing you to get top position. Also being able to escape and reverse from a variety of positions.

Realistically, if I’m in a fight and I end up on my back. I’m most likely not going to go for a submission. I’m going to either sweep, or escape to get the dominant position and depending on the situation hold the pin, or gtfo.

Those escapes aren’t something that can be learned without repping out hundreds or thousands of times. Good luck escaping bottom side control against a dude who outweighs you by 100lbs without having drilled & sparred that escape a lot!
You also get thousands of reps of learning how to maintain distance, quiet your mind, and think analytically when someone is coming at you. Keeps you from defaulting to panic mode.
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Can confirm, Judo from 2nd grade consistently until high school, sporadically in college. I will be putting my boy in some sort of martial art early on and eventually into team sports. Build confidence in fighting sports, become ultra chad in team sports.
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Originally Posted By John$Galt⏩
I like the mental aspect of BJJ, but the truth is that nearly 100% of long-term BJJ dudes have serious physical ailments as a result. You're sacrificing your physical well-being as I see it. Stuff that can't be fixed in a lot of cases. Friend of mine is constantly needing surgery. No thanks man.

I think there are other, safer ways to gain mental toughness and confidence. Like ballet.
I look forward to your sources to confirm your claim.
Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Srs question about BJJ and grappling sports:

In a self-defense situation, what is the endgame? With striking the idea is obviously to injure the opponent so the fight ends. If I get into a street fight and end up getting the opponent on the ground and into a hold... how does that eventually end when you release the hold?
End game is to nullify the threat, be it putting them to sleep, snapping something, or creating an opportunity to safely escape. I have used my training in 3 situations, only one of which I had to top it off with punches. 2 of the situations I got popped in the face, snatched a neck, and put them to sleep. When someone comes to, and they are on the ground, their perspective on the situation changes REAL fukkin quick. The other situation was a mess (jumped by 2 tweakers), and it was my knowledge of takedowns/throws that allowed me to be able to buy time to focus on one, and then the other (and even then I got cracked in the face with a large pipe lol), but yeah, it ended with a LOT of punches, while on the ground.
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
I look forward to your sources to confirm your claim.
I would say it’s slightly higher then most sports cuz of tournaments and people being stubborn.

I would hazard 50-70% of black belts at my gym have had some kind of surgery.
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Originally Posted By samsbolton⏩
pfff

golf will teach them even better life lessons without risking broken limbs, paralysis, brain stem injury
the main advantage of golf at a young age is you get to flex on your boss. my nephew has a boss that takes him along to "meetings" at the golf course. not only is he giving him tips and critiquing his swing, he's also getting some insight on how the business is run and networking with the boss's buds.
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Got my boy into BJJ and Wrestling at age 5. Water Polo age 8. He's 11 now. Water Polo = GOAT cardio.
i read somewhere that guys with water polo and wrestling backgrounds successfully finish navy seal training more than anyone else.
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Been doing bjj seriously for the last few months, and I regret not doing wrestling in high school. Grappling is seriously fun.

Also mind blowing how good technically some kids can get. It seems really natural for them.
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Originally Posted By iwant2beswole⏩
Been doing bjj seriously for the last few months, and I regret not doing wrestling in high school. Grappling is seriously fun.

Also mind blowing how good technically some kids can get. It seems really natural for them.
It’s like learning a language. The ones who immerse themselves catch on scary fast, just gotta wait for body to catch up.

Rotuolo brothers are gonna be freaks soon.
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Originally Posted By whowaspotential⏩
Dads of misc: Get your kids in BJJ, wrestling, or judo
Absolutely plan to and I will be lifting with him as well. He is 5 now so it will be a few years.
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I will say that " Because the risk of injury is so low in grappling," is bull****. I've been training BJJ for 7 years and dudes get injured all the time. I've been fortunate mine haven't been too serious. Dislocated my knee twice and my shoulder once, along with being paralyzed for two weeks due to a back injury.

I've seen some horrible injuries too, like shoulders blown up and broken tibias.

BJJ is great, but don't fool yourself into thinking it's completely safe. Everyone gets injured eventually.
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
BJJ and tae kwon do are vastly different. My friends kid is in tae kwon do and he got his balck belt in about 3-4 years. My kids wont get a black belt if they are lucky until they are in their early 20s and they are 8 right now.
Not to mention BJJ belts don't mean chit under age 16. Belts get deleted and you start over.
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Originally Posted By John$Galt⏩
I like the mental aspect of BJJ, but the truth is that nearly 100% of long-term BJJ dudes have serious physical ailments as a result. You're sacrificing your physical well-being as I see it. Stuff that can't be fixed in a lot of cases. Friend of mine is constantly needing surgery. No thanks man.

I think there are other, safer ways to gain mental toughness and confidence. Like ballet.
I dunno man, there are guys in their 60s that train at my sons gym. I dont see a lot of old men in other sports with full contact sparring. Nothing is guaranteed to be safe but comparatively it seems less risky than most other options.
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Originally Posted By terrorgunt⏩
Not to mention BJJ belts don't mean chit under age 16. Belts get deleted and you start over.
We have a kid who was given his blue belt the day he turned 16 - he'd been training since he was like 4. That kid is a baby cobra and absolutely destroys
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My nephews need this. Those kids are doomed otherwise lmao. Luckily the upcoming generations are soft AF tho.
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Originally Posted By whowaspotential⏩
I dunno man, there are guys in their 60s that train at my sons gym. I dont see a lot of old men in other sports with full contact sparring. Nothing is guaranteed to be safe but comparatively it seems less risky than most other options.
Those dudes get injured all the time. The reason they keep coming is because they won't quit.

Our old timer was back in the gym the day his dr said he could after getting his collar bone shattered. Weird injury; happened from a reverse triangle from back control.
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I plan on my Thai and bjj early for my kids then whatever other sports they want to pick up, hopefully football.

I had boxed since I was 5 or 6 then played football and wrestled and couldn't imagine it any other way
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Originally Posted By OptimusTrajan⏩
I will say that " Because the risk of injury is so low in grappling," is bull****. I've been training BJJ for 7 years and dudes get injured all the time. I've been fortunate mine haven't been too serious. Dislocated my knee twice and my shoulder once, along with being paralyzed for two weeks due to a back injury.

I've seen some horrible injuries too, like shoulders blown up and broken tibias.

BJJ is great, but don't fool yourself into thinking it's completely safe. Everyone gets injured eventually.
This is true. But football is a lot worse, imo. It's just harder on your body.

I broke a rib in bjj which was not pleasant to say the least. Been focusing on Judo for a long time now and really enjoy it.

However, it can be a lot more rare than bjj. In a lot of places, there are big bjj clubs but judo clubs have like 5 adults.

I would say if judo to make sure they have good mats. Because if they don't, you will regret it.
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
This is true. But football is a lot worse, imo. It's just harder on your body.

I broke a rib in bjj which was not pleasant to say the least. Been focusing on Judo for a long time now and really enjoy it.

However, it can be a lot more rare than bjj. In a lot of places, there are big bjj clubs but judo clubs have like 5 adults.

I would say if judo to make sure they have good mats. Because if they don't, you will regret it.
Yeah, takedowns on wrestling mats are a lot nicer than dollamurs.
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