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post 1698880933 03-07-2024, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Like I said when you posted it. The control group is incorrect for the inference you're trying to draw.

It did not show an increase with gender affirming care in the with gender dysphoria.
That does not matter. It showed those with gender dysphoria have a higher suicide and depression rate than that of the general public & placing them on hormone Thearpy or undergoing operation only increased their suicide rate & depression.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Still wondering
Because the drugs are being used to treat the symptoms and not the cause..as with most all modern day drugs.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Because the drugs are being used to treat the symptoms and not the cause..as with most all modern day drugs.
That's different from men on TRT and women on HRT?
post 1698881263 03-07-2024, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's different from men on TRT and women on HRT?
Men’s test levels drop naturally with age, most are on TRT to bring up from a low level not trying to change their gender.

Different applications
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Originally Posted By Paul
That does not matter. It showed those with gender dysphoria have a higher suicide and depression rate than that of the general public & placing them on hormone Thearpy or undergoing operation only increased their suicide rate & depression.
Of course it matters.

The study you posted shows that people with gender dysphoria are an at-risk group for depression and suicide relative to those without gender dysphoria.

Other work shows that gender affirming care lowers the risk of depression and suicide in those with gender dysphoria.

You are claiming that gender affirming care in those with gender dysphoria is associated withhigherrisk of depression and suicide.

You have not provided support for the claim.

Rather, you and others have stated that testosterone (in particular) is a universally effective anti-depressant. But, you do not feel those with gender dysphoria should have access to (the same doses of) testosterone because.....reasons.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Men’s test levels drop naturally with age, most are on TRT to bring up from a low level not trying to change their gender.

Different applications
Same drugs.

Same doses.

Same risks.

Same benefits.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Of course it matters.

The study you posted shows that people with gender dysphoria are an at-risk group for depression and suicide relative to those without gender dysphoria.

Other work shows that gender affirming care lowers the risk of depression and suicide in those with gender dysphoria.

You are claiming that gender affirming care in those with gender dysphoria is associated withhigherrisk of depression and suicide.

You have not provided support for the claim.

Rather, you and others have stated that testosterone (in particular) is a universally effective anti-depressant. But, you do not feel those with gender dysphoria should have access to (the same doses of) testosterone because.....reasons.
Once again.. That does not matter. It showed those with gender dysphoria have a higher suicide and depression rate than that of the general public & placing them on hormone Thearpy or undergoing operation only increased their suicide rate & depression to that of the general public. The conclusion would be to treat the gender dysphoria with mental Thearpy not affirm it with drugs that put you in a elevated synthetic form of pleasure..
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Originally Posted By Paul
Once again.. That does not matter. It showed those with gender dysphoria have a higher suicide and depression rate than that of the general public & placing them on hormone Thearpy or undergoing operation only increased their suicide rate & depression to that of the general public. The conclusion would be to treat the gender dysphoria with mental Thearpy not affirm it with drugs that put you in a elevated synthetic form of pleasure..
Of course supporting the claim matters.

You are completely misrepresenting the study and its findings.

Why is okay for men on TRT (same "drugs") to be in an "elevated synthetic form of pleasure" (whatever that's supposed to mean)?

You previously attributed all benefit from gender affirming care on mental health to hormone therapy.

Now hormone therapy makes mental health worse?
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Doctors admit link between transgender hormone therapy and cancer in leaked emails

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/doct...070000223.html

“The WPATH Files show that what is called ‘gender medicine’ is neither science nor medicine,” he said.

“The experiments are not randomised, double-blind, or controlled. It’s not medicine since the first rule is to do no harm. And that requires informed consent.

“Activist members of WPATH know that the so-called ‘gender-affirming care’ they provide can result in life-long complications and sterility and that their patients do not understand the implications, such as loss of sexual function and the ability to experience orgasm.

“These leaked files show overwhelming evidence that the professionals within WPATH know that they are not getting consent from children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults, or their caregivers.”
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Of course supporting the claim matters.

You are completely misrepresenting the study and its findings.

Why is okay for men on TRT (same "drugs") to be in an "elevated synthetic form of pleasure" (whatever that's supposed to mean)?
Because gender dysphoria is a mental condition that should be treated with psychiatric help and not affirmed with synthetic drugs that alter mood.

I don’t consider men that are on TRT to be mentally disturbed
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Doctors admit link between transgender hormone therapy and cancer in leaked emails

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/doct...070000223.html

“The WPATH Files show that what is called ‘gender medicine’ is neither science nor medicine,” he said.

“The experiments are not randomised, double-blind, or controlled. It’s not medicine since the first rule is to do no harm. And that requires informed consent.

“Activist members of WPATH know that the so-called ‘gender-affirming care’ they provide can result in life-long complications and sterility and that their patients do not understand the implications, such as loss of sexual function and the ability to experience orgasm.

“These leaked files show overwhelming evidence that the professionals within WPATH know that they are not getting consent from children, adolescents, and vulnerable adults, or their caregivers.”
Taking hormones comes with risks - for everyone.
post 1698882283 03-07-2024, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Taking hormones comes with risks - for everyone.
But your average male or female using hormone Thearpy is not using to justify a disturbed mental condition
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Originally Posted By Paul
But your average male or female using hormone Thearpy is not using to justify a disturbed mental condition
If that's the basis of your opposition, that's fine by me.

I disagree and don't think anyone is trying to justify anything. But, I acknowledge everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
If that's the basis of your opposition, that's fine by me.

I disagree and don't think anyone is trying to justify anything. But, I acknowledge everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
Of course they are trying to justify their conditions, we see that with the so called treatments being offered. They affirm their condition rather than treat their condition
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Taking hormones comes with risks - for everyone.
So maybe those who want to take them, should wait till they're 18 years old?
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Originally Posted By Paul
Of course they are trying to justify their conditions, we see that with the so called treatments being offered. They affirm their condition rather than treat their condition
Here, there are screening and counseling/therapy requirements before GAHT. These are all treatments.

The T in GAHT stands for "therapy".

Affirming =/= justifying
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
So maybe those who want to take them, should wait till they're 18 years old?
Maybe!
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Here, there are screening and counseling/therapy requirements before GAHT. These are all treatments.

The T in GAHT stands for "therapy".

Affirming =/= justifying
But the drugs enhance mood, by their very nature they are justifying a mental condition..that’s the point.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Here, there are screening and counseling/therapy requirements before GAHT. These are all treatments.

The T in GAHT stands for "therapy".

Affirming =/= justifying
I don’t know where “here” is but that is not the case in the US..
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Originally Posted By Paul
But the drugs enhance mood, by their very nature they are justifying a mental condition..that’s the point.




Affirmation has been demonstrated to be an effective treatment for gender dysphoria.

Denial has not been demonstrated to be an effective treatment for gender dysphoria.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I don’t know where “here” is but that is not the case in the US..
Canada.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
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See 2c.

Thank you for proving the point.

Edit-of your first link..stop editing your posts.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Canada.
lol, no wonder.
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Originally Posted By Paul
See 2c.

Thank you for proving the point.

Edit-of your first link..stop editing your posts.
"Archaic"



Doesn't seem like something a physician can do, but doesn't seem too bad either. Do you think people should be punished rather than forgiven for having a mental condition?

Current treatments work much better than conversion therapy.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
"Archaic"



Doesn't seem like something a physician can do, but doesn't seem too bad either. Do you think people should be punished rather than forgiven for having a mental condition?

Current treatments work much better than conversion therapy.
2c-Absolve


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Originally Posted By Paul
2c-Absolve
Yes. That's what it means (the definition I posted is the same) and I don't think it's fitting. How can a physician remove blame or forgive a patient?

You feel people should be blamed and/or punished for having a mental condition?

Conversion therapy has some pretty terrible outcomes.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Maybe!
But your argument is that if they wait that long, they might kill themselves.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
But your argument is that if they wait that long, they might kill themselves.
Nope
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Yes. That's what it means (the definition I posted is the same) and I don't think it's fitting. How can a physician remove blame or forgive a patient?

You feel people should be blamed and/or punished for having a mental condition?

Conversion therapy has some pretty terrible outcomes.
Red Herring.
Never once did I say physician although most that are performing these surgeries are doing it without proper treatment of the child first ie: psychiatric help.

The drugs themselves absolve suicidal thoughts & depression as they have shown to do.
So once again, prescribing drugs to cover the symptoms is not addressing the cause.

Believing that a person needs to be given drugs that chemically castrate themselves in order for them not to commit suicide is absurd
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Originally Posted By Paul
Red Herring.
Never once did I say physician although most that are performing these surgeries are doing it without proper treatment of the child first ie: psychiatric help.

The drugs themselves absolve suicidal thoughts & depression as they have shown to do.
So once again, prescribing drugs to cover the symptoms is not addressing the cause.
You said providing GAHT justifies a mental illness, then defined justification as meaning to absolve.

As shown in the definitions above, absolve is an archaic use of justify. Regardless, absolve means to remove blame or forgive.

Physicians prescribe and administer GAHT. Their profession does not function to remove blame nor to forgive. They do not absolve nor justify their patients' conditions.
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