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post 1686725773 07-18-2023, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33
what benefits might someone else get from getting it?
Check out the linked paper. There's quite a bit of work in the area as evidenced by the reference list.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Check out the linked paper. There's quite a bit of work in the area as evidenced by the reference list.
He's not going to read the paper.
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Originally Posted By TheMossad
He's not going to read the paper.
You never know!

Although they did use some regression, they also used unsupervised approaches.

That might not cancel out one author receiving honoraria, but still, maybe some folks will read it.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Another pseudointellectual, another strawman. What else is new?
what a weird thing for him to say - as if people can't distinguish between doctors I work with and trust and who don't push pills and some randos that wrote a paper.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Check out the linked paper. There's quite a bit of work in the area as evidenced by the reference list.
why can't you summarize what the potential positive results might be? I don't have a background in this area so it will be over my head
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
You never know!
The best part is how they think this is all some scam to sell "injections". But the injections were already paid for by the US govt. It wouldn't matter at all if anyone took them or not if that were the case. Pfizer and friends still made their money. Doctors urged people to get vaccinated because it fuking helped, and the science supported that. There is no logic to these antivaxxer positions. They are just whining toddlers.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33
why can't you summarize what the potential positive results might be? I don't have a background in this area so it will be over my head
Lmfao
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33
why can't you summarize what the potential positive results might be? I don't have a background in this area so it will be over my head
Then ask the doctors you trust and work with
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Originally Posted By TheMossad
So your solution is to never use any pharma products ever again even tho these are huge companies. You also conclude all medical science is bs and seek to replace it with...what exactly? Gawd?

You should be banned from healthcare then. If you get sick, you should just die. No asking a doctor for help.

In fact, we should kick Florida out of the union, and let you guys make it your nazi anti-intellectual utopia. And let's just see what happens. You shouldn't be allowed any modern medical technology or science. You must do everything via faith. Best of luck.
Lmfao what a sh!t for brains take you have there.


“Hurr durr if you dare question entities with an extensive history of lying and prioritizing profit over health of customers then you should be denied healthcare!!”



My solution is to live a healthy lifestyle via exercise, diet, good sleep habits, meditation and other activities to release stress, maintaining healthy relationships with friends and family, volunteering to make the world a better place, incorporating prayer and other things to maintain a grateful attitude, balancing work and life, minimizing alcohol intake, avoiding drugs, and engaging in activities that I thoroughly enjoy so that life is pleasant.


This allows me to maintain great blood markers all across the board with zero medications. I rarely ever get sick and if I do I recover quickly. I don’t get flu shots and never get the flu. I never got the Covid injection and never got Covid despite having someone in my house infected that I took care of and watching everyone on my team at work(who I was around very frequently) get Covid despite them all having received the injections.


Perhaps you should try my solution!
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Originally Posted By Anachron
You won't cancel out anything.
Thanks!

I'll correct that typo!

Sorry I didn't catch it!
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33
what a weird thing for him to say - as if people can't distinguish between doctors I work with and trust and who don't push pills and some randos that wrote a paper.
Oh so the doctors you trust don't prescribe medicine? Fascinating. Do they have MDs?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Then ask the doctors you trust and work with
I did - he said he saw no advantage to it.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Lmfao what a sh!t for brains take you have there.


“Hurr durr if you dare question entities with an extensive history of lying and prioritizing profit over health of customers then you should be denied healthcare!!”



My solution is to live a healthy lifestyle via exercise, diet, good sleep habits, meditation and other activities to release stress, maintaining healthy relationships with friends and family, volunteering to make the world a better place, incorporating prayer and other things to maintain a grateful attitude, balancing work and life, minimizing alcohol intake, avoiding drugs, and engaging in activities that I thoroughly enjoy so that life is pleasant.


This allows me to maintain great blood markers all across the board with zero medications. I rarely ever get sick and if I do I recover quickly. I don’t get flu shots and never get the flu. I never got the Covid injection and never got Covid despite having someone in my house infected that I took care of and watching everyone on my team at work(who I was around very frequently) get Covid despite them all having received the injections.


Perhaps you should try my solution!
If it works for you, it should generalize to all. Yeah?
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Originally Posted By TheMossad
The best part is how they think this is all some scam to sell "injections". But the injections were already paid for by the US govt. It wouldn't matter at all if anyone took them or not if that were the case. Pfizer and friends still made their money. Doctors urged people to get vaccinated because it fuking helped, and the science supported that. There is no logic to these antivaxxer positions. They are just whining toddlers.
And vaccines are simply not the path to phenomenal wealth for pharma companies. What's the total revenue that is generated from the sales of pharmaceuticals and their cognate products? Over a trillion. In a given year, taking 2013 as an example, vaccines generated 24 billion in revenue. And even then, the actual profit in terms of take home pay is around 10%, the rest is wrapped up in the phenomenal costs that go into even making a vaccine like research, taxes, regulation etc.

The net profit is just so much higher in non-vaccine products. Why? Simple common sense: Vaccines aren't designed to treat illness, they prevent it. They're given a couple of times max to otherwise healthy people. Drugs are given to sick people who need them and need ongoing treatment. If you are a pharma CEO and you want some evil plan to make astronomical amounts of money, you'd design some very debilitating disease and a very expensive drug that requires ongoing treatment.


That's just such a better Dr Evil type of plan. Vaccines are much more heavily regulated and there's a huge financial risk involved upfront.
During the past fifty years, the number of pharmaceutical companies making vaccines has decreased dramatically, and those that still make vaccines have reduced resources to make new ones. Pharmaceutical companies are gradually abandoning vaccines because the research, development, testing, and manufacture of vaccines are expensive and because the market to sell vaccines is much smaller than the market for other drug products. Congressional action could assure both a steady supply of existing vaccines and the promise of vaccines for the future.
https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/ab...alCode=hlthaff



Of course, you are correct. Arguments like this can't be matched by anti-vaxxers. They just throw their chicken nuggets out of the pram.
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33
I did - he said he saw no advantage to it.
Oh, just one?

Then don't get vaccinated
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Oh, just one?

Then don't get vaccinated
Right. That was him.

So I am curious what the paper says
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Lmfao what a sh!t for brains take you have there.


“Hurr durr if you dare question entities with an extensive history of lying and prioritizing profit over health of customers then you should be denied healthcare!!”



My solution is to live a healthy lifestyle via exercise, diet, good sleep habits, meditation and other activities to release stress, maintaining healthy relationships with friends and family, volunteering to make the world a better place, incorporating prayer and other things to maintain a grateful attitude, balancing work and life, minimizing alcohol intake, avoiding drugs, and engaging in activities that I thoroughly enjoy so that life is pleasant.


This allows me to maintain great blood markers all across the board with zero medications. I rarely ever get sick and if I do I recover quickly. I don’t get flu shots and never get the flu. I never got the Covid injection and never got Covid despite having someone in my house infected that I took care of and watching everyone on my team at work(who I was around very frequently) get Covid despite them all having received the injections.


Perhaps you should try my solution!
Your "solution" is not a substitute for modern medicine, piss for brains. It's fine to have a healthy lifestyle. That doesn't cure or protect you from disease. Your solution really is gawd. You literally don't believe modern medicine has any value. You think you can exercise viruses away. Holy chit.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
And vaccines are simply not the path to phenomenal wealth for pharma companies. What's the total revenue that is generated from the sales of pharmaceuticals and their cognate products? Over a trillion. In a given year, taking 2013 as an example, vaccines generated 24 billion in revenue. And even then, the actual profit in terms of take home pay is around 10%, the rest is wrapped up in the phenomenal costs that go into even making a vaccine like research, taxes, regulation etc.

The net profit is just so much higher in non-vaccine products. Why? Simple common sense: Vaccines aren't designed to treat illness, they prevent it. They're given a couple of times max to otherwise healthy people. Drugs are given to sick people who need them and need ongoing treatment. If you are a pharma CEO and you want some evil plan to make astronomical amounts of money, you'd design some very debilitating disease and a very expensive drug that requires ongoing treatment.


That's just such a better Dr Evil type of plan. Vaccines are much more heavily regulated and there's a huge financial risk involved upfront.




https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/ab...alCode=hlthaff



Of course, you are correct. Arguments like this can't be matched by anti-vaxxers. They just throw their chicken nuggets out of the pram.
Excellent point. Therapeutics and treatments after the fact are FAR more financially lucrative.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
If it works for you, it should generalize to all. Yeah?
If everyone in this country took my approach would the health of this country improve overall? Absolutely. Are there exceptions to every rule? Absolutely. Is my system better than the one being prioritized/promoted by healthcare? I’d say yea and my record speaks for itself.


What items from my list do you feel wouldn’t be beneficial to others?
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Now turn that around the other way, and see how it looks.
If something doesn't work for me it won't work for anyone?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
If everyone in this country took my approach would the health of this country improve overall? Absolutely. Are there exceptions to every rule? Absolutely. Is my system better than the one being prioritized/promoted by healthcare? I’d say yea and my record speaks for itself.


What items from my list do you feel wouldn’t be beneficial to others?
Lmfao no. No your system is trash. You're not more effective than modern medicine, you absolute arrogant ignorant worthless prick. JFC. Doctors already recommend living a healthy lifestyle. That is not a substitute for medicine.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
If everyone in this country took my approach would the health of this country improve overall? Absolutely. Are there exceptions to every rule? Absolutely. Is my system better than the one being prioritized/promoted by healthcare? I’d say yea and my record speaks for itself.


What items from my list do you feel wouldn’t be beneficial to others?
I don't think drawing population-level inference from a sample of 1 is valid. We've discussed that previously.

I do think approaches like regression are necessary to draw population-level inference from sample sizes larger than 1. We might disagree on that, but it's my position.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Nah, if something works foryou, it should generalize to all.
I disagree with that notion.

Which is what I said.

I don't see how repeating the same thing is "turning it around".
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Of course, you are correct. Arguments like this can't be matched by anti-vaxxers. They just throw their chicken nuggets out of the pram.
are nuggies better than human flesh?

or was that lie?
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Originally Posted By Anachron
So are you going to tell us why you decided to go against the CDC's recommendations, refused to get the 1st and 2nd boosters, and put your community at increased risk?

Sounds to me like you're an "absolute arrogant ignorant worthless prick".
man he just won't answer that question will he?
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These people are actually just fuking crazy. I can't even imagine going through life that way. Legit deny all science and reality and pretend your sky fairy will protect you as long as you work out and eat x diet.
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Originally Posted By TheMossad
Your "solution" is not a substitute for modern medicine, piss for brains. It's fine to have a healthy lifestyle. That doesn't cure or protect you from disease. Your solution really is gawd. You literally don't believe modern medicine has any value. You think you can exercise viruses away. Holy chit.
It’s obvious you’re going off the deep end again, so I’ll just post this and then stop.


The number one killer of both men and women in America is heart disease. What is the best way to protect yourself from heart disease??



Lmfao at screaming about how a healthy lifestyle doesn’t protect you from disease, while also screaming about how awesome a borderline useless injection is that prevents neither infection nor spread of a disease.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
I don't think drawing population-level inference from a sample of 1 is valid. We've discussed that previously.

I do think approaches like regression are necessary to draw population-level inference from sample sizes larger than 1. We might disagree on that, but it's my position.
I didn’t do that. I incorporated those things because they are proven to be effective and I feel much better with that system in my daily life.



Again, what items from my list do you feel wouldn’t be beneficial to others?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
It’s obvious you’re going off the deep end again, so I’ll just post this and then stop.


The number one killer of both men and women in America is heart disease. What is the best way to protect yourself from heart disease??



Lmfao at screaming about how a healthy lifestyle doesn’t protect you from disease, while also screaming about how awesome a borderline useless injection is that prevents neither infection nor spread of a disease.
It mildly helps to exercise and have a healthy lifestyle. It does not protect you from disease. Holy chit. How are you this stupid?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
The number one killer of both men and women in America is heart disease. What is the best way to protect yourself from heart disease??
The evidence suggest genetics play a large role.
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