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I voted democrat until I realized that they don't really support things they talk about. It's talking points and that's all. The politicians want power and control so they play to their base. I'm only seriously considering candidates that try and break that mold - otherwise you're simply voting for the financial interests that back them.
With that being said, there are two very clear lines in the sand between most dem and rep voters - the typical dem voter wants no gun rights and wants the first amendment changed. Those are hard lines for me.
With that being said, there are two very clear lines in the sand between most dem and rep voters - the typical dem voter wants no gun rights and wants the first amendment changed. Those are hard lines for me.
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
New leftists subscribing to wokeism are just as religious, they simply have a different religion in the DIE cult.Oh come on. You and I both know rural white America and white religious nuts vote Republican. It’s proven. Just like minorities vote Democrat along with highly educated individuals.
Are there people that cross over? Sure. I have voted for Republican and Democrat presidents depending on stances. But generally speaking there is a pattern. Religious nuts are never going to vote Democrat in significant numbers due to abortion.
Are there people that cross over? Sure. I have voted for Republican and Democrat presidents depending on stances. But generally speaking there is a pattern. Religious nuts are never going to vote Democrat in significant numbers due to abortion.
A million miles away - I don't.. feel.... anything.
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01-13-2022, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
As an independent who doesn't care about abortion and thinks we spend too much on the military, and votes both ways, this is an absurd take and makes you look as nutty as the nuts you are talking about on the other side.Oh come on. You and I both know rural white America and white religious nuts vote Republican. It’s proven. Just like minorities vote Democrat along with highly educated individuals.
Are there people that cross over? Sure. I have voted for Republican and Democrat presidents depending on stances. But generally speaking there is a pattern. Religious nuts are never going to vote Democrat in significant numbers due to abortion views.
And honestly there are legit only 2 reasons to vote Republican. Pro life and military spending. That’s it. I don’t agree with either of those, but those are really your only two arguments for voting R.
Are there people that cross over? Sure. I have voted for Republican and Democrat presidents depending on stances. But generally speaking there is a pattern. Religious nuts are never going to vote Democrat in significant numbers due to abortion views.
And honestly there are legit only 2 reasons to vote Republican. Pro life and military spending. That’s it. I don’t agree with either of those, but those are really your only two arguments for voting R.
01-13-2022, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted By seanb1979⏩
I don’t disagree with this. But the white family who makes sure to go to church every Sunday isn’t voting D unless god personally tells them.New leftists subscribing to wokeism are just as religious, they simply have a different religion in the DIE cult.
There are established buckets of people who will vote D and R and won’t be swayed.
Democrats will never sway rural white America or religious die hards. Republicans will never sway young college educated individuals.
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
We spend too much and I'm pro-choice and a registered R.Oh come on. You and I both know rural white America and white religious nuts vote Republican. It’s proven. Just like minorities vote Democrat along with highly educated individuals.
Are there people that cross over? Sure. I have voted for Republican and Democrat presidents depending on stances. But generally speaking there is a pattern. Religious nuts are never going to vote Democrat in significant numbers due to abortion views.
And honestly there are legit only 2 reasons to vote Republican. Pro life and military spending. That’s it. I don’t agree with either of those, but those are really your only two arguments for voting R.
Are there people that cross over? Sure. I have voted for Republican and Democrat presidents depending on stances. But generally speaking there is a pattern. Religious nuts are never going to vote Democrat in significant numbers due to abortion views.
And honestly there are legit only 2 reasons to vote Republican. Pro life and military spending. That’s it. I don’t agree with either of those, but those are really your only two arguments for voting R.
+ Women's sex based rights. I know actual marxists who voted for Trump over Biden because of gender identity laws. Lot of politically homeless women out there. I know that this is important to you and that you genuinely care about why people make their choices, so I'm explaining to you why otherwise liberal, coastal, educated women are voting R.
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01-13-2022, 09:06 AM
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Big government if it's our government
Free-er the market the free-er the people (except we will continue favoritism/subsidies because lobbyists)
Strong economy and jerbs (except we won't revert to sound fiscal policy because the temporary results would be unpopular for re-election)
Huge military spending cause the hardware looks cool
Israel is our greatest ally
I support the Bill of Rights but.....
Free-er the market the free-er the people (except we will continue favoritism/subsidies because lobbyists)
Strong economy and jerbs (except we won't revert to sound fiscal policy because the temporary results would be unpopular for re-election)
Huge military spending cause the hardware looks cool
Israel is our greatest ally
I support the Bill of Rights but.....
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01-13-2022, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted By P51⏩
I'd love to hear what you think republicans actually believe. Like a list of principals. Please compile and post so I have something to laugh at.Easy. Republicans are low educated brainwashed sheep who only care about themselves and believe they’re better than everyone else.
Republicans are a byproduct of bigotry and low education. That’s why if you look at any study, you will see the more educated you’re the less likely you will vote Republican. This is also why Republicans try very hard to suppress votes, they know if everyone could vote easily, there would never be another Republican elected.
Republicans are the party of hillbillies and religious nuts.
Republicans are a byproduct of bigotry and low education. That’s why if you look at any study, you will see the more educated you’re the less likely you will vote Republican. This is also why Republicans try very hard to suppress votes, they know if everyone could vote easily, there would never be another Republican elected.
Republicans are the party of hillbillies and religious nuts.
01-13-2022, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted By jimbone21⏩
Why would you do that if you're trying to change his mind?I'd love to hear what you think republicans actually believe. Like a list of principals. Please compile and post so I have something to laugh at.
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01-13-2022, 09:29 AM
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01-13-2022, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted By inkie77⏩
Why? Isn't your life more important than your money?keep in mind I have voted since 2003 (George Bush).
I"m an observer.
Things I believe:
You shouldn't have to go bankrupt for healthcare
I"m an observer.
Things I believe:
You shouldn't have to go bankrupt for healthcare
We have a first rate military but we are becoming a third world country
Well, stop importing masses from 3rd world then.
01-13-2022, 09:42 AM
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All your points are strawman arguments. They're actually reaching/probing for a strawman argument, and not even getting there, probably in hopes for a reaction. This thread is pathetic. Do your homework if you want an adult answer.
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01-13-2022, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
Are dumpster babies considered part of pro choice?We spend too much and I'm pro-choice and a registered R.
+ Women's sex based rights. I know actual marxists who voted for Trump over Biden because of gender identity laws. Lot of politically homeless women out there. I know that this is important to you and that you genuinely care about why people make their choices, so I'm explaining to you why otherwise liberal, coastal, educated women are voting R.
+ Women's sex based rights. I know actual marxists who voted for Trump over Biden because of gender identity laws. Lot of politically homeless women out there. I know that this is important to you and that you genuinely care about why people make their choices, so I'm explaining to you why otherwise liberal, coastal, educated women are voting R.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ne...by-in-dumpster
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01-13-2022, 09:47 AM
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Being republican largely stems from a desire for fairness. Most I know refer to high tax rates for high income citizens. They already pay most of the taxes in the US, yet democrats want high income citizens to pay even more. Republicans also back the free market system and capitalism.
Democrats also are looking for fairness, but their sense of fairness is warped from coming from a disadvantaged point of view. Republican fairness is that everyone is equal, regardless of their income/class; whereas Democratic fairness is that the rich should be punished and the poor should be rewarded so that they end up cancelling out. Clearly, democratic policies use unequal treatment to obtain equity, whereas republican polices use equal treatment and condone lack of equity. Republicans generally value hard work and thinks hard work deserves more reward regardless of the type of person, whereas democrats value human welfare and thinks underprivileged people deserve more reward and privileged people deserve less reward regardless of how hard they work. As such, republicans have a distaste for laziness and mediocrity.
The other main republican mindset is valuing utilitarianism and practicality over instrinsic value and idealism. Republicans work with what they got and strive to make the best of their circumstances, whereas democrats reject their circumstances and yearn for fantasy. The practicality and utilitarianism of republicans opens the doors for unethical business practices, but maximizes profit and achieves much more than idealists. Idealists have higher potential, but that's all they have, they can't reach their potential because it's not practical and based on fantasy. This is where the idea of diversity fits in. Diversity has a lot of potential, because it can do a lot of different things, but is not guaranteed to make any progress. A highly-skilled team of people who all have the same abilities produces only a single thing in highly-focused manner that is guaranteed success. Any company with only one goal in mind should hire the team of experts rather than the diverse team. Some of the unethical business practices include hiring favoritism, lack of concern for the environment, and valuing profit over employee welfare.
Out of all the true republicans, not the trendy ones that hate democrats, these are 2 of the main constituents of their mindsets.
-fairness and equal treatment
-practicality and utilitarianism
Democrats also are looking for fairness, but their sense of fairness is warped from coming from a disadvantaged point of view. Republican fairness is that everyone is equal, regardless of their income/class; whereas Democratic fairness is that the rich should be punished and the poor should be rewarded so that they end up cancelling out. Clearly, democratic policies use unequal treatment to obtain equity, whereas republican polices use equal treatment and condone lack of equity. Republicans generally value hard work and thinks hard work deserves more reward regardless of the type of person, whereas democrats value human welfare and thinks underprivileged people deserve more reward and privileged people deserve less reward regardless of how hard they work. As such, republicans have a distaste for laziness and mediocrity.
The other main republican mindset is valuing utilitarianism and practicality over instrinsic value and idealism. Republicans work with what they got and strive to make the best of their circumstances, whereas democrats reject their circumstances and yearn for fantasy. The practicality and utilitarianism of republicans opens the doors for unethical business practices, but maximizes profit and achieves much more than idealists. Idealists have higher potential, but that's all they have, they can't reach their potential because it's not practical and based on fantasy. This is where the idea of diversity fits in. Diversity has a lot of potential, because it can do a lot of different things, but is not guaranteed to make any progress. A highly-skilled team of people who all have the same abilities produces only a single thing in highly-focused manner that is guaranteed success. Any company with only one goal in mind should hire the team of experts rather than the diverse team. Some of the unethical business practices include hiring favoritism, lack of concern for the environment, and valuing profit over employee welfare.
Out of all the true republicans, not the trendy ones that hate democrats, these are 2 of the main constituents of their mindsets.
-fairness and equal treatment
-practicality and utilitarianism
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01-13-2022, 09:50 AM
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Im not into politics at all but here is my perspective on some of your things:
You shouldn't have to go bankrupt for healthcare.
Something is definitely wrong with healthcare. Dont know enough about it but it shouldnt cost a million dollars a night to stay in the ER.
We have a first rate military but we are becoming a third world country
Becoming a third world country is all perspective. My quality of life hasnt changed for the worse from what I can tell.
I believe in Covid
Not sure what this means. Do people really believe COVID is fake?
I'm vaccinated with a booster
Cool. not really sure what the relevance of this is. If you choose to do it, good for you man. I also understand people who choose not to.
I didn't like trump and dont like biden
Im not iinto politics so I dont really know much about either of them.
saying "lets go brandon" tells me you have low iq points; not that i like biden it's just stupid
Theres a lot of "stupid" things in this world true
BlM riots were retarded ; january 6th riots were retarded
Agree
Employers should pay more, and pay a livable wage; unionize
Thats all relative too. Have you ever been an employer? Is there a defined and agreeable definition of what a "livable wage" means? The market will dictate what the pay should be (I guess that might be the republican stance?)
You shouldn't have to go bankrupt for healthcare.
Something is definitely wrong with healthcare. Dont know enough about it but it shouldnt cost a million dollars a night to stay in the ER.
We have a first rate military but we are becoming a third world country
Becoming a third world country is all perspective. My quality of life hasnt changed for the worse from what I can tell.
I believe in Covid
Not sure what this means. Do people really believe COVID is fake?
I'm vaccinated with a booster
Cool. not really sure what the relevance of this is. If you choose to do it, good for you man. I also understand people who choose not to.
I didn't like trump and dont like biden
Im not iinto politics so I dont really know much about either of them.
saying "lets go brandon" tells me you have low iq points; not that i like biden it's just stupid
Theres a lot of "stupid" things in this world true
BlM riots were retarded ; january 6th riots were retarded
Agree
Employers should pay more, and pay a livable wage; unionize
Thats all relative too. Have you ever been an employer? Is there a defined and agreeable definition of what a "livable wage" means? The market will dictate what the pay should be (I guess that might be the republican stance?)
01-13-2022, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah⏩
This whole thread is a strawman of Republican talking points.All your points are strawman arguments. They're actually reaching/probing for a strawman argument, and not even getting there, probably in hopes for a reaction. This thread is pathetic. Do your homework if you want an adult answer.
Reason to vote Republican (not neocons)
I) reign in big tech censorship .
2) no CRT
3) bring back manufacturing to US (reign in globalism)
4)stop illegal immigration
5)stop mask mandates, vaccine mandates
6)refund the police
7)gun rights
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
I'd agree for the most part. But would add/adjust a few things:I don't consider myself a republican... But I'm definitely right wing, possibly too far right for the republicans.
for me,
1. military service should be mandatory in order to run for president.
2. stop the "war on drugs" tomorrow.
3. individualize social security benefits, and healthcare via compulsory tax-free savings accounts. (singapore style)
4. be tenacious in eliminating corruption (pelosi should be jailed for the amount of money she has accumulated)
5. politicians are currently steering the FDA, I shouldn't need to elaborate on this.
6. the cost of your home should be a tax-deduction (repairs, mortgage payments, everything)
Basically, incentivize people to be better... The opposite of what our current system is heading for.
for me,
1. military service should be mandatory in order to run for president.
2. stop the "war on drugs" tomorrow.
3. individualize social security benefits, and healthcare via compulsory tax-free savings accounts. (singapore style)
4. be tenacious in eliminating corruption (pelosi should be jailed for the amount of money she has accumulated)
5. politicians are currently steering the FDA, I shouldn't need to elaborate on this.
6. the cost of your home should be a tax-deduction (repairs, mortgage payments, everything)
Basically, incentivize people to be better... The opposite of what our current system is heading for.
-no income tax on the people, bring back tariffs...we did it before, we can do it again
-strict term limits at every level of government, if you are a senator or congressman, you don't get a paycheck or benefits. You get room and board while you're in session, but overall your duties would have more of a school-board like structure.
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01-13-2022, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted By PenguinWarrior⏩
Manufacturing is never coming back. Republicans are too beta to de-regulate the industry. Same with guns, they'll never repeal the NFAThis whole thread is a strawman of Republican talking points.
Reason to vote Republican (not neocons)
I) reign in big tech censorship .
2) no CRT
3) bring back manufacturing to US (reign in globalism)
4)stop illegal immigration
5)stop mask mandates, vaccine mandates
6)refund the police
7)gun rights
Reason to vote Republican (not neocons)
I) reign in big tech censorship .
2) no CRT
3) bring back manufacturing to US (reign in globalism)
4)stop illegal immigration
5)stop mask mandates, vaccine mandates
6)refund the police
7)gun rights
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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
Very true. I think the primary system of both parties brings out the extremes, along with heavily gerrymandering.I'd think most of the population is middle of the road.... only the extremes of the sides get all the media attention
It may sound odd, but things would be more moderate if primaries were either all open or conversely not even open to the public.
If they were open, then independents would force moderation. If they were internally decided with no public voting, the parties would tend towards moderation because they could select someone more likely to win a general.
We get the people shouting nonsense instead which placates the wingnuts.
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Originally Posted By _zman⏩
No. I think it's a little silly to compare tossing a baby in the trash to a 5 week abortion. This will never be comparable to me.Are dumpster babies considered part of pro choice?
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i'm not saying this is right... it's certainly more nuanced, but blanketly,
i think
conservatives: are conservative because they have something to protect
progressives: through self-hate are about "change"
i think
conservatives: are conservative because they have something to protect
progressives: through self-hate are about "change"
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Originally Posted By GuineaDago585⏩
This. They’re all the same at the top. I’ve been saying for years how bad we need true independents with a real shot. Every. Single. Election is the same person with a different letter. America sold out long ago and as citizens we are pitted against one another over a mirage.I don’t understand a Republican mindset either. I voted for Trump and lean center right, but allegiance to either party is retarded to me. Both are selling us out to the elites in back room deals.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
Is there a point in the pregnancy where it becomes not silly to make the comparison?No. I think it's a little silly to compare tossing a baby in the trash to a 5 week abortion. This will never be comparable to me.
It's something I've thought about a lot over the years. I understand your statement and can see the logic in it. At the same time, I view the growing baby as a human life, and I understand where the strictly pro-life crowd is coming from, too. I've pretty much accepted that there are no easy answers on the subject that everyone will agree on. People's bedrock values just vary too much.
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Originally Posted By FarmersSon⏩
That's the thing, I totally agree with you and the pro-life crowd as well. I'm not sure. But I know that one is stupid and unproductive. I'd probably think differently if doctors didn't suck so badly at women's health tbh, for as long as gynecologists think it's too much hassle to use an ultrasound post IUD placement, I will be pro choice.Is there a point in the pregnancy where it becomes not silly to make the comparison?
It's something I've thought about a lot over the years. I understand your statement and can see the logic in it. At the same time, I view the growing baby as a human life, and I understand where the strictly pro-life crowd is coming from, too. I've pretty much accepted that there are no easy answers on the subject that everyone will agree on. People's bedrock values just vary too much.
It's something I've thought about a lot over the years. I understand your statement and can see the logic in it. At the same time, I view the growing baby as a human life, and I understand where the strictly pro-life crowd is coming from, too. I've pretty much accepted that there are no easy answers on the subject that everyone will agree on. People's bedrock values just vary too much.
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The republican( conservative) mindset is that we love our Country, hate to see it ruined by liberal policies that waste money and dont work, and bullchit social changes that dont need to be made. We are mostly happy well adjusted people who are content with the way the world works and will always work, unlike the left which is the complete opposite- a herd of unhappy, mentally ill people who actively try to tear down everything great or good in the world.
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This. But you won't see dems admitting it.The entire reason that healthcare costs are so outrageous is because of government interference. Same with college tuition. OP thinks that the same people that created the problems are going to solve them...
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Can't you just get health care insurance with a decent job in the states?
U don't want none of this tax smoke up here in Canada, believe dat hombre
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Originally Posted By OatSlap⏩
Yes, but it's still wacky. I have a great job with excellent insurance and am still paying off a surgery I had over the summer that was pre-approved and absolutely essentail. Then one of the hospitalists was out of network so I was billed for that, even though the hospital was in network. Also the anesthesia wasn't approved? It's such a mess.Can't you just get health care insurance with a decent job in the states?
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01-13-2022, 11:34 AM
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01-13-2022, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
Odd, I think it's the exact same thing.No. I think it's a little silly to compare tossing a baby in the trash to a 5 week abortion. This will never be comparable to me.
I'm glad I've never been in a situation where I had to make a choice, however. Not sure I could choose to kill an unborn, but I think there's a time where it could be acceptable, like if no one wants to adopt it and there's no financial means to care for it, rape, etc. If it's out of just gross incompetence, I personally don't feel right about it. Probably needs to remain between the person and their doctor. But people make bad decisions all the time...like voting for Biden.
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01-13-2022, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted By _zman⏩
If it's the exact same thing, then the the trash can thing is acceptable if the mother was poor. Is that correct?Odd, I think it's the exact same thing.
I'm glad I've never been in a situation where I had to make a choice, however. Not sure I could choose to kill an unborn, but I think there's a time where it could be acceptable, like if no one wants to adopt it and there's no financial means to care for it, rape, etc. If it's out of just gross incompetence, I personally don't feel right about it. Probably needs to remain between the person and their doctor. But people make bad decisions all the time...like voting for Biden.
I'm glad I've never been in a situation where I had to make a choice, however. Not sure I could choose to kill an unborn, but I think there's a time where it could be acceptable, like if no one wants to adopt it and there's no financial means to care for it, rape, etc. If it's out of just gross incompetence, I personally don't feel right about it. Probably needs to remain between the person and their doctor. But people make bad decisions all the time...like voting for Biden.
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