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05-07-2024, 09:07 AM
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The placebo effects is too effective to be ignored.
We don’t explore the placebo effect as much as we should, because if we unleashed the power of the mind to the general public many corporations and governments would lose their control over us.
We know there are ways to enhance and decrease the ability of the placebo effect.
Some could argue that those who are more spiritual have unlocked this key.
You would be foolish to believe that corporations and governments are not purposefully hiding this spiritual ability that has physical healing powers.
We don’t explore the placebo effect as much as we should, because if we unleashed the power of the mind to the general public many corporations and governments would lose their control over us.
We know there are ways to enhance and decrease the ability of the placebo effect.
Some could argue that those who are more spiritual have unlocked this key.
You would be foolish to believe that corporations and governments are not purposefully hiding this spiritual ability that has physical healing powers.
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05-07-2024, 09:19 AM
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Everyone planing on staying the full 80 years pmsl
Bb..bb.b gotta make the most….”i’m scared” ….
Bb..bb.b gotta make the most….”i’m scared” ….
05-07-2024, 09:20 AM
#63
Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
But I could say I was abducted by aliens and there's no way to prove it so you'd have to believe me based off my experience.
Yes, but they thought the Earth and the heavens were, which they still are - now we just have different perspective.
How can thoughts and emotions be verified? They can't. You rely on the fact that other people experience them.
Hence what I said about God and the spiritual realm - people believing in it because they've experienced it.
How can thoughts and emotions be verified? They can't. You rely on the fact that other people experience them.
Hence what I said about God and the spiritual realm - people believing in it because they've experienced it.
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05-07-2024, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted By Narrator02⏩
People have had fake knee surgeries and have had real results, all because they believed it was real.
But I could say I was abducted by aliens and there's no way to prove it so you'd have to believe me based off my experience.
The mind, spirit and body are powerful when they are aligned.
There’s a trillions dollar industry that doesn’t want you to be the master of your mind body and spirit.
Governments don’t want their people to know what they are capable of, no tyrant does.
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05-07-2024, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Its been brought up already, but the issue here is the
God of the Gaps
fallacy in which the progression of technology and human knowledge further and further places god into a little box and out of peoples lives. As post #41 mentioned we use to attribute everything from the rising of the sun to the tides and natural disasters to gods, now we know how and why they are caused and can even predict their occurrence. The only realm left for god is the consciousness and we're well on our way (within 100 years) to solving that as well.
Sure..just like the theory of evolution..which goes against all principles of science & observed reality as we know it.
The question then becomes what is the most reasonable & quantifiable explanation of how this universe & man came about. Clearly God is the only answer that answers these.
The question then becomes what is the most reasonable & quantifiable explanation of how this universe & man came about. Clearly God is the only answer that answers these.
In other words;
-people use to think god was in the tallest mountain (Mount Olympus) then we climbed the mountain and found nothing there.
-Then people though god was in the sky (heaven) then we built planes that can traverse the globe and saw nothing.
-Then people though god was in space, but we have sent probes and satellites to scour the solar system and have found nothing.
150 years ago, your parents would slap you in the face for questioning that god wasn't in the sky, now, religious folk have had to delve into the metaphysical to explain god when hundreds of years ago all that had to be said was that god was a man with a beard sitting on a floating throne in the sky. They were allowed to believe that because that was the limits of our knowledge at the time, but now that we've sent probes into space that have surpassed the boundaries of our solar system, people have had to push the idea of god into an even farther realm outside of current human understanding.
05-07-2024, 09:38 AM
#66
Originally Posted By WiseOldApe⏩
That is because those people are scared and dependent.
So why do 4 (more like 6 or 7) billion of the 8 billion people believe in the spiritual?
You're saying that every single on of those people is wrong and that you're right?
You're saying that every single on of those people is wrong and that you're right?
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05-07-2024, 09:53 AM
#67
Originally Posted By Maestro⏩
The God of the gap? Really..that’s what you want to go with? Giving something a label does not make it untrue. That “gap” is only answered by the explanation of a creator if you are going to be consistent with scientific principles & observed reality. That’s just the fact of it.
Its been brought up already, but the issue here is the
God of the Gaps
fallacy in which the progression of technology and human knowledge further and further places god into a little box and out of peoples lives. As post #41 mentioned we use to attribute everything from the rising of the sun to the tides and natural disasters to gods, now we know how and why they are caused and can even predict their occurrence. The only realm left for god is the consciousness and we're well on our way (within 100 years) to solving that as well.
In other words;
-people use to think god was in the tallest mountain (Mount Olympus) then we climbed the mountain and found nothing there.
-Then people though god was in the sky (heaven) then we built planes that can traverse the globe and saw nothing.
-Then people though god was in space, but we have sent probes and satellites to scour the solar system and have found nothing.
150 years ago, your parents would slap you in the face for questioning that god wasn't in the sky, now, religious folk have had to delve into the metaphysical to explain god when hundreds of years ago all that had to be said was that god was a man with a beard sitting on a floating throne in the sky. They were allowed to believe that because that was the limits of our knowledge at the time, but now that we've sent probes into space that have surpassed the boundaries of our solar system, people have had to push the idea of god into an even farther realm outside of current human understanding.
In other words;
-people use to think god was in the tallest mountain (Mount Olympus) then we climbed the mountain and found nothing there.
-Then people though god was in the sky (heaven) then we built planes that can traverse the globe and saw nothing.
-Then people though god was in space, but we have sent probes and satellites to scour the solar system and have found nothing.
150 years ago, your parents would slap you in the face for questioning that god wasn't in the sky, now, religious folk have had to delve into the metaphysical to explain god when hundreds of years ago all that had to be said was that god was a man with a beard sitting on a floating throne in the sky. They were allowed to believe that because that was the limits of our knowledge at the time, but now that we've sent probes into space that have surpassed the boundaries of our solar system, people have had to push the idea of god into an even farther realm outside of current human understanding.
We don’t see this Darwinian model of evolution outside of epigenetics & you never will.
Different people believed different things all throughout history, sure, but the Bible/Torah has always been consistent & verifiable through science, archeology, & written historical documentation.
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05-07-2024, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
The God of the gap? Really..that’s what you want to go with? Giving something a label does not make it untrue. That “gap” is only answered by the explanation of a creator if you are going to be consistent with scientific principles & observed reality. That’s just the fact of it.
We don’t see this Darwinian model of evolution outside of epigenetics & you never will.
Different people believed different things all throughout history, sure, but the Bible/Torah has always been consistent & verifiable through science, archeology, & written historical documentation.
We don’t see this Darwinian model of evolution outside of epigenetics & you never will.
Different people believed different things all throughout history, sure, but the Bible/Torah has always been consistent & verifiable through science, archeology, & written historical documentation.
yeah for sure, science has proven that a single jew can part an entire sea…. i guess i missed that lecture.
i hate when religious people try to make these biblical stories or scripts or whatever they are into some factual science based truths, they arent, and ofc they arent because they were written by people who were still taking shieets in desert and burying it with their hands.
just take it for what it is, some allegories that shed light on the struggles of human life throughout the years which ofc do hold some relevance and are still useful.
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05-07-2024, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
yeah for sure, science has proven that a single jew can part an entire sea…. i guess i missed that lecture.
i hate when religious people try to make these biblical stories or scripts or whatever they are into some factual science based truths, they arent, and ofc they arent because they were written by people who were still taking shieets in desert and burying it with their hands.
just take it for what it is, some allegories that shed light on the struggles of human life throughout the years which ofc do hold some relevance and are still useful.
i hate when religious people try to make these biblical stories or scripts or whatever they are into some factual science based truths, they arent, and ofc they arent because they were written by people who were still taking shieets in desert and burying it with their hands.
just take it for what it is, some allegories that shed light on the struggles of human life throughout the years which ofc do hold some relevance and are still useful.
If God can create the universe (and it is created) than surely parting a body of water is not such a difficult task..
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05-07-2024, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
so an entity that created a universe of trillions of planets decided to descend down to just 1 insignificant planet upon the calls of this singular jew and perform a miracle? and this is scientifically proven?
If God can create the universe (and it is created) than surely parting a body of water is not such a difficult task..
lord have mercy…
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05-07-2024, 10:15 AM
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People see what they want to see, its a matter of interpretation. No suprise also that less developed countries are in average more religious.
People believe in religion because its human nature to seek out guidance and follow, they need structure. Questioning their existence, the meaning of life, death, with no real answers brings uncertainty, induces anxiety, chaos in the mind. Religion is literally cope.
Apart from that most people are also born into religion, brainwashed by their parents and their culture, they never had a chance to choose.
People believe in religion because its human nature to seek out guidance and follow, they need structure. Questioning their existence, the meaning of life, death, with no real answers brings uncertainty, induces anxiety, chaos in the mind. Religion is literally cope.
Apart from that most people are also born into religion, brainwashed by their parents and their culture, they never had a chance to choose.
05-07-2024, 10:17 AM
#72
Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I was just watching a video the other day about the fake knee surgeries you’re referring to/referencing how powerful placebo is and how it relates to consciousness/subconscious mind and God. Reps m8.
People have had fake knee surgeries and have had real results, all because they believed it was real.
The mind, spirit and body are powerful when they are aligned.
There’s a trillions dollar industry that doesn’t want you to be the master of your mind body and spirit.
Governments don’t want their people to know what they are capable of, no tyrant does.
The mind, spirit and body are powerful when they are aligned.
There’s a trillions dollar industry that doesn’t want you to be the master of your mind body and spirit.
Governments don’t want their people to know what they are capable of, no tyrant does.
05-07-2024, 10:35 AM
#73
Originally Posted By NMS3⏩
Some people have the power and some don’t.
I was just watching a video the other day about the fake knee surgeries you’re referring to/referencing how powerful placebo is and how it relates to consciousness/subconscious mind and God. Reps m8.
It would be worth it to explore the reason behind this.
If you ask me those who have the power are believers, and those who do not are skeptics.
It’s a fact those who believe have abilities those who do not believe do not have,
And in my opinion this is the evidence that’s proves God.
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05-07-2024, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
You just proved the point..trillions of planets yet only one inhabitable by man & species.
so an entity that created a universe of trillions of planets decided to descend down to just 1 insignificant planet upon the calls of this singular jew and perform a miracle? and this is scientifically proven?
lord have mercy…
lord have mercy…
Maestro made the argument of god of the gaps, but the truth is what we consistently discover in science at an exponential rate is the fine tuning of our universe & life upon this planet that only solidifies the existence of a creator, not discounts it. From Darwin, to Dawkins to Krause they are all acknowledging this.
I can give hundreds of examples of why creation the only logical scientific explanation if you like. Dedfukinsrs
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05-07-2024, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted By M3lony⏩
I don’t believe in religion, I believe in God, Jesus Christ the creator of all things not because I want to feel good about myself, life was pretty damn pleasurable as an atheist let me tell you. I believe because all evidence points to a creator, & all experiences throughout my life only solidified that reality.
People see what they want to see, its a matter of interpretation. No suprise also that less developed countries are in average more religious.
People believe in religion because its human nature to seek out guidance and follow, they need structure. Questioning their existence, the meaning of life, death, with no real answers brings uncertainty, induces anxiety, chaos in the mind. Religion is literally cope.
Apart from that most people are also born into religion, brainwashed by their parents and their culture, they never had a chance to choose.
People believe in religion because its human nature to seek out guidance and follow, they need structure. Questioning their existence, the meaning of life, death, with no real answers brings uncertainty, induces anxiety, chaos in the mind. Religion is literally cope.
Apart from that most people are also born into religion, brainwashed by their parents and their culture, they never had a chance to choose.
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05-07-2024, 11:05 AM
#76
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
how do you know earth is the only planet that is inhabitable by man? thats almost for sure untrue.
You just proved the point..trillions of planets yet only one inhabitable by man & species.
Maestro made the argument of god of the gaps, but the truth is what we consistently discover in science at an exponential rate is the fine tuning of our universe & life upon this planet that only solidifies the existence of a creator, not discounts it. From Darwin, to Dawkins to Krause they are all acknowledging this.
I can give hundreds of examples of why creation the only logical scientific explanation if you like. Dedfukinsrs
Maestro made the argument of god of the gaps, but the truth is what we consistently discover in science at an exponential rate is the fine tuning of our universe & life upon this planet that only solidifies the existence of a creator, not discounts it. From Darwin, to Dawkins to Krause they are all acknowledging this.
I can give hundreds of examples of why creation the only logical scientific explanation if you like. Dedfukinsrs
what makes man so important? why are you and moses the jew more important than some random star wars alien in the next galaxy? or how about even the lifeforms that came before man for the majority of complex life on this planet? why are you more important than a trilobite to god?
believe what you want boyo, i dont want it to sound like i want to prevent you from being a christian, but just stop passing off your bibical verses as some scientific fact. the real fact here is that the bible you worship, at least the old testament, was written by some sand dwelling retards who didnt know that the earth was round.
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05-07-2024, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
how do you know earth is the only planet that is inhabitable by man? thats almost for sure untrue.
believe what you want boyo, i dont want it to sound like i want to prevent you from being a christian, but just stop passing off your bibical verses as some scientific fact. the real fact here is that the bible you worship, at least the old testament, was written by some sand dwelling retards who didnt know that the earth was round.
believe what you want boyo, i dont want it to sound like i want to prevent you from being a christian, but just stop passing off your bibical verses as some scientific fact. the real fact here is that the bible you worship, at least the old testament, was written by some sand dwelling retards who didnt know that the earth was round.
They also were probably semi to fully illiterate. The average 6th grader would have read more books simply due to the availability of modern day.
05-07-2024, 11:30 AM
#78
Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
how do you know earth is the only planet that is inhabitable by man? thats almost for sure untrue.
what makes man so important? why are you and moses the jew more important than some random star wars alien in the next galaxy? or how about even the lifeforms that came before man for the majority of complex life on this planet? why are you more important than a trilobite to god?
believe what you want boyo, i dont want it to sound like i want to prevent you from being a christian, but just stop passing off your bibical verses as some scientific fact. the real fact here is that the bible you worship, at least the old testament, was written by some sand dwelling retards who didnt know that the earth was round.
what makes man so important? why are you and moses the jew more important than some random star wars alien in the next galaxy? or how about even the lifeforms that came before man for the majority of complex life on this planet? why are you more important than a trilobite to god?
believe what you want boyo, i dont want it to sound like i want to prevent you from being a christian, but just stop passing off your bibical verses as some scientific fact. the real fact here is that the bible you worship, at least the old testament, was written by some sand dwelling retards who didnt know that the earth was round.
We know these things again because of the precise fine tuning of our particular solar system & planet…which I am happy to get into.
And you made another fallacy..the Bible/Torah states the earth is a sphere & hangs on nothing, & the universe had a beginning..science was late to the game as always only confining the Word of agog centuries upon centuries later. When every other religion & philosophical intellectuals believed otherwise. The Greeks believed it was held up by Atlas, the Hindus on the back
Of a tortoise.
The Hebrew word in question when it states "circle" in Job is khûg (חוּג) which is also found in Job 22:14 where, in many Bible versions, it is translated ‘vault’. For example, the New American Standard Bible reads, “Clouds are a hiding place for Him, so that He cannot see; and He walks on the vault of heaven.” Clearly ‘vault’ carries the sense of something three-dimensional and is given as the primary meaning of khûg in the well-known Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon. In modern Hebrew, a sphere is denoted by khûg, along with kaddur, galgal, and mazzal. In Arabic (another Semitic language), kura means ball and is the word used in the Van Dyck-Boustani Arabic Bible (1865) to translate khûg in Isaiah 40:22"
"The Hebrew word for “circle” here is KHUG (Strong’s 2329) which refers to a “circle or sphere” and is also used to describe the arched dome-like shape of the sky (Prov. 8:27; Job. 22:14)."
SABIBOT is the Word for circle disc.
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05-07-2024, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Actually at least a Greek scholar got damn close to calculating the size of the sphere Earth was.
We know these things again because of the precise fine tuning of our particular solar system & planet…which I am happy to get into.
And you made another fallacy..the Bible/Torah states the earth is a sphere & hangs on nothing, & the universe had a beginning..science was late to the game as always only confining the Word of agog centuries upon centuries later. When every other religion & philosophical intellectuals believed otherwise. The Greeks believed it was held up by Atlas ….
And you made another fallacy..the Bible/Torah states the earth is a sphere & hangs on nothing, & the universe had a beginning..science was late to the game as always only confining the Word of agog centuries upon centuries later. When every other religion & philosophical intellectuals believed otherwise. The Greeks believed it was held up by Atlas ….
“Measurement of Earth's circumference
Main article: Earth's circumference § Eratosthenes
Measure of Earth's circumference according to Cleomedes' simplified version, based on the approximation that Syene is on the Tropic of Cancer and on the same meridian as Alexandria
The measurement of Earth's circumference is the most famous among the results obtained by Eratosthenes,[13] who estimated that the meridian has a length of 252,000 stadia (39,060 to 40,320 kilometres (24,270 to 25,050 mi)), with an error on the real value between −2.4% and +0.8% (assuming a value for the stadion between 155 and 160 metres (509 and 525 ft)).[2] Eratosthenes described his arc measurement technique,[14] in a book entitled On the measure of the Earth, which has not been preserved. However, a simplified version of the method has been preserved, as described by Cleomedes.[15]
The simplified method works by considering two cities along the same meridian and measuring both the distance between them and the difference in angles of the shadows cast by the sun on a vertical rod (a gnomon) in each city at noon on the summer solstice. The two cities used were Alexandria and Syene (modern Aswan), and the distance between the cities was measured by professional bematists.[16] A geometric calculation reveals that the circumference of the Earth is the distance between the two cities divided by the difference in shadow angles expressed as a fraction of one turn.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes - this was 250 years before the Bible.
05-07-2024, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
This was AFTER the book of Job, & Greek scholars believed the universe was eternal..& held up on the back of Atlas .
Actually at least a Greek scholar got damn close to calculating the size of the sphere Earth was.
“Measurement of Earth's circumference
Main article: Earth's circumference § Eratosthenes
Measure of Earth's circumference according to Cleomedes' simplified version, based on the approximation that Syene is on the Tropic of Cancer and on the same meridian as Alexandria
The measurement of Earth's circumference is the most famous among the results obtained by Eratosthenes,[13] who estimated that the meridian has a length of 252,000 stadia (39,060 to 40,320 kilometres (24,270 to 25,050 mi)), with an error on the real value between −2.4% and +0.8% (assuming a value for the stadion between 155 and 160 metres (509 and 525 ft)).[2] Eratosthenes described his arc measurement technique,[14] in a book entitled On the measure of the Earth, which has not been preserved. However, a simplified version of the method has been preserved, as described by Cleomedes.[15]
The simplified method works by considering two cities along the same meridian and measuring both the distance between them and the difference in angles of the shadows cast by the sun on a vertical rod (a gnomon) in each city at noon on the summer solstice. The two cities used were Alexandria and Syene (modern Aswan), and the distance between the cities was measured by professional bematists.[16] A geometric calculation reveals that the circumference of the Earth is the distance between the two cities divided by the difference in shadow angles expressed as a fraction of one turn.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes - this was 250 years before the Bible.
“Measurement of Earth's circumference
Main article: Earth's circumference § Eratosthenes
Measure of Earth's circumference according to Cleomedes' simplified version, based on the approximation that Syene is on the Tropic of Cancer and on the same meridian as Alexandria
The measurement of Earth's circumference is the most famous among the results obtained by Eratosthenes,[13] who estimated that the meridian has a length of 252,000 stadia (39,060 to 40,320 kilometres (24,270 to 25,050 mi)), with an error on the real value between −2.4% and +0.8% (assuming a value for the stadion between 155 and 160 metres (509 and 525 ft)).[2] Eratosthenes described his arc measurement technique,[14] in a book entitled On the measure of the Earth, which has not been preserved. However, a simplified version of the method has been preserved, as described by Cleomedes.[15]
The simplified method works by considering two cities along the same meridian and measuring both the distance between them and the difference in angles of the shadows cast by the sun on a vertical rod (a gnomon) in each city at noon on the summer solstice. The two cities used were Alexandria and Syene (modern Aswan), and the distance between the cities was measured by professional bematists.[16] A geometric calculation reveals that the circumference of the Earth is the distance between the two cities divided by the difference in shadow angles expressed as a fraction of one turn.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes - this was 250 years before the Bible.
I do hope you understand how our timeline works..
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05-07-2024, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
This is calculating it’s size - he even knew the poles were cold and the center was warm. It’s a total misstatement of history to pretend people didn’t know the earth was round. Hell, the ancient Babylonians had rather sophisted astronomy.
This was AFTER the book of Job, & Greek scholars believed the universe was eternal..& held up on the back of Atlas .
What does this prove anyway? The Torah/Bible are some great work of science? So, what two of every animal can fit on a boat and this provides a viable gene pool? The Earth is 6k years old? Even though we - literally - see evolution in front of us every day, that’s all fake?
This is losing hill to die on.
05-07-2024, 12:35 PM
#82
Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Again..the shape of the earth was revealed in Job, before any ancient known writings, the fact that it homing on nothing, the fact that the universe is not eternal & had a beginning…the Bible does not go into the exact size of the earth because the Bible is not a scientific book, & it only validates what science discovered later..never the contrast. The Bible also doesn’t talk about the precise number of atoms in the human body..so what, that is not the intent of the Word.
This is calculating it’s size - he even knew the poles were cold and the center was warm. It’s a total misstatement of history to pretend people didn’t know the earth was round. Hell, the ancient Babylonians had rather sophisted astronomy.
What does this prove anyway? The Torah/Bible are some great work of science? So, what two of every animal can fit on a boat and this provides a viable gene pool? The Earth is 6k years old? Even though we - literally - see evolution in front of us every day, that’s all fake?
This is losing hill to die on.
What does this prove anyway? The Torah/Bible are some great work of science? So, what two of every animal can fit on a boat and this provides a viable gene pool? The Earth is 6k years old? Even though we - literally - see evolution in front of us every day, that’s all fake?
This is losing hill to die on.
Also no where in the Bible does it claim the earth is 6 thousand yrs old..cite it. People make that connection because the age of Adam & Eve, but forget that man was created with age. If we saw Adam on the first day of creation we would hypothesize that he was 25-30 yrs old, when in reality he was only one day old.
I was an atheist for the majority of my life, I know all the arguments better than you, but I appreciate the dialog. Srs
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05-07-2024, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
That is not true but I hear it is common for religious people to believe that their holy book is the only knowledge they need.
wrong. The Bible states the earth is a sphere that hangs on nothing, when all scientists and cultures believed otherwise
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
The Pyramid was here long before the Greeks and the bible.
Actually at least a Greek scholar got damn close to calculating the size of the sphere Earth was.
“Measurement of Earth's circumference
Main article: Earth's circumference § Eratosthenes
Measure of Earth's circumference according to Cleomedes' simplified version, based on the approximation that Syene is on the Tropic of Cancer and on the same meridian as Alexandria
The measurement of Earth's circumference is the most famous among the results obtained by Eratosthenes,[13] who estimated that the meridian has a length of 252,000 stadia (39,060 to 40,320 kilometres (24,270 to 25,050 mi)), with an error on the real value between −2.4% and +0.8% (assuming a value for the stadion between 155 and 160 metres (509 and 525 ft)).[2] Eratosthenes described his arc measurement technique,[14] in a book entitled On the measure of the Earth, which has not been preserved. However, a simplified version of the method has been preserved, as described by Cleomedes.[15]
The simplified method works by considering two cities along the same meridian and measuring both the distance between them and the difference in angles of the shadows cast by the sun on a vertical rod (a gnomon) in each city at noon on the summer solstice. The two cities used were Alexandria and Syene (modern Aswan), and the distance between the cities was measured by professional bematists.[16] A geometric calculation reveals that the circumference of the Earth is the distance between the two cities divided by the difference in shadow angles expressed as a fraction of one turn.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes - this was 250 years before the Bible.
“Measurement of Earth's circumference
Main article: Earth's circumference § Eratosthenes
Measure of Earth's circumference according to Cleomedes' simplified version, based on the approximation that Syene is on the Tropic of Cancer and on the same meridian as Alexandria
The measurement of Earth's circumference is the most famous among the results obtained by Eratosthenes,[13] who estimated that the meridian has a length of 252,000 stadia (39,060 to 40,320 kilometres (24,270 to 25,050 mi)), with an error on the real value between −2.4% and +0.8% (assuming a value for the stadion between 155 and 160 metres (509 and 525 ft)).[2] Eratosthenes described his arc measurement technique,[14] in a book entitled On the measure of the Earth, which has not been preserved. However, a simplified version of the method has been preserved, as described by Cleomedes.[15]
The simplified method works by considering two cities along the same meridian and measuring both the distance between them and the difference in angles of the shadows cast by the sun on a vertical rod (a gnomon) in each city at noon on the summer solstice. The two cities used were Alexandria and Syene (modern Aswan), and the distance between the cities was measured by professional bematists.[16] A geometric calculation reveals that the circumference of the Earth is the distance between the two cities divided by the difference in shadow angles expressed as a fraction of one turn.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes - this was 250 years before the Bible.
The Pyramid is a measurement device(among other things) that can be used to get the circumference of the Earth.
"As Above So Below" "Marriage of Heaven and Earth" Egypt is a reflection of the Heavens.
The Great Pyramid was built on latitude 30° and is 3/60th of a degree of true north.
If you scale the Great Pyramid up by 43,200 you get the dimensions of the planet from the sphere contained within.
43,200 is not a random number.
The precession refers to the wobble of the Earth.
The Great Year refers to a completion of this precession which takes 25,920 years. That is 1° every 72 years.
Ancient Egyptians were obsessed with the Equinox but also the constellation of stars which "housed the Sun". This is known as Astrological Age.
Each Astrological Age takes 2160 years, each cycle affects mankind in different ways. We are currently in the Age of Pisces(Age of the Fish/Christianity) but will soon be transitioning into the Age of Aquarius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_age
Now more math with now familiar numbers
72(years per degree or precession) x 30(latitude of construction) = 2160(Astrological Age single cycle)
12(number of Astrological Ages) x 2160 = 25920(The Great Year)
72 x 360(degrees in a circle) = 25,920
72 x 600(???) = 43,200(scale of Pyramid to Earth)
12 is considered a perfect number in Abrahamic religion
12 Sons of Jacob
12 Tribes of Israel
12 Apostles of Jesus
The 144,000
72 Virgins
I can go on forever but I want to wrap this up with one final piece
12 = 1+2 = 3
600 = 6+0+0 = 6
72 = 7+2 = 9
25,920 = 2+5+9+2+0 = 18 = 1+8 = 9
Try the rest of the numbers.
The reason you see pyramid/triangle shapes all over the world is because of 3, 6 and 9.
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05-07-2024, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
“Planetary theory
Again..the shape of the earth was revealed in Job, before any ancient known writings, the fact that it homing on nothing, the fact that the universe is not eternal & had a beginning…the Bible does not go into the exact size of the earth because the Bible is not a scientific book, & it only validates what science discovered later..never the contrast. The Bible also doesn’t talk about the precise number of atoms in the human body..so what, that is not the intent of the Word.
Also no where in the Bible does it claim the earth is 6 thousand yrs old..cite it. People make that connection because the age of Adam & Eve, but forget that man was created with age. If we saw Adam on the first day of creation we would hypothesize that he was 25-30 yrs old, when in reality he was only one day old.
I was an atheist for the majority of my life, I know all the arguments better than you, but I appreciate the dialog. Srs
Also no where in the Bible does it claim the earth is 6 thousand yrs old..cite it. People make that connection because the age of Adam & Eve, but forget that man was created with age. If we saw Adam on the first day of creation we would hypothesize that he was 25-30 yrs old, when in reality he was only one day old.
I was an atheist for the majority of my life, I know all the arguments better than you, but I appreciate the dialog. Srs
The Babylonians were the first civilization known to possess a functional theory of the planets.[9] The oldest surviving planetary astronomical text is the Babylonian Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, a 7th-century BC copy of a list of observations of the motions of the planet Venus that probably dates as early as the second millennium BC. The Babylonian astrologers also laid the foundations of what would eventually become Western astrology.[10] The Enuma anu enlil, written during the Neo-Assyrian period in the 7th century BC,[11] comprises a list of omens and their relationships with various celestial phenomena including the motions of the planets.[12]”
05-07-2024, 01:18 PM
#85
Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
“Planetary theory
The Babylonians were the first civilization known to possess a functional theory of the planets.[9] The oldest surviving planetary astronomical text is the Babylonian Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, a 7th-century BC copy of a list of observations of the motions of the planet Venus that probably dates as early as the second millennium BC. The Babylonian astrologers also laid the foundations of what would eventually become Western astrology.[10] The Enuma anu enlil, written during the Neo-Assyrian period in the 7th century BC,[11] comprises a list of omens and their relationships with various celestial phenomena including the motions of the planets.[12]”
The Babylonians were the first civilization known to possess a functional theory of the planets.[9] The oldest surviving planetary astronomical text is the Babylonian Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, a 7th-century BC copy of a list of observations of the motions of the planet Venus that probably dates as early as the second millennium BC. The Babylonian astrologers also laid the foundations of what would eventually become Western astrology.[10] The Enuma anu enlil, written during the Neo-Assyrian period in the 7th century BC,[11] comprises a list of omens and their relationships with various celestial phenomena including the motions of the planets.[12]”
Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
just lol
That is an astrolabe, or "star-taker". They say the astrolabe was invented by the Greeks, specifically Hipparchus.
I say that is a god damn lie.
That is the MUL.APIN and the original astrolabe which were both created in Mesopotamia.
The Enuma-Anu-Enlil or "EAE" are a collection of about 70 tablets which make up a star-catalog.
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/
That is a link to translated tablets.
Arm yourself, you're naked.
That is an astrolabe, or "star-taker". They say the astrolabe was invented by the Greeks, specifically Hipparchus.
I say that is a god damn lie.
That is the MUL.APIN and the original astrolabe which were both created in Mesopotamia.
The Enuma-Anu-Enlil or "EAE" are a collection of about 70 tablets which make up a star-catalog.
http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/
That is a link to translated tablets.
Arm yourself, you're naked.
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05-07-2024, 01:21 PM
#86
Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Again, Job was before or rather is known to have come out of the Babylonian empire with many scholars predating him beforehand, so that copypasta doesn’t really hold weight.
“Planetary theory
The Babylonians were the first civilization known to possess a functional theory of the planets.[9] The oldest surviving planetary astronomical text is the Babylonian Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, a 7th-century BC copy of a list of observations of the motions of the planet Venus that probably dates as early as the second millennium BC. The Babylonian astrologers also laid the foundations of what would eventually become Western astrology.[10] The Enuma anu enlil, written during the Neo-Assyrian period in the 7th century BC,[11] comprises a list of omens and their relationships with various celestial phenomena including the motions of the planets.[12]”
The Babylonians were the first civilization known to possess a functional theory of the planets.[9] The oldest surviving planetary astronomical text is the Babylonian Venus tablet of Ammisaduqa, a 7th-century BC copy of a list of observations of the motions of the planet Venus that probably dates as early as the second millennium BC. The Babylonian astrologers also laid the foundations of what would eventually become Western astrology.[10] The Enuma anu enlil, written during the Neo-Assyrian period in the 7th century BC,[11] comprises a list of omens and their relationships with various celestial phenomena including the motions of the planets.[12]”
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05-07-2024, 01:34 PM
#87
Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Babylonian astronomy is almost certainly far older, but even if it was roughly just contemporary you now seem to be arguing that is was common knowledge at that time in that area of the world.
Again, Job was before or rather is known to have come out of the Babylonian empire with many scholars predating him beforehand, so that copypasta doesn’t really hold weight.
05-07-2024, 01:37 PM
#88
Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Never once did I claim that, what have you been reading? The notion that Job must have been written during the 5th century BC is from the time 200 years ago when the earliest known ancient writing we had was the Moabite Stone of Mesha, from about the 7th or 8th century B.C. Therefore, everyone living before that had to be illiterate ignorant people, still evolving perhaps, if you believe that and certainly not literate or sophisticated. That thinking went out the window as archaeology developed through the 19th century, and we now know that the art of writing goes back about 7 or 8 thousand years, where it began abruptly. And, that means the books of the Old Testament were most likely written by the men whose names they bear, and there is no reason to believe otherwise
Babylonian astronomy is almost certainly far older, but even if it was roughly just contemporary you now seem to be arguing that is was common knowledge at that time in that area of the world.
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05-07-2024, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul Kreul⏩
Never once did I claim that, what have you been reading? The notion that Job must have been written during the 5th century BC is from the time 200 years ago when the earliest known ancient writing we had was the Moabite Stone of Mesha, from about the 7th or 8th century B.C. Therefore, everyone living before that had to be illiterate ignorant people, still evolving perhaps, if you believe that and certainly not literate or sophisticated. That thinking went out the window as archaeology developed through the 19th century, and we now know that the art of writing goes back about 7 or 8 thousand years, where it began abruptly. And, that means the books of the Old Testament were most likely written by the men whose names they bear, and there is no reason to believe otherwise
Again, not true, lol.
Where Did Writing Come From?
The earliest known writing was invented there around 3400 B.C. in an area called Sumer near the Persian Gulf. The development of a Sumerian script was influenced by local materials: clay for tablets and reeds for styluses (writing tools).
https://www.getty.edu/news/where-did-writing-come-from/
Not only could Sumerians write, they also invented the printer using cylinder seals rolled against a soft surface, Morgan Seal 773:
Yes that is what you think it is lol.
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05-07-2024, 01:59 PM
#90
Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
And Job predates that..in which speaks of the spherical of the earth/planets
Again, not true, lol.
Where Did Writing Come From?
The earliest known writing was invented there around 3400 B.C. in an area called Sumer near the Persian Gulf. The development of a Sumerian script was influenced by local materials: clay for tablets and reeds for styluses (writing tools).
https://www.getty.edu/news/where-did-writing-come-from/
Not only could Sumerians write, they also invented the printer using cylinder seals rolled against a soft surface, Morgan Seal 773:
Where Did Writing Come From?
The earliest known writing was invented there around 3400 B.C. in an area called Sumer near the Persian Gulf. The development of a Sumerian script was influenced by local materials: clay for tablets and reeds for styluses (writing tools).
https://www.getty.edu/news/where-did-writing-come-from/
Not only could Sumerians write, they also invented the printer using cylinder seals rolled against a soft surface, Morgan Seal 773:
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