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post 1651862833 12-02-2021, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted By gainslit⏩
I have a 2 year old daughter. Would never put her in bjj to wrestle with boys lol. Seems a strange parenting decision for a girl.

I think best for girl is like gymnastics or soccer
Some of the best kids at my sons gym are girls. Pans world champion, she's 12 I think. She is a beast.

I will say it is an odd thing to hear a coach try to teach another kid how to choke your kid better.
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Originally Posted By TonyTriangles⏩
the thing about wrestling is that you cant do it half assed/recreationally. its such a grueling sport and competition based, so you have to really enjoy putting yourself through so much punishment to win. an hour of wrestling practice (no such thing, always longer) is more physically taxing than an hour of bjj class. bjj can be done by all levels; it's very technical but you can flow as you go, so you dont have to go 100% and dont have to compete.

nonetheless, i agree that kids should be doing some sort of grappling sport. the boost to self esteem alone is worth it
100% dead on assessment. At my first gym, they emphasized wrestling a lot. They were doing 2.5 hour practices 3 days a week and BJJ for 45 mins 3 days a week. What I found was that they were relying on toughness to win their BJJ matches not technique. So even though they were winning medals, they werent executing beautiful BJJ.

I really dont want my kids to be bruisers. I want them to be technical. I want them to work their decision making skills on hyper drive......thus I feel BJJ is the best modality for that.
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Originally Posted By CeBKa⏩
Totally agreed, i will make my son (hopefully)/daughter train wrestling/grappling/BJJ as young as possible

my father and my older brother enrolled me in boxing since I was 9 years old and I never looked back. Even tho I would prefer grappling sports now due to lower rate of injury/and especially head trauma, getting your kids into combat sports at a young age, is the best thing you can offer to them, discipline and confidence-wise.
My son desperately wants to do muay thai or boxing. I think I'm going to hold him off on that for that reason - I dont think repeated blows to the head is a good thing for kids. If he is still wanting to do that in HS, I'll sign him up.
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BJJ purple belt i can confirm.

We see a good amount of kids come in kinda shy and some overweight, after just a few months their confidence goes up and weight goes down.

no longer afraid of other kids because they are so used to rolling with some of the bigger kids and when they are at that age their energy level is like endless.

They also are some of the kindest humans ever because they learn humility and very disciplined , no talking back to their parents, polite to other kids etc.
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I'm gonna give my kid a gun when he turns 12. My kid will mog your kid.
why so late? daughter got an AR at 8
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Got my kiddo into knife fighting about a year ago! Best decision ever!

First time he stabbed another kid he was hooked!

I have to sleep with my door locked now, but that look of joy he gets is worth it!
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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah⏩
If you only train those with no boxing, you're getting KO'd about 75% of the time.
true

99% of school fights will never end up on the ground. if they do, your kid will get his head kicked in.

buying a kid a pocket knife is the best self defense though
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Srs question about BJJ and grappling sports:

In a self-defense situation, what is the endgame? With striking the idea is obviously to injure the opponent so the fight ends. If I get into a street fight and end up getting the opponent on the ground and into a hold... how does that eventually end when you release the hold?
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Srs question about BJJ and grappling sports:

In a self-defense situation, what is the endgame? With striking the idea is obviously to injure the opponent so the fight ends. If I get into a street fight and end up getting the opponent on the ground and into a hold... how does that eventually end when you release the hold?
When you release the hold they should either have a broken arm or be unconscious. If the person is still a threat you don't let go
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Srs question about BJJ and grappling sports:

In a self-defense situation, what is the endgame? With striking the idea is obviously to injure the opponent so the fight ends. If I get into a street fight and end up getting the opponent on the ground and into a hold... how does that eventually end when you release the hold?
You either choke them to sleep or you break one of their limbs

But I dont put my kids in BJJ to "learn to fight".

Usually bullies at schools arent trained fighters. Most kids that have been trained in some fighting art since young age dont feel the need to be a bully. They are confident in their abilities and get enough time on the matts over the years being humbled.

So in a situation where they are pressed, and there is no other way out, chances are they are going to be dealing with someone who has no experience or training. No matter what the modality, trained will be better off than untrained. But first line of defense is to have the wherewithal to take the high road and avoid conflict at all cost.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Srs question about BJJ and grappling sports:

In a self-defense situation, what is the endgame? With striking the idea is obviously to injure the opponent so the fight ends. If I get into a street fight and end up getting the opponent on the ground and into a hold... how does that eventually end when you release the hold?
I wrestled throughout my childhood. I've not been in a lot of fights, but can attribute take downs and take down defense as to why I won 2 of the 3 I was in. Doesn't take a ton of skill to punch someone effectively if you have them on the ground.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Srs question about BJJ and grappling sports:

In a self-defense situation, what is the endgame? With striking the idea is obviously to injure the opponent so the fight ends. If I get into a street fight and end up getting the opponent on the ground and into a hold... how does that eventually end when you release the hold?
its not a hold.

you can put them to sleep or break their arms, legs, knees, ankles. at that point you could kill them cause they cant defend themselves


but you don't want to be on the ground in a street environment. that's why bjj is best in MMA not real life
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Originally Posted By engj⏩
All kids classes are typically coed, its 100% to the girls advantage unitl 12 or so, they are stronger across the boar until hormones kick.
I swear the girls are meaner. Interesting that others see this too. Usually when a boy and girl of equal size/skill roll, the girl usually wins. This is in a class of like 40 kids so decent sample size
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
Srs question about BJJ and grappling sports:

In a self-defense situation, what is the endgame? With striking the idea is obviously to injure the opponent so the fight ends. If I get into a street fight and end up getting the opponent on the ground and into a hold... how does that eventually end when you release the hold?
First please ignore anyone who posted it’s about choking or breaking someone’s arm. Because no it isn’t. If that opportunity presents itself in the scramble to get away sure take it but BJJ self defense is very simple.

1st step talk or run
2nd step close distance so they can’t strike you (this is assuming you can’t run and are stuck in a have to fight or they grabbed you but still at a full arms length etc…)
3rd throw, single leg, collar drag whatever to the ground if it’s not as simple as twisting an arm or doing a wrist lock.

4th escape


Playing around on the ground with somone like an open mat is stupid. The fact you should be able to control the situation on the ground and be able to safely remove yourself quickly and fast when tackled or grabbed or a struggle starts is the advantage. You should be able to put them in a situation where it takes them a bit to get up and your already 30 feet away much easier then trying to choke out somone who has 60lbs on you.

In your case I would say this. Somone tackles you or grabs you around a corner. It is probably the best self defense in that scenario for getting up, stepping back and being able to draw your firearm.
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Originally Posted By whowaspotential⏩
I swear the girls are meaner. Interesting that others see this too. Usually when a boy and girl of equal size/skill roll, the girl usually wins. This is in a class of like 40 kids so decent sample size
I think girls mature faster at that age, so they are able to soak in more details on the techniques and apply them quicker. Thats my theory.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
First please ignore anyone who posted it’s about choking or breaking someone’s arm. Because no it isn’t. If that opportunity presents itself in the scramble to get away sure take it but BJJ self defense is very simple.

1st step talk or run
2nd step close distance so they can’t strike you (this is assuming you can’t run and are stuck in a have to fight or they grabbed you but still at a full arms length etc…)
3rd throw, single leg, collar drag whatever to the ground if it’s not as simple as twisting an arm or doing a wrist lock.

4th escape


Playing around on the ground with somone like an open mat is stupid. The fact you should be able to control the situation on the ground and be able to safely remove yourself quickly and fast when tackled or grabbed or a struggle starts is the advantage. You should be able to put them in a situation where it takes them a bit to get up and your already 30 feet away much easier then trying to choke out somone who has 60lbs on you.

In your case I would say this. Somone tackles you or grabs you around a corner. It is probably the best self defense in that scenario for getting up, stepping back and being able to draw your firearm.
Uhhhh you dont think you can apply an arm lock to someone that is untrained in a split second after you have them on the ground? Why wouldnt you give them something else to worry about while you get up and leave?
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Aware. If you want your kid to be a mentally tough mother f*cker put him in wrestling

Wrestling > BJJ in terms of mental toughness

But it can turn some kids into mechanized robots with no personality. Sure, they become hard working m*ther f*ckers and alphas but balance it out with something else not just wrestling
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
Uhhhh you dont think you can apply an arm lock to someone that is untrained in a split second after you have them on the ground? Why wouldnt you give them something else to worry about while you get up and leave?
Because of the escalation of force in the move. If you want to start looking into the legalities with self defense and joint locks where you break someone’s arm go start looking up the cases I guess. There’s a couple excellent podcasts I can try to dig around for.

Edit: will look again can’t remember if it was a chewy episode or a bjjbricks. They both do interviews with police members of the community a lot.

Basically if your forced in a position to break someone’s arm or you fear for your life you do it. But if you are in a self defense situation (or your child) and you are not in immediate danger (like right before you decide to lean back on the arm bar). You CANNOT just break their arm. You will get charged with felony assault.

And let’s be completely honest here in any street fight type situation. You don’t want to be on the ground. BJJ isn’t just attack moves it’s defense. Ignoring the amazing ability it gives you to extricate yourself from the ground while being grabbed, choked, held down is downplaying half of the art. It is a huge huge huge positive and vastly underrated in a street braw. 2seconds too stand up versus 6 could save your life in getting your head kicked in.
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100% I’ll be teaching my kids bjj/wrestling as soon as possible. Also will have them enrolled into the gym as well.

OP is right about the girls throwing down. At one competition, I saw one 7-8 year old girl absolutely destroy the boys in her division.
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My 8 year old son just made his black belt this year in tae kwon do, but also plays soccer, basketball and on the swim team. Plus he also works out with me in the home gym.
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pfff

golf will teach them even better life lessons without risking broken limbs, paralysis, brain stem injury
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golf will teach them even better life lessons without risking broken limbs, paralysis, brain stem injury
What makes you think broken limbs, paralysis, and brain stem injuries are common in BJJ?

The only way you are going to break something is if you have full retard levels of willpower to not tap, and even then the kids are not strong enough to do more than soft tissue damage. I cant even imagine a scenario resulting in the other two.
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been letting my kid go camping and sleep overs with the baseball coach and preacher thinking maybe they can give an alternative perspective on life but he just comes home walking funny. think i will try wrestling for him
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Agreed. I’d also add that if the dad is a pussy or otherwise untrained, he should actually take the martial arts classes with his son. Maybe not exactly alongside (the kid should learn to fly on his own and will probably be training with other children anyway), but I would recommend taking an identical program to learn with your son and review the skills back home together. Great bonding experience. I took Krav Maga with my father and it was a valuable time.
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Originally Posted By whowaspotential⏩
What makes you think broken limbs, paralysis, and brain stem injuries are common in BJJ?

The only way you are going to break something is if you have full retard levels of willpower to not tap, and even then the kids are not strong enough to do more than soft tissue damage. I cant even imagine a scenario resulting in the other two.
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But You are just as risk prone for all these as in other contact sports. It’s not like it happens when people successfully utilize the moves.
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I played football and rugby at various points in my life and can say the best tacklers were always wrestlers. I think my son would be an excellent wrestler but IMO there's a fine line in making him do stuff and letting him explore it on his own. But kid comes at you when he decides to come at you and he's 6.
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Originally Posted By Bigdumogre⏩
My 8 year old son just made his black belt this year in tae kwon do, but also plays soccer, basketball and on the swim team. Plus he also works out with me in the home gym.
BJJ and tae kwon do are vastly different. My friends kid is in tae kwon do and he got his balck belt in about 3-4 years. My kids wont get a black belt if they are lucky until they are in their early 20s and they are 8 right now.
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