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04-23-2024, 12:54 PM
#61
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Hurr Durr, pay us for 40hrs of work, when we're only working 32hrs. Plus, raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr, possibly higher, also, give us a year off for parental leave, etc……
…and increase wages in line with profit shares, and introduce occupational health and safety laws, workers compensation, ban child labour, right to organise into labour unions, yeah what’s your point?

Let me guess, “hurr durr im a corporate bootlicker and the entirety of the profit share should go to shareholders”

Lmao back to your minimum wage/minimum intellect job
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04-23-2024, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Modern nations run on people showing up to work. There are only a small percent of jobs out there that dudes can get away with just fukking off 90% of the time. And 'technology' allows them to do so.

Should only white collar workers be allowed to just show up to work a few hours per day and still get paid a 'full time' salary? What about the ones that are need to work longer hours? Are they more valuable? Should they be paid far more? And the guys who can get their work done in just a few hours have their salaries slashed?


Literally every other job/service requires people showing up to get **** done. Electricians, plumbers, hvac, doctors, truck drivers, people that work in restaurants/service industry, gas stations, grocery stores, etc. The world runs on people showing up to work.


I've been to some small towns where every business is closed on Sundays and almost everything closes by 6:00PM on Saturday. I'm sure its great for the people that work in industries that's normally open at those times. But let me tell you. It sucks ass being in a society where nobody is at work.





These professions are working longer hours to compensate. I know people that are teachers and while they get nice holiday breaks off. They are typically working closer to 10-12 hours per day 5 days per week when school is in session. Just because class is out doesn't mean they are chilling. They have to do work at home too.

When it comes to police/FF/Nurses. Yes, they get a lot of days off. But they are also working longer hours. Cops are typically 12 hour shifts. Nurses 12-13. Firefighters work 24 hour shifts. Pretty much every cop, FF or nurse I know works closer to 60H per week then 40. Working longer hours means more days off. Which means they can pick up side hustles/extra shifts for OT.

Nobody has given a good counterpoint to: Becoming so efficient that 40 hours/wk is no longer a requirement. If not now, then by the year 2040 where tech has advanced so much everything is more streamlined.



I haven't seen a solid argument against 40hrs/wk or WFH. All I've seen is the repeated talking point "It's not fair." That's not a convincing argument. So I'll I'm justified to keep playing devil's advocate.
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04-23-2024, 12:55 PM
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Bootlickers putting in some serious OT ITT

Hope your corporate overlords appreciate it
The Australian calling others "boot-licker."

As someone else pointed out, imagine this concept being applied to plumbers, electricians, dentists, carpenters, construction workers, etc.
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04-23-2024, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Hurr Durr, pay us for 40hrs of work, when we're only working 32hrs. Plus, raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr, possibly higher, also, give us a year off for parental leave, etc……
LOL most of us aren't even working 25 hours/wk.

Install a web monitoring program and see exactly what workers do.
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04-23-2024, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
…and increase wages in line with profit shares, and introduce occupational health and safety laws, workers compensation, ban child labour, right to organise into labour unions, yeah what’s your point?

Let me guess, “hurr durr im a corporate bootlicker and the entirety of the profit share should go to shareholders”

Lmao back to your minimum wage/minimum intellect job
If you want see the benefits of profit shares, then buy the stock.
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04-23-2024, 12:58 PM
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Nobody has given a good counterpoint to: Becoming so efficient that 40 hours/wk is no longer a requirement. If not now, then by the year 2040 where tech has advanced so much everything is more streamlined.



I haven't seen a solid argument against 40hrs/wk or WFH. All I've seen is the repeated talking point "It's not fair." That's not a convincing argument. So I'll I'm justified to keep playing devil's advocate.
If you want to work 32hrs, then do it, nobody is stopping you.

What you want, is to be paid for forty hrs of work, when you're only working 32hrs a week.
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04-23-2024, 01:01 PM
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Since y'all can't make valid arguments against working 40hrs/wk, I'll do it for you.


Reasons to show up 5 days a week at the office:

-Putting out 'fires' and 'emergencies'
-Having instant team communication
-Team building
-Supporting the local economy full of landlords and restaurants




Will try to add more to this list as I go on, but those are valid arguments. Shouting "muh fairness" isn't.
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04-23-2024, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
If you want see the benefits of profit shares, then buy the stock.
…or just demand a greater share of the profit as part of wages. Including through collective bargaining, if that is the preference of the workers.

Not you personally though. You should by all means continue to accept your minimum wage job that doesn’t keep pace with inflation. I’m sure your corporate overlords will be grateful to you (even if they don’t demonstrate that gratitude with additional wages).
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04-23-2024, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
If you want to work 32hrs, then do it, nobody is stopping you.

What you want, is to be paid for forty hrs of work, when you're only working 32hrs a week.

If you can do 40hrs of work in 32 hours why shouldn't you be paid the 40hrs???
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04-23-2024, 01:04 PM
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I worked 4-10s first 3 years of my career and loved that schedule, having Monday off when most were back in the office. Not an option where I work now but I’m 60% wfh so I’m good with that trade off
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04-23-2024, 01:13 PM
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Most people do like 3 actual hours of work a day in an office, rest is spent browsing ********, amazon, chatting, etc. With computers we are like 1000x more productive nowadays. Hours work /= productivity. With AI springing up that productivity will improve even further. The psychopaths at the top will still want people sitting in an office pretending to look busy though.
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04-23-2024, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
…or just demand a greater share of the profit as part of wages. Including through collective bargaining, if that is the preference of the workers.

Not you personally though. You should by all means continue to accept your minimum wage job that doesn’t keep pace with inflation. I’m sure your corporate overlords will be grateful to you (even if they don’t demonstrate that gratitude with additional wages).
What is stopping you from buying shares of the company?
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04-23-2024, 01:18 PM
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If you can do 40hrs of work in 32 hours why shouldn't you be paid the 40hrs???
Okay, once again, start your own business and show us how it's done. But you won't, you want the government to do it for you…..
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04-23-2024, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
No patent, just using Technology to it's fullest capability. Instead of typing the same list of 60 item list 5 times, I did some research and learned how to use technology to make a simple template that takes 2 seconds to upload. So yes, that cuts the 10 hours of work into 2 hours of work. Doesn't have to be over 2 days, could be over a week, could be over a month. Over time, cutting 10-20-30 minutes of work adds up. Suddenly you have free time and it's smooth sailing the month of May.
You still didn't explain how you "did 10 hours of work" in "2 hours".

You did two hours of work in two hours.

Unless you can somehow break free of time, there is literally no way of "doing 10 hours of work" in "2 hours".

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04-23-2024, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
People are free to choose to work 4 days a week if they wanted to, just like how people are free to choose to work 6 days a week.

And if one doesn't even want to work at all, they can choose not to work!

I don't understand what the whining is all about.


People seemingly missed this post - probably the truth hurts.

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04-23-2024, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
The same people that complain they can't afford to buy houses and are getting fukked by student loans and inflation are wanting to work less hours. Let me guess. They want to work less hours/days but keep their pay the same/increase their pay.



I actually support the 4 day work week. Lets do it. So the dudes that are willing to hustle 5-6 days per week just make a ****load more money and the wealth gap grows even greater between the plebs.
No ****, thats why they want it. There's no point in busting your ass 5 days a week when cost of living doesn't make sense anymore. A high school graduate could support an entire family decades ago, nowadays having a Master's in some areas won't suffice
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No ****, thats why they want it. There's no point in busting your ass 5 days a week when cost of living doesn't make sense anymore. A high school graduate could support an entire family decades ago, nowadays having a Master's in some areas won't suffice
Now start looking at why that is…

And keep supporting the governments around the world that enabled it.

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04-23-2024, 02:24 PM
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Now start looking at why that is…

And keep supporting the governments around the world that enabled it.

I'm conservative/lean towards moderate
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04-23-2024, 02:31 PM
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there is no assumption…..the fact is they are looking for excuses to work less and get paid the same or more. Bunch of SJF.

Want W/L balance cool…..come in 3 days a week and get paid for 3 days a week….lets see how you fare paying that rent boyo.
You just know this guy used to flex the absurd amounts of overtime he worked like a good drone

Lmao

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04-23-2024, 02:32 PM
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New Zealand is trying to incorporate the 4-day work week, last I checked.

Most office plebs are already working a 4-day week. It's pretty obvious when you receive far less emails on a Friday. It's just the fact that we haven't made it official. Can you imagine what the boomers would say…let em work if they want to.
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04-23-2024, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
What is stopping you from buying shares of the company?
Absolutely nothing. In fact in this country it’s almost mandatory.

What’s stopping you from demanding higher pay and better working conditions for a given amount of labour?
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I'm conservative/lean towards moderate
Age : 31

Sure you are.

Maybe these days because the left has moved so far that slightly left of center is now "far right".

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04-23-2024, 02:42 PM
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People seemingly missed this post - probably the truth hurts.

No, it’s just not particularly relevant to anything.

Of course people can choose to work fewer hours. The question is how much additional money can they demand in exchange for a given hour of labour.
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04-23-2024, 02:43 PM
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No, it’s just not particularly relevant to anything.

Of course people can choose to work fewer hours. The question is how much additional money can they demand in exchange for a given hour of labour.
The problem lies in the bolded.

If their "labour" is measured in hours…

That sounds like a problem they need to work on.



Edit : The topic is literally about the 4 day work week, and how people would prefer more time off - what I posted is 100% relevant.
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04-23-2024, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
Since y'all can't make valid arguments against working 40hrs/wk, I'll do it for you.


Reasons to show up 5 days a week at the office:

-Putting out 'fires' and 'emergencies'
-Having instant team communication
-Team building
-Supporting the local economy full of landlords and restaurants




Will try to add more to this list as I go on, but those are valid arguments. Shouting "muh fairness" isn't.
Lol’d at you doing a better job of arguing for the 5 day work week than those who are staunchly for it.
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04-23-2024, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
The problem lies in the bolded.

If their "labour" is measured in hours…

That sounds like a problem they need to work on.



Edit : The topic is literally about the 4 day work week, and how people would prefer more time off - what I posted is 100% relevant.
The vast majority of the workforce is salaried. People who are genuinely paid for outcomes and not inputs are able to set their own terms anyway - and are thus irrelevant to this discussion.

As for the “problem they need to work on” - correct, which is what the four day work week push is about. So they are doing precisely what you suggest.
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One of the disconnects here is some think that being undervalued is a personal problem and an obstacle to overcome. Others think of it as a widespread economic issue, and one that has become systemically entrenched, requiring correction. There is some truth to both perspectives. The solutions (unions, federal mandates, bootstraps, etc) all come with their own sets of issues, and I don’t think any one of them solves the problem alone.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
Nobody has given a good counterpoint to: Becoming so efficient that 40 hours/wk is no longer a requirement. If not now, then by the year 2040 where tech has advanced so much everything is more streamlined.



I haven't seen a solid argument against 40hrs/wk or WFH. All I've seen is the repeated talking point "It's not fair." That's not a convincing argument. So I'll I'm justified to keep playing devil's advocate.
Its only practical for a small percent of workers. Only a small percent of career fields can utilize tech/AI to do their work. And the entire world tried WFH/ wide-spread remote work during covid. There is a reason why CEO's ordered people back into their offices. Its because productivity dropped off.


Since you seem to think people will work harder/be more efficient this way. Why don't you create your own company? Have your employees just work 4 days per week/ a cut number of hours per day. Maybe even from home.

Since its so efficient and people will work harder and be more productive. You should be able to out-perform traditional companies and get rich as fukk in the process.






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No ****, thats why they want it. There's no point in busting your ass 5 days a week when cost of living doesn't make sense anymore. A high school graduate could support an entire family decades ago, nowadays having a Master's in some areas won't suffice
People in general are morons and either live in places with a cost of living inflated out of their earning potential. Or they go get in debt at a young age. And choose a **** career to go with it.
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The vast majority of the workforce is salaried. People who are genuinely paid for outcomes and not inputs are able to set their own terms anyway - and are thus irrelevant to this discussion.

As for the “problem they need to work on” - correct, which is what the four day work week push is about. So they are doing precisely what you suggest.
You brought up "how much additional money can they demand in exchange for a given hour of labour ", so the irrelevancy was introduced by you - not me. The topic is about the number of days worked, not how much people get paid by the hour.

And you are correct, there are a lot of workers who are salaried… Which means they are not paid by the hour, which further reinforces that your introduction of being paid by the hour is completely and utterly irrelevant. The sad part is that a lot of the sentiment in this thread is stemming from "Macbook privilege" - those ITT who want are whining about having to work a 5 day workweek would be dismayed by not getting the Ubereats delivery on Fridays ( or the inevitable price increase if they do get it ).

And no, they are not doing what I am suggesting they do at all - they are merely sitting back and whining about it, as I don't see anyone ITT stating that they have chosen to work 4 days a week.

Even though no one is stopping them from doing so.

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Lol’d at you doing a better job of arguing for the 5 day work week than those who are staunchly for it.
Maybe you can explain how he's bending time and "doing 10 hours of work" in " 2 hours"?

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