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post 1457561103 08-14-2016, 11:37 AM
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Pretty surprised by how many dummies in here think its ONLY cals in vs cals out.

Yes Cals in vs Cals out will make you lose WEIGHT but doesn't guarantee you will lose primarily body fat. Good luck with your skinny fat goals of peace
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post 1457563843 08-14-2016, 12:04 PM
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Yes thermodynamics is so crazy
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Originally Posted By bbsitum⏩
This is true. I was 170 pounds till 25. Eat like 4 eggs and 200gr bacon for dining, nothing didn't help. Now when I'm older eat 3 time less but manage to build some muscle.
And funny how skinny teens jump at gear to basically mess theirs perfectly balanced endocrine system.
Lol moron
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post 1457565323 08-14-2016, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By nzgs⏩
Aerobic exercise (all forms) are the most overrated contributor to fat loss. It isn't necessary and it can even be counterproductive. The only reason to do aerobics is for recreation or for competition. Weightlifting is the best form of cardio and the best accessory to fat loss.

I wish people would get over this aerobics fad, it's like everyone is still stuck in the 80s just the same way as everyone still does stupid Weider-style high volume workouts.
Agreed. My squat sessions were taking a hit because I would do cardio twice a week..no thanks jeff. Long walks for an hour to burn an extra 400 calories result in the same amount of fat loss as cardio, and it impedes recovery less.
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This looks like a good place to ask my question, misc experts.

My genetics are frustrating.


Whenever i get leaner, my face goes full skeletal mode

Traps, and upper chest get alot thinner and flatter. I start looking like i am "I'll" get comments about face, looking more sunken

Ab definition hasn't improved much at all in comparison, Abs are visible but not lean enough. I want to continue losing more fat to get my abs ripped, but by this point the rest of my body feels to thin.

I have nice definition everywhere except my abs. I lose all motivation to continue cutting because of this situation.

what da fuk do i do pls
Me too. Everyone in my family is saying I'm getting too lean/look sickly..everyone at work/school/people who I haven't met in awhile are saying the same thing. My face/arms/traps/delts get lean first but my lower back/abs lose fat last..so I'd have to cut to like 10-12% to see it..which means my face will become even more sunk in.

No fukks given though.
Originally Posted By JRJester⏩
lol there's not much you can do.

I'm in the same boat as you, my face naturally holds very little fat.

even at 15% b.f people were asking if I was sick, face was sunken etc.

nothing you can do about where your body stores fat
Feels.
Originally Posted By PaddleBunt⏩
Pretty surprised by how many dummies in here think its ONLY cals in vs cals out.

Yes Cals in vs Cals out will make you lose WEIGHT but doesn't guarantee you will lose primarily body fat. Good luck with your skinny fat goals of peace
Yeah you're right..that's why every smart guy ITT saying cals in vs cals out also says that you have to continue to lift/progressively overload/try to keep your strength up in the gym along with being in a deficit.

Retard..tell me what else in the fukking world one needs to do other than eat in a deficit, lift heavy/progressively overload and burn calories taking long walks/doing low intensity cardio?

inb4 muh HIIT, muh carb recycling, muh keto, muh no gluten/sugar/processed foods lmao. *******s like you are why the vast majority of the world population are obese/confused about fat loss. It's as simple as 3 things.

BMR = 1750 calories
TDEE = However many calories you burn a day over your BMR (I burn a minimum of 950 calories a day guarantee according to my fitbit) so it's 2700
Daily calorie intake to lose 1.5lbs a week NOT taking extra cardio/calories burned above that 950 calorie mark = 1950'ish

BAM. Easy as pie. You can even eat 3000 calories one day a week, and lower the other 6 days a week..as long as the calories after 7 days average out to 1950-2000 calories eaten a day..you're in a 750 calorie deficit below your TDEE aka losing 1.5lbs.

THIS.

IS.

SCIENCE.
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Originally Posted By PaddleBunt⏩
Pretty surprised by how many dummies in here think its ONLY cals in vs cals out.

Yes Cals in vs Cals out will make you lose WEIGHT but doesn't guarantee you will lose primarily body fat. Good luck with your skinny fat goals of peace
false. macros and micros make percentage points of a difference in change in body comp. i don't think fuking eugene sandow was eating 200g protein 6 meals a day
post 1457565803 08-14-2016, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted By BloodyBaron⏩
Agreed. My squat sessions were taking a hit because I would do cardio twice a week..no thanks jeff. Long walks for an hour to burn an extra 400 calories result in the same amount of fat loss as cardio, and it impedes recovery less.



Me too. Everyone in my family is saying I'm getting too lean/look sickly..everyone at work/school/people who I haven't met in awhile are saying the same thing. My face/arms/traps/delts get lean first but my lower back/abs lose fat last..so I'd have to cut to like 10-12% to see it..which means my face will become even more sunk in.

No fukks given though.



Feels.



Yeah you're right..that's why every smart guy ITT saying cals in vs cals out also says that you have to continue to lift/progressively overload/try to keep your strength up in the gym along with being in a deficit.

Retard..tell me what else in the fukking world one needs to do other than eat in a deficit, lift heavy/progressively overload and burn calories taking long walks/doing low intensity cardio?

inb4 muh HIIT, muh carb recycling, muh keto, muh no gluten/sugar/processed foods lmao. *******s like you are why the vast majority of the world population are obese/confused about fat loss. It's as simple as 3 things.

BMR = 1750 calories
TDEE = However many calories you burn a day over your BMR (I burn a minimum of 950 calories a day guarantee according to my fitbit) so it's 2700
Daily calorie intake to lose 1.5lbs a week NOT taking extra cardio/calories burned above that 950 calorie mark = 1950'ish

BAM. Easy as pie. You can even eat 3000 calories one day a week, and lower the other 6 days a week..as long as the calories after 7 days average out to 1950-2000 calories eaten a day..you're in a 750 calorie deficit below your TDEE aka losing 1.5lbs.

THIS.

IS.

SCIENCE.
But muh hormonal response
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
you are missing the point, dieting just accounts for total mass lost which is fat+ muscle, HIIT is a way to lose fat without losing the muscle. A high intensity HIIT can burn fat and your diet can still add muscle. When i was in the police academy i was doing 6miles of 400m sprints almost everyday as a road guard. I was 165lbs at 10%bf going into the academy i ended at190and probably around7%bf.HIIT is much better for overall fat loss than just dieting
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post 1457566513 08-14-2016, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted By naich⏩
Absolutely not.
Lmao those are IFBB Mens Physique stats.
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Originally Posted By BloodyBaron⏩
Lmao those are IFBB Mens Physique stats.
Blows my mind how someone can bullchit so hard about stats that it puts them above the worlds best (actually natty) bodybuilders lol

This one time I did two sessions of HIIT back to back and my next squat session I did 765 for three reps at 185 lbs...then i measured my legs at 32 inches...did i mention i was 7%??!!
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post 1457567923 08-14-2016, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted By midcoastking33⏩
lol no. genetics are, followed by activity level. lol @ eating clean
This. I eat wawa mcdonalds chipotle pizza.
still 7% bodyfat
Dont know how to cook crew.
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Originally Posted By naich⏩
Blows my mind how someone can bullchit so hard about stats that it puts them above the worlds best (actually natty) bodybuilders lol

This one time I did two sessions of HIIT back to back and my next squat session I did 765 for three reps at 185 lbs...then i measured my legs at 32 inches...did i mention i was 7%??!!
People underestimate their bodyfat %. To actually reach and maintain 10% is A LOT more complex and harder than anyone thinks. Those that say 7% 9% etc are just full of chit.
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Originally Posted By AyyBrah⏩
People underestimate their bodyfat %. To actually reach and maintain 10% is A LOT more complex and harder than anyone thinks. Those that say 7% 9% etc are just full of chit.
this is so true

most people never reach 10%
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
this is so true

most people never reach 10%
So when you go out, YOU SEE A LOT OF GUYS SUB 12% BF?
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Originally Posted By AyyBrah⏩
So when you go out, YOU SEE A LOT OF GUYS SUB 12% BF?
I'd say your average person is 15-25% bodyfat.. even the guys that look somewhat lean with a pump

there's just so much fat on the glutes/hamstrings/love handles/lower back/chest that people pass off as muscle when it's not
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not that crazy... pretty easy to understand...x2 on IF making being in a deficit much easier
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Any proof about the 7% at 190 claim??
Since you are so adamant about defending it
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩


there is literally so much evidence out there showing you are wrong its mindboggling. HIIT is the ultimate fat loss, why do you think sprinters and swimmers can have low bodyfat while eating a ton of calories?
Sprinters and swimmers use drugs and do intense weightlifting. That's the reason for their body composition.

I'm not saying HIIT doesn't work, it does. It just doesn't work as well as simply adjusting diet and increasing weightlifting intensity. HIIT is very limited in scope since it only recruits muscles in the lower body, mostly slow twitch, and "cardio" is actually adaptations in the muscle cells themselves so you want to recruit the entire body and all muscle fibres. Only weightlifting can achieve this.
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I have a cousin that I sometimes hang out with and I haven't seen him ingest another fluid than beers and the occasional coffee. He'll drink a minimum of 6 beers for dinner and when we go out, he orders up to 10 beers a night. He doesn't workout, but does construction. And he is ripped

I then have this other cousin who played professional/semi-pro soccer in Austria until the age of 30 and was in excellent physical shape througout. Eventually, he ran out of a contract and settled for an office job and is now raising a young family. He never drank or smoke and eats pretty clean. However, as he stoppes playing soccer, he now has a pretty big belly, without changing the quality of his nutrition
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Originally Posted By ScottGomez⏩
I have a cousin that I sometimes hang out with and I haven't seen him ingest another fluid than beers and the occasional coffee. He'll drink a minimum of 6 beers for dinner and when we go out, he orders up to 10 beers a night. Yet he's ripped.
genetics
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Originally Posted By kahri⏩
genetics
Yup :/

The problem with exercise is as soon as you stop, your genetics take over
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Originally Posted By ScottGomez⏩
Yup :/

The problem with exercise is as soon as you stop, your genetics take over
And sometimes you can't help it if you injure your back from squats, then you can barely move for 6 weeks. Eat 1800 cals a day and gain body fat so the fat on top of muscle makes you look like a ****ing linebacker.

Then once you can lift you have to go easy and not go back to a 6x a week lifting plan.

Fuuuu I hate injuries. They say eat less but then you wake up throughout the night starving.
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Originally Posted By HELIX35⏩
You aren't arguing with us, you are claiming that your body violates the laws of thermodyanmics

Go to MIT to be studied immediately since your body is apparently unique among 7 billion


tldr; you are wrong
lool dead.


I always went wrong with cuts in the past because I would not count macros/cals from things like cooking oils, milk in teas/coffees, or be starving when I got home and just had 'a couple biscuits' or something, all of which would knock my deficit up by like 500 and push me to my maitenance level (or very close to that).

Best way to cut, is to track EVERYTHING that goes into your mouth on myfitnesspal, increase your activity level (e.g. walk 10K steps a day everyday instead of 1500 or something, and will burn an extra 300 or so cals, or add cardio in, so you can eat more) and just give it time.

Cutting is fkn boring and lifting weights is so unmotivating knowing that you are not going to be making any gains whatsoever.

I swear to God, I am never letting myself get over 10% bodyfat ever again.
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Originally Posted By naich⏩
Blows my mind how someone can bullchit so hard about stats that it puts them above the worlds best (actually natty) bodybuilders lol

This one time I did two sessions of HIIT back to back and my next squat session I did 765 for three reps at 185 lbs...then i measured my legs at 32 inches...did i mention i was 7%??!!
LOl i know and then people say "genetics"

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Originally Posted By jcto⏩
This. I eat wawa mcdonalds chipotle pizza.
still 7% bodyfat
Dont know how to cook crew.
you are 135 lol but I can sit here and say you aren't 7%. You know how hard it is to retain 7-9% year round? There is a reason bodybuilders go on cycles of eating normal or more then cutting down pre shows
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Also gotta keep in mind fat loss isn't perfectly linear. Could easily just be in a stall phase for a week.

Also you must be very active cause my TDEE is around 2700.
I'm your height but about 12-17 pounds heavier. I lift 6x a week and play basketball 3-5x a week and I only have a tdee of 3050. I track my intake and weight on excell and have done so for past few months. Doubt that guy has a higher tdee than me
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I could eat cake and drink beers all day as long as my cardio is on point


Diet matters for true low body fat aka unhealthy

You are ****ing stupid if you think stage level body fat is healthy

All you mofos concerned about being ripped for no reason, guys on here with 15-20% body fat and more ripped than you
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Originally Posted By Eskimo⏩
I could eat cake and drink beers all day as long as my cardio is on point
brb cardio 200 - 600 calories

brb beer and cake 1000+ minimum

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