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post 1689229853 08-30-2023, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Semantics again.

Point is give YOUR money to them and stop queefing about studies.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Studies are the currency of science
So that's a hard "NO" on giving them your own money then.. got it.
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
I think forced military service would be a great idea. Definitely headaches for the people having to supervise them, but with a lot of these people if you have them on proper meds and give them structure, shelter and meals, they can actually start to get their stuff together. It's a better idea than forced rehab or mental institutions IMO.
You want to force these people into the military???? What makes you think they would even qualify???
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
You want to force these people into the military???? What makes you think they would even qualify???
Have you seen the level that people need to qualify lately? It's a joke because they need numbers.
post 1689229993 08-30-2023, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Oh yeah Patty, the stimulus checks were amazing...... And how are things present day?
So you blame "things present day" on covid checks?

You guys kill me... it's like the super low Biden unemployment numbers. Must be fake because people going back to their old jobs don't count!!!

Yeah we're years past that.. just like the covid checks.
post 1689238873 08-30-2023, 05:57 PM
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Sending money to people who aren’t mentally deranged drug addicts and drunks but just are finding it hard to make ends meet in a place where rent is $3,000 on average for a 1 bedroom box…will help some of them actually make rent.

Wow, mind blowing.
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post 1689239673 08-30-2023, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
So you blame "things present day" on covid checks?

You guys kill me... it's like the super low Biden unemployment numbers. Must be fake because people going back to their old jobs don't count!!!

Yeah we're years past that.. just like the covid checks.
The massive government spending in the trillions.....

And people going back to work, equals jobs created?

Face it, businesses leaving, crime increasing, the migrant crisis, evictions increasing, credit card debt is at one trillion, people cashing their 401K early, things are great!!!!!
post 1689239803 08-30-2023, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Have you seen the level that people need to qualify lately? It's a joke because they need numbers.
Once again, they wouldn't qualify...... And that would inspire respect and fear from our enemies, letting them know that we have homeless individuals in our military.
post 1689241023 08-30-2023, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
It was reality

We saw the actions of human behavior with handouts, and how they will default to compromising the least output work possible for the comfort of being taken care of.

Even willing to long-term willingness forgo 90% of their income (when the opportunity was available again, and they chose to not take it ) and trade for not working.
Pretty sure from the people in charges perspective it was a success you just need a regular Ponzi scheme influx via say mass immigration from countries we end up destroying because we can’t let them industrialize due to steel and concrete requirements.

That keeps the volume going on the cash printing and spending and stimulus, then do a hard reset with a controlled pandemic when the economic brakes ares about to fall apart.

Make people reliant on the govt handouts since they will be too complacent to pick themselves up and have the dignity to stand up for themselves.



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post 1689241783 08-30-2023, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Reduces homelessness? Okay, and? Some cities put homeless in hotels for months at a time. Yes shelters are then less full. Sounds like six, one have dozen the other. Society will be paying either way. The question is what happens in the longer term.
These studies seem to just be highlighting the inefficiencies of government, meaning society will be paying either way, but in certain situations will pay less with direct payments.

Most everyone is for more efficient use of limited dollars and it's interesting to see some of the kneejerk aversion to direct payments.
post 1689242623 08-30-2023, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Pretty sure from the people in charges perspective it was a success you just need a regular Ponzi scheme influx via say mass immigration from countries we end up destroying because we can’t let them industrialize due to steel and concrete requirements.

That keeps the volume going on the cash printing and spending and stimulus, then do a hard reset with a controlled pandemic when the economic brakes ares about to fall apart.

Make people reliant on the govt handouts since they will be too complacent to pick themselves up and have the dignity to stand up for themselves.



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Why ignore that the bourgeoisie benefit directly from a healthy/viable proletariat?
post 1689243493 08-30-2023, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Why ignore that the bourgeoisie benefit directly from a healthy/viable proletariat?
How much money have you given?
post 1689244093 08-30-2023, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Why ignore that the bourgeoisie benefit directly from a healthy/viable proletariat?
Because that wealth distribution is no longer adequate with population lvls and globalization / mega corps and they aren’t about to go backwards on their spending power bud.

It’s systemically too large to fail and bail outs / printer shenanigans from now on.
post 1689244283 08-30-2023, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
Where is this money coming from?
Where do you think?

Remember: they don’t care about helping poor people up, just making the rest of us poor too
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post 1689244593 08-30-2023, 07:40 PM
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When you think about it, if op’s retarded father hadn’t given 100 billion to Ukraine, this is actually feasible.

500,000 bums is $3.8 billion. Liquor store owners will be making bank.
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post 1689244733 08-30-2023, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
How much money have you given?
To what/whom?
post 1689244793 08-30-2023, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Because that wealth distribution is no longer adequate with population lvls and globalization / mega corps and they aren’t about to go backwards on their spending power bud.

It’s systemically too large to fail and bail outs / printer shenanigans from now on.
Totally


post 1689244823 08-30-2023, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
When you think about it, if op’s retarded father hadn’t given 100 billion to Ukraine, this is actually feasible.

500,000 bums is $3.8 billion. Liquor store owners will be making bank.
Prob could buy houses for a generation had we not spent the last generation in foreign wars.

post 1689245093 08-30-2023, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
To what/whom?
Why aren't you giving money to homeless people?
post 1689245153 08-30-2023, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Why aren't you giving money to homeless people?
I'm in Canada, so I do
post 1689263623 08-31-2023, 07:32 AM
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i'm sure they did these same studies on decriminalizing heroin
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Originally Posted By sooby⏩
i'm sure they did these same studies on decriminalizing heroin
just buy them drugs and they will be happy

just let them commit crimes and they will be happy

just let them do the next degenerate thing that furthers the breakdown of society and they will be happy
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imagine wanting the govt to spend more money even more wastefully than they already do


how much has cali spent on homelessness? is it solved there?
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post 1689264583 08-31-2023, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
just buy them drugs and they will be happy

just let them commit crimes and they will be happy

just let them do the next degenerate thing that furthers the breakdown of society and they will be happy
That wasn't reported in this one.
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I have no problem helping the working poor get enough cash together to make their first, last, and security deposit

the destitute homeless living on the streets...it ain't gonna help
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there are some problems with the design of the study to conclusively say this is beneficial. the data in table 1 isn't a representative sample of the homeless population.

i think what this says is if somebody isn't addicted to drugs and doesn't have a debilitating mental health issue, a 1 time cash payment leads to better outcomes...which makes sense. some people have unfortunate circumstances, if you provide the right aid at the right time you can probably stop them from becoming homeless...but this probably wouldn't be an affective solution across the entire homeless population.
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Originally Posted By tyqb4⏩
there are some problems with the design of the study to conclusively say this is beneficial. the data in table 1 isn't a representative sample of the homeless population.

i think what this says is if somebody isn't addicted to drugs and doesn't have a debilitating mental health issue, a 1 time cash payment leads to better outcomes...which makes sense. some people have unfortunate circumstances, if you provide the right aid at the right time you can probably stop them from becoming homeless...but this probably wouldn't be an affective solution across the entire homeless population.
Looks like the workshop and coaching also helped.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I get why you don't like the results

"Study counters public perception that cash would just be spent on drugs and booze"
If people gave me more cash I could buy a bigger home

Great logic


Come to San Francisco you dumb Covid riddle POS and see what happens when are given $1000+ each month

You have quickly risen to the the ranks of one of the dumbest liberal fcuks out there
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Expanding would take a lot of funding. Researchers have limited funds
Just raise taxes in those that work for a living. That's what liberals always do
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
I mean giving all the homeless 7k and watching half of them fall over dead by next week from fent does seem like it would reduce homelessness

Thesis checks out

Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Didn't people across the country basically use their covid stimulus Trump bucks to pay down their debt? (and feed their kids... I believe child hunger plummeted due to the checks)

Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
They also use it to not return to the workforce

Which is why it took almost 3 years to return to pre Covid percent of population employed

And the main cause for inflation- that also exacerbated worldwide inflation.
Still mad, huh?
Originally Posted By WoofieNugget⏩
Sorry, but if you read the article they specifically said thatthe subjects had no addiction or mental health issues.So yes, if you give the 10% of homeless who aren't that a way to get ahead, they may use the money wisely. The problem is you can't hand it out to those people and not the others.

If they had handed $7500 to a bunch of addicts and mentally ill, it would have been gone in a week and probably most of them would have died from ODs.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
They also provided a workshop and coaching.
Not exactly a shock. IIRC previous investigations concluded that the best way to fight homelessness is to prevent it via emergency help when individuals are still housed. Or, IOW, it is cheaper for the community to catch up the back rent for a person who has fallen behind allowing them to continue supporting themselves rather than deal with the expenses of unhoused people- shelters, policing, publicly funded medical care, etc. Many homeless people who drink or use drugs don't fall into that until after they land on the streets. It's a way to cope with the stress and anxiety of the situation.
Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Because that wealth distribution is no longer adequate with population lvls and globalization / mega corps and they aren’t about to go backwards on their spending power bud.

It’s systemically too large to fail and bail outs / printer shenanigans from now on.
Just saw that the US spending has cranked up from $100M an hour to $115M an hour at the same time as tax receipts are falling.

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There is a lot that the OP didn’t include. The study consisted of a LOT of other costs associated with this study that isn’t mentioned. The cash wasn’t the only expenditure. Here are some important points…

1. Subjects weren’t told what the study was about. They were unaware they would be receiving cash. When you set a system up like this, people are more likely to plan how they can exploit the system.

2. The city had recently built brand new project housing in the area. This means, they had access to tax payer funded housing.

3. Subjects had to be sober with no evidence of drug or alcohol use.

4. They combined the data for “ease of data collection”. We don’t know how much the coaching, education, and other help played a role.

5. Study was only 1 year. “The Churn” is a reference to the cycle of homelessness. Generally speaking, there is an underlying reason each individual is homeless. Until the root cause of each individual is addressed, the likelihood of repeat homelessness is extremely high. In other words, something like mental health care could be necessary.

6. As stated above, this study selected individuals who would specifically have a good chance of getting out of homelessness. The length of time, the root cause etc all impacted who they selected. In other words, they chose the exceptions to the rule.

There is more to address with the study, but the bottom line is, the total costs weren’t addressed, and the study was done in VERY ideal circumstances, like convenient low cost housing and candidates who would have been more likely to pull themselves out of homelessness.
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