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10-13-2021, 11:27 AM
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Picked up ALLO lw on its drop, just sold for a decent gain. May be too early but I’ll take it.

Picked up ML, SGFY and T this morning.
I probably banged your mom.

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10-13-2021, 11:29 AM
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10-13-2021, 11:30 AM
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Too low of % imo

Looking for 5+%

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Long term….5%….be careful boo. Indicator that it may get cut and may not hold.
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10-13-2021, 12:20 PM
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GDXJ gonna rocket ! Gold miners unite!
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10-13-2021, 12:31 PM
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U brahs realize that Monster beverage has a market cap of $45b, and Dutch Bros could potentially run the fuarkin table within energy drink market share?

I mean seriously.
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10-13-2021, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted By dopamine72
Too low of % imo

Looking for 5+%

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IIRC, VZ has 5% dividend yield but a very good payout ratio. For example, T has a higher dividend yield (like 7-8%) but much higher payout ratio (at least last time I did this analysis). High dividend is never necessarily a good thing, especially for companies without enough free cash flow to support their dividend or do not have strong long-term growth prospects

MSFT only has a 0.8% dividend yield, but they will probably grow that dividend more than Marlboro will… do you need the free cash flow paid out to you (dividend) or can you settle with share appreciation? Getting at the heart of the question… why do people want dividends in the first place (as opposed to just maximizing net return)? Never understood this mindset - even if I were completely retired, I'd be fine having my money entirely in the S&P 500 and selling shares whenever I need cashflow rather than relying on dividends for the same cashflow (like… its just accounting, who cares if the money came to you in the form of a dividend or share appreciation?)
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10-13-2021, 12:47 PM
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too low of % imo

looking for 5+%

grabbing bkcc
bti, mo, ohi, t

BKCC looks really good actually ..I just have a divident ETf - SPYD
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10-13-2021, 01:16 PM
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Y'all are overreacting to this inflation lmao.

For over 100 years now, "economists" have been warning about impending doom regarding inflation. Nearly every finance/investing book published in the last 50 years raises an alarm. Even Buffett had publicly written about how inflation robs everyone, including investors.

Well, the USA is still #1. Our collective quality of life is at ATH's.

Yes, there are booms & busts, but the overall trajectory is significantly upwards.

Median net worth has gone up A LOT in the last 2 years, so why shouldn't prices?

Don't like rising prices - then stop buying a ton of pointless chit.

The other week at home depot they were selling these 10'x12' wooden landscape frames for $15,000. I LMAO'd at the thought of anyone dumb enough to buy that chit.
New hot take: empires last forever

Seriously wrong on "Well, the USA is still #1. Our collective quality of life is at ATH's" though.
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10-13-2021, 01:19 PM
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New hot take: empires last forever

Seriously wrong on "Well, the USA is still #1. Our collective quality of life is at ATH's" though.
GDP is prolly gonna slow. Look at the NIKKEI Japanese index. Basically has done nothing..Their debt to GDP is even higher than ours
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10-13-2021, 01:41 PM
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Solid gainers today

ALLO (fda hold, could go back to its normal levels, still has potential but risky, I got in and out today but will be watching it)


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10-13-2021, 02:10 PM
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GDP is prolly gonna slow. Look at the NIKKEI Japanese index. Basically has done nothing..Their debt to GDP is even higher than ours
Japan's debt should not be our model lmao. We should also consider they actually build things over there. Take a look at the country of origin label on your printer, microwave, TV, car, etc., how much of that is Japan or China? Not to say that an import economy is inherently bad, but its just another sign of our weakening economy.

The whole deal with "kicking the can down the road" with debt and inflation is the naive ponzi belief that technological growth will be able to always sustain our limitless consumption/spending. Over the last hundred years, mass communication, jet aircraft technology, automobile technology, computing, electronics, and so on have carried us. Now, transistor scaling has met its limit, quantum computing and general AI won't be implemented for another 10-20 years at minimum, and energy demands are skyrocketing with little improvements to energy output efficiency or sources/supply- the digital revolution is stagnating. Where are the breakthroughs in technology that have allowed us to be more productive in the past? Where is the combustion engine of this generation? Rocketry? Nuclear engineering? The Internet? Synthetic fertilizers and GMOs?

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10-13-2021, 02:13 PM
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GDP is prolly gonna slow. Look at the NIKKEI Japanese index. Basically has done nothing..Their debt to GDP is even higher than ours
Is this even true? Looks like the annual return (including dividend re-investment) is ~15% over the past 10 years for the NIKKEI Index. I've heard this tidbit before about how Japanese stocks have remained flat… but idk

https://dqydj.com/nikkei-return-calculator/

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Japan's debt should not be our model lmao. We should also consider they actually build things over there. Take a look at the country of origin label on your printer, microwave, TV, car, etc., how much of that is Japan or China? Not to say that an import economy is inherently bad, but its just another sign of our weakening economy.

The whole deal with "kicking the can down the road" with debt and inflation is the naive ponzi belief that technological growth will be able to always sustain our limitless consumption/spending. Over the last hundred years, mass communication, jet aircraft technology, automobile technology, computing, electronics, and so on have carried us. Now, transistor scaling has met its limit, quantum computing and general AI won't be implemented for another 10-20 years at minimum, and energy demands are skyrocketing with little improvements to energy output efficiency or sources/supply- the digital revolution is stagnating. Where are the breakthroughs in technology that have allowed us to be more productive in the past? Where is the combustion engine of this generation? Rocketry? Nuclear engineering? The Internet? Synthetic fertilizers and GMOs?

Cliffs: its over for humancels
we still have technological break throughs, mostly in the internet space. Cloud computing is definitely a breakthrough in the past ~5 years and is one of the highest level drivers of the current stock market. We should have transistor technology measured in angstroms (not nm) in the next 5 years. Plus theres lots of innovation going on with wearables and how they will use AI/cloud to do impressive chit. I'm pretty optimistic for where technology is headed today, we will have a lot of breakthrough type innovations over the next 5-10 years, especially in virtualization type chit

pretty excited to use my HoloLens in the metaverse soon
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10-13-2021, 02:37 PM
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10-13-2021, 02:56 PM
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Seriously wrong on "Well, the USA is still #1. Our collective quality of life is at ATH's" though.
please show me when quality of life was better in the USA… lmao.

in b4 brainlet reply "1950"

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GDP is prolly gonna slow. Look at the NIKKEI Japanese index. Basically has done nothing..Their debt to GDP is even higher than ours
Japan has a reproduction problem: 1.39 children per woman (I think it's even less now).

Japan had 10 working people per senior in 1950, down to only 2 workers per senior today.

A shrinking working population is followed by shrinking economy.

This wouldn't be a problem if Japan was willing to take in younger immigrants, but they strongly oppose this idea.

It's a first world country that is shuffling it's feet into mediocrity. They are OK with it, because first world comfort equals less reproduction.

All first world nations suffer this fate, hence the uptake of immigrants to support the ageing population. USA is starting to fall into this boat with native residents, but we accept more immigrants to keep this bitch on the tracks into the future. The key is that we need to be more strict and keep the border open to STEMcels… not lawn mowers.

EDIT: the nordic nations are the only ones who have ben spared of this problem, because they have a stronger sense of nation with their fellow countrymen, and are geographically removed from chithole countries as far as immigration issues are concerned.
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10-13-2021, 04:05 PM
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10-13-2021, 04:08 PM
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Iwe still have technological break throughs, mostly in the internet space. Cloud computing is definitely a breakthrough in the past ~5 years and is one of the highest level drivers of the current stock market. We should have transistor technology measured in angstroms (not nm) in the next 5 years. Plus theres lots of innovation going on with wearables and how they will use AI/cloud to do impressive chit. I'm pretty optimistic for where technology is headed today, we will have a lot of breakthrough type innovations over the next 5-10 years, especially in virtualization type chit
Cloud computing is built directly off of the previous achievements of computing and electronics. It is an evolution at best, not a breakthrough. Same with transistors scaling, although I doubt we'll have angstroms or even 1 nm in 5 years. Intel can't even deliver on their new tech so I fail to see how they will be able to overcome the increasing R&D costs for the diminishing returns (inb4 more debt).

IoT and consumer electronics are a nice improvement to the standard of living and convenience but they don't revolutionize much. The sweet new tech gadget isn't going to make food cost any less and a 1 nm transistor on the market isn't going to make crude oil cost 10 times less. Unfortunately these advances don't drastically increase productivity in fields of manufacturing, medicine, agriculture, etc., and lead to new ages of prosperity and growth. Of course there's the argument that AI is going to solve all our problems any day now but I feel that it is drastically overhyped. Sure there are some neat implementations but the scope of AI is very limited with current technology and a lot of the futuristic end goals like fully autonomous self driving, robotic servants, scientific research assistance/automation, etc., are only at "senior project levels" of development and merely interesting prototypes to show off in controlled environments.

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please show me when quality of life was better in the USA… lmao.

in b4 brainlet reply "1950"
1950

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It's a first world country that is shuffling it's feet into mediocrity. They are OK with it, because first world comfort equals less reproduction.

All first world nations suffer this fate, hence the uptake of immigrants to support the ageing population. USA is starting to fall into this boat with native residents, but we accept more immigrants to keep this bitch on the tracks into the future. The key is that we need to be more strict and keep the border open to STEMcels… not lawn mowers.
Birth rates aren't decreasing because of comfort lmao. They're decreasing because of the cost of having a child. Intelligent people understand children need room to grow, mouths to feed, brains that need education, bodies that require healthcare, and can't work or produce anything. Developing countries do not have greatly increased costs from children, and in fact the children actually are a net positive in some instances because they help in agricultural communities or just straight up work via child labor. The reason the US isn't doing as poorly demographically is because we subsidize retard family "planning" in ghettos that involve fatherless children living in poverty.

Immigrants are neither the problem nor the solution. What we should do however is to cut benefits going to "lawn mowers" so they stop being a net negative on the tax system while still providing cheap low skilled labor for landscaping/gardening jobs and other physical work which many people/businesses rely on to keep costs low. In fact importing more STEMcels while 100 times the amount are created in the host countries which then compete on a remote market is hardly a logical fix.
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10-13-2021, 04:29 PM
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PLUG finally moved nicely. Been in since 9.53, saw $75. Lets get that back.

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10-13-2021, 04:42 PM
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Birth rates aren't decreasing because of comfort lmao. They're decreasing because of the cost of having a child. Intelligent people understand children need room to grow, mouths to feed, brains that need education, bodies that require healthcare, and can't work or produce anything. Developing countries do not have greatly increased costs from children, and in fact the children actually are a net positive in some instances because they help in agricultural communities or just straight up work via child labor. The reason the US isn't doing as poorly demographically is because we subsidize retard family "planning" in ghettos that involve fatherless children living in poverty.

Immigrants are neither the problem nor the solution. What we should do however is to cut benefits going to "lawn mowers" so they stop being a net negative on the tax system while still providing cheap low skilled labor for landscaping/gardening jobs and other physical work which many people/businesses rely on to keep costs low. In fact importing more STEMcels while 100 times the amount are created in the host countries which then compete on a remote market is hardly a logical fix.
I don't disagree with this for the most part.

Except that ABSOLUTELY 1st world women do not want to have kids. It has little to do with cost. If a woman spends 4 years on a degree, her world opens up to possibility outside of staying home and raising kids. These women could so easily afford it, but who tf wants to do that when u could live a wealthy life in the first world with a career.

Obv there are always exceptions, but statistically speaking the more educated the female population, the less likely they are to want a family.
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10-13-2021, 04:51 PM
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I don't disagree with this for the most part.

Except that ABSOLUTELY 1st world women do not want to have kids. It has little to do with cost. If a woman spends 4 years on a degree, her world opens up to possibility outside of staying home and raising kids. These women could so easily afford it, but who tf wants to do that when u could live a wealthy life in the first world with a career.

Obv there are always exceptions, but statistically speaking the more educated the female population, the less likely they are to want a family.
Do you think women actually want to work? In a perfect world the male would work for her and she would have all the free time in the world to hang out and gossip with her other female friends. In reality they are BOTH working and raising kids, and not by choice either.
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10-13-2021, 04:57 PM
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GDXJ gonna rocket ! Gold miners unite!
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U brahs realize that Monster beverage has a market cap of $45b, and Dutch Bros could potentially run the fuarkin table within energy drink market share?

I mean seriously.
Selling csp on bros. Praying for assignment.

What’s the energy drink angle? I know their energy drinks are the only thing I buy there, but are they going to can it?
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Getting at the heart of the question… why do people want dividends in the first place (as opposed to just maximizing net return)? Never understood this mindset - even if I were completely retired, I'd be fine having my money entirely in the S&P 500 and selling shares whenever I need cashflow rather than relying on dividends for the same cashflow (like… its just accounting, who cares if the money came to you in the form of a dividend or share appreciation?)
Completely agree. Will be subscribing to 7% rule in a few years and sell off 7% of my port every year for income. Will have enough for the next 40 years to live comfortably and still money leftover.
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10-13-2021, 07:19 PM
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What’s the energy drink angle? I know their energy drinks are the only thing I buy there, but are they going to can it?
Of course they will. It's an insanely large market share they can tap & dominate. I think the can already exists, just needs better national distribution.

This thing is the lock of a lifetime imo.
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Of course they will. It's an insanely large market share they can tap & dominate. I think the can already exists, just needs better national distribution.

This thing is the lock of a lifetime imo.
Market cap 2B…. jebus. Also, what is their energy drink? Coffee or something more similar to a soda?





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I was in Chicago (living alone) from 23-32. Towards the end of 2020, it was right before the election, there were talks of civil war and mass riots. Chicago got hit pretty hard just from BLM riots, I was in an upscale part of downtown and there were notices in our highrise building saying that people were getting robbed. Lots of luxury stores got hit, walls boarded up and whatnot. I figured, everything was shut down for the most part and the city seemed dead in the winter, I was paying rent/state taxes for nothing. I was already partially remote prior to the pandemic and I took a gamble to see if they'd let me go fully remote.. and they did. So I packed up all my stuff in a storage unit and left. I'm approaching a year living with parents now and am moving out come January. Lost a year of social life but eh.. gained quite a bit of savings and cleared some debts that would've taken me many years to do otherwise, and also got permanent remote work status, so I'd say it was a good move.

Kind of pissed that the pandemic isn't over yet and that these mandates came up.. definitely didn't expect that. Had plans to move to east coast but now, will probably stay in Texas for another year
Meh. I think almost everyone lost a year in one way or another. My life slowed down significantly too. It feels like my friends and I hang out significantly less and its just normal now. We used to have shyt planned literally every weekend.
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10-14-2021, 01:09 AM
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We still crashing??

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You are already losing -5% a year due to inflation just off the bat if you arent making money in this market I've got some bad news lmfaoo
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UPST priced at tree-fiddy pre-market (ath)

We rejecting or plowing through?

Market cap 2B…. jebus. Also, what is their energy drink? Coffee or something more similar to a soda?
Soda.

Not like those ass-tier Starbucks bottled coffees lmao. Does ANYONE like those?
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UPST priced at tree-fiddy pre-market (ath)

We rejecting or plowing through?



Soda.

Not like those ass-tier Starbucks bottled coffees lmao. Does ANYONE like those?
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zhit is ripping today…

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