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post 1492296731 04-24-2017, 12:43 PM
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post 1492298851 04-24-2017, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Butchaz
Would play headsup for rolls against.

How would you not flip there leo with all the dead money...

Even if im 50.0000001% and theres no money in pot id take that flip every time (excluding rake).
Because with the action the way it played vs probably an 18/16 player I put villain on flush draw with pair, set or two pair. Thats the range I have him on with the preflop and post flop action.

I'm not willing to go broke in a deep stack game with just a pair when I can find a better spot I see the value here marginal at best played over infinity.
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Originally Posted By Butchaz
Out of position i like a shove more. Plus the fact that the extra player makes it that the raiser is almost never bluffing with air (if he was we would want to call to let him continue with his bluffs).

So due to the raise being almost all value/strong drawing hands and us being out of position, i like a shove more.
Ye, I don't mind the shove OOP if you don't mind some variance. The reason I suggested call, check-call on a no heart turn, is just to reduce variance - but a good player can shove a heart turn and exploit you. So ye, prefer the shove.
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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah
Didn't read hand as it's hard as phuck to read due to not being converted into a readable format.
Didn't read thread to avoid inevitable cringe @ misc poker experts

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post 1492305681 04-24-2017, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted By WinnerByChoke
Perhaps I am confusing you with someone else, but haven't you started poker related threads in the past?

Best case scenario? He bet 1/3 pot after a reraise to an UTG 3 bet raise! If that doesn't say KK,QQ,JJ or IDK what I'm doing... nothing does. Best case scenario is villain folds or calls with Ax and is dominated (this is the most likely given previous information stated)

You're ignoring the context that OP plays tight (probably TAP) reraised 10x blinds, then bet 1/3 pot. Given that information no way villain is reraising with a made hand, he is either drawing or has a dead ace... and you want your money in against either one of those (not to mention potential fold equity). This is a relatively easy spot (but definitely could be confusing given OP's poker experience)

For example, let's say I'm playing with op and have 10/J spades UTG and make that first call. You bet 55 into 165 I'm going to fold 75%, squeeze play 25% based on his bet size. You bet 140 into 165 I fold 100% of the time. Of course this is all dependent on what type of player these people are etc. etc.
Haven't made any poker threads on the misc. Disagree that villain never raises a made hand, most players have a "me have good hand, me raise" mentality, and tbh if I somehow have a set or 2 pair I'm still raising to put value hands into my raise range.

I still think I'm checking in op's position to protect my 1010 to KK range, check raising AA, AK with a heart, and 109h, 98h.
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Am I reading it wrong

UTG rse to 15. (66+ AQo+)
UTG+1. Call. (22+ AKo)
OP raise to 50
Btn call. (22+Aks, 78s+ if Laggy)
UTG call ( 22+)

As 6h 2h
UTG checks
OP bet 50
Btn raise to 200

Given that action I easily see Btn easing for value.
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post 1492310531 04-24-2017, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted By MUSCLE-man-TOM
Be cool to get a thread going of some hand analysis'. Can anyone give me their thoughts on a hand I played last weekend at the local casino? I'm about 6 months in playing live cash games and I'm still getting used to the lingo, anyway here we go:

2/5 NL 9 players

UTG opens for $15, UTG+1 calls and folds to me in MP which I come in for a raise with AK of diamonds for $50, it Folds to the button who makes the call and the initial raiser calls. we go 3 ways to the flop

flop: As 6h 2h

UTG checks, I bet $55 into a pot of $180, the button check raises me to $200 and the UTG folds.
The player on the button is a local reg at the casino, he's a very good aggressive player and is capable of having a wide range of hands with a $55 pre flop bet in position. I have a very tight image on the table and he knows I'm not leading out with anything less than AK in this position. If I flat the flop I know there's a very good chance he's going to jam all in on the turn regardless of what comes out, so I figure I have 2 options, either to fold or jam on the flop. I give it some thought and ultimately come to the conclusion to fold, I'm getting just a little over 2-1 to call and I just can't see how I am ever ahead in this situation.

He shows me Ah 9h, and said he would have snapped called me if I jambed my $650 stack on the flop. I was basically called an idiot at the table after revealing to them I had AK.
But with a little over 2-1 pot odds and essentially being at the very bottom of the range for calling the flop I dont' see how I could have made the call, even the flush draw. what are you thoughts? thanks
Stack sizes are helpful for hand analysis.

IF you do have a tight image you have to definitely consider what your opponents are thinking of you. (It is helpful to play some hands loosely... showdown weak holdings... this helps to show your opponents you are capable of playing ANY holdings. With that being said you should do this very rarely... not too loose or you will obviously lose a lot!) Keep in mind opponents will play off of your tight image - which can actually hurt you - make it easier to play against tight people.) Players will plays hands like A6-A2 to try and snap a tight player off their stack.

It is critical to pay the most attentions to the players immediately acting behind you. Specifically in this hand the Button.
1. How many hands and what types of hands has the button called $50 preflop?? (What kind of hands will he call the 3bet as opposed to raising again preflop?)
2. Has the button been playing hands like A-little?? (are A6 and A2 in his range?)
3. Does he play hands like 3h4h? Will he raise on flush draw alone? like a JhTh?? Will he only raise with the nut draw??
4. Has he been showing little pairs? 22 - 66? -> It is reasonable to have a set in this situation. How has the button played sets in hands prior?
**5. You have to go through ALL ranges of hands this guy has played and how he played them. You don't have to narrow it down to his EXACT hand but yet the situation and how he was played them in the passed.**
5. If you can Easily conclude he would make this play with a flush draw/straight draw/or even a bluff... then you should move all-in.
6. If you can put him on a flush draw - will your all-in bet be enough to push him off of a draw?? Because in this case you could have won the entire pot if he folded!! Maybe he is the type of player to call the nut flush draw no matter what? (This is something to consider)

Although you folded when you were ahead he still had 12 outs X2. Turn and River drawing to nine hearts and three nines. But still you always want your money in when you're ahead.

Another note. Obviously your reputation cannot be too tight. You are being raised on that board with a weaker ace. 'If you think someone is tight.. would you raise them with weak A kicker??

I think an easy ship based on the info you provided. But you must consider the questions above.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1
Am I reading it wrong

UTG rse to 15. (66+ AQo+)
UTG+1. Call. (22+ AKo)
OP raise to 50
Btn call. (22+Aks, 78s+ if Laggy)
UTG call ( 22+)

As 6h 2h
UTG checks
OP bet 50
Btn raise to 200

Given that action I easily see Btn easing for value.
Well done in last several posts, I know someone was bashing you early on, but obviously you know what you're talking about.

On that note, 22+Aks, 78s+ on a26 board with AK how would you fold to a raise? As the poster above me stated there are many variables to take into consideration and that goes for every hand. However in this situation, how often is he raising with Ax or 9 10 hearts as opposed to 22 or 66? Any time you can get money in +EV you should (especially in a live game). I can see looking for a better spot...but this was about as good a spot as it gets.

Especially coupled in with his weak bet prompting a raise in almost every situation from any knowledgeable player (assuming it isn't a level), I see no choice but to shove.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1
Am I reading it wrong

UTG rse to 15. (66+ AQo+)
UTG+1. Call. (22+ AKo)
OP raise to 50
Btn call. (22+Aks, 78s+ if Laggy)
UTG call ( 22+)

As 6h 2h
UTG checks
OP bet 50
Btn raise to 200

Given that action I easily see Btn easing for value.
Value bets dont bet that hard. Looks like villain wanted OP to fold.
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Btn has top pair with flush draw, not a bad fold at all..what's the problem here?
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Originally Posted By DeluxeDerek
I think an easy ship based on the info you provided. But you must consider the questions above.
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Originally Posted By disphugginflip
Value bets dont bet that hard. Looks like villain wanted OP to fold.
Here is my view.

OP has 550 behind after flop bet.

Now me personally I'm betting sets, two pair and flush draws for value here.

If I only flat a set now the pot is still super snall. I want him to overvalue his AK. I know if my flush hits the turn OP shuts down. I know if I flat the flop OP should get supicious and check turn. Then if I bet the turn it very well could go check fold.

The only way I'm building a pot to get paid on a flush or set or two pair is to do it now.
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Originally Posted By Luc1fer
The bigger question is, why is your name in mod colors?
suh dude
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1
Here is my view.

OP has 550 behind after flop bet.

Now me personally I'm betting sets, two pair and flush draws for value here.

If I only flat a set now the pot is still super snall. I want him to overvalue his AK. I know if my flush hits the turn OP shuts down. I know if I flat the flop OP should get supicious and check turn. Then if I bet the turn it very well could go check fold.

The only way I'm building a pot to get paid on a flush or set or two pair is to do it now.
You should be raising all made hands that beat AK, thats a given.

If you had a set why raise from 55 to 200? If you flat flop why would OP be suspicious on that board? You can easily have A10-AQ. Proper raise sizing for value is ~3X.

OP fukked up telling us villains hand.
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Originally Posted By disphugginflip
OP fukked up telling us villains hand.
This, if you want non biased advice on a hand don't tell the people you are talking with the result... just creates bias
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must be trolling with these 2 sentences in 1 post
How so?
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn
Does the button 4bet pre here with 66 and 22 everytime?
Button folds 66/22 vs 3bet.
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need some moar hands posted, good fred so far
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Yeah there's actually some decent analysis now after the thread threatened to degenerate into the usual online poker troll sh*t of "Lolz donk I'll play you heads up for my roll any time blabla"
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1
Here is my view.

OP has 550 behind after flop bet.

Now me personally I'm betting sets, two pair and flush draws for value here.

If I only flat a set now the pot is still super snall. I want him to overvalue his AK. I know if my flush hits the turn OP shuts down. I know if I flat the flop OP should get supicious and check turn. Then if I bet the turn it very well could go check fold.

The only way I'm building a pot to get paid on a flush or set or two pair is to do it now.
What you say may be true (although it's a pretty big raise if he's trying to build a pot, especially as the way we've played the hand makes it look like we have something like JJ/QQ/KK), but my general thinking on this one is that if you're gonna play AK just to fold on an A high flop to the first sign of aggression then I just can't see that being a good play enough of the time to be +EV. Personally I shove here but I do see where you're coming from.
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bump, let's get discussing pokerexperts

MTT(not my hand)

UTG+2: 15,600 (31.2 bb)
MP1: 12,214 (24.4 bb)
MP2: 6,109 (12.2 bb)
MP3: 13,595 (27.2 bb)
CO: 9,985 (20 bb)
BTN: 9,257 (18.5 bb)
SB: 11,271 (22.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 17,298 (34.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with9s Qh
6 folds, SB raises to 1,210, Hero calls 710

Flop: (2,940)3s 8c Qs(2 players)
SB bets 1,205, Hero calls 1,205

Turn: (5,350)4c(2 players)
SB bets 2,838, Hero calls 2,838

River: (11,026)6h(2 players)
SB bets 5,953 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,953
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Originally Posted By MUSCLE-man-TOM
Be cool to get a thread going of some hand analysis'. Can anyone give me their thoughts on a hand I played last weekend at the local casino? I'm about 6 months in playing live cash games and I'm still getting used to the lingo, anyway here we go:

2/5 NL 9 players

UTG opens for $15, UTG+1 calls and folds to me in MP which I come in for a raise with AK of diamonds for $50, it Folds to the button who makes the call and the initial raiser calls. we go 3 ways to the flop

flop: As 6h 2h

UTG checks, I bet $55 into a pot of $180, the button check raises me to $200 and the UTG folds.
The player on the button is a local reg at the casino, he's a very good aggressive player and is capable of having a wide range of hands with a $55 pre flop bet in position. I have a very tight image on the table and he knows I'm not leading out with anything less than AK in this position. If I flat the flop I know there's a very good chance he's going to jam all in on the turn regardless of what comes out, so I figure I have 2 options, either to fold or jam on the flop. I give it some thought and ultimately come to the conclusion to fold, I'm getting just a little over 2-1 to call and I just can't see how I am ever ahead in this situation.

He shows me Ah 9h, and said he would have snapped called me if I jambed my $650 stack on the flop. I was basically called an idiot at the table after revealing to them I had AK.
But with a little over 2-1 pot odds and essentially being at the very bottom of the range for calling the flop I dont' see how I could have made the call, even the flush draw. what are you thoughts? thanks
Just because you play tight, doesn't mean others know this, or even know wtf they're doing. The only thing that made sense for him to have, would be AQh, AJh, AQh, and possibly KQh until the flop in which he re-raised which would have eliminated this, but otherwise you obviously had him beat. Raised to $50 in 2/5 and the button calls, I'd be confused as fu*k as to what he had but know I was beating him at that point. The was absolutely no reason to let that hand go, and really, you could have called or the better option, shoved. It does make sense to him that he would call a shove and really he has reason to with all that's already in the pot and only needing to hit the flush, or even hitting a 9. The fact that he was even in with A9h is mind boggling and shows how loose he is. The correct play for him was to re-raise you which he did, but that's because he had the Ace with a nut flush up on the board. You technically had him beat odd-wise, which is why if you could have correctly put him on that hand (with knowledge/experience, it was obvious he had AXh), your correct play would have been to shove.

ps. Only reason he is a fish is because A9h should have been folded, even on the button. It's an enticing hand, but not when it gets raised UTG, called UTG+1, and re-raised from MP. He could have elected to call your bet, however, a re-raise is definitely a fine option, but that did mean he was committed, meaning he's hoping for that heart.


Oh, and I'm not that good at poker, but this seemed obvious to me. In fact, I haven't been able to play it much since I live in Japan at the moment.
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thought it was pretty obvious since he knows you're tight he'd be betting on a flush draw in which case you have the odds and it is worth you going all in over the top of him. What someone else mentioned also, since 3 of you were in the hand post flop you should have bet more strongly KNOWING you have the best hand considering the way the hand was played pre-flop.
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Originally Posted By Archigainz
bump, let's get discussing pokerexperts

MTT(not my hand)

UTG+2: 15,600 (31.2 bb)
MP1: 12,214 (24.4 bb)
MP2: 6,109 (12.2 bb)
MP3: 13,595 (27.2 bb)
CO: 9,985 (20 bb)
BTN: 9,257 (18.5 bb)
SB: 11,271 (22.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 17,298 (34.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with9s Qh
6 folds, SB raises to 1,210, Hero calls 710

Flop: (2,940)3s 8c Qs(2 players)
SB bets 1,205, Hero calls 1,205

Turn: (5,350)4c(2 players)
SB bets 2,838, Hero calls 2,838

River: (11,026)6h(2 players)
SB bets 5,953 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,953
easy fold preflop
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Originally Posted By Archigainz
bump, let's get discussing pokerexperts

MTT(not my hand)

UTG+2: 15,600 (31.2 bb)
MP1: 12,214 (24.4 bb)
MP2: 6,109 (12.2 bb)
MP3: 13,595 (27.2 bb)
CO: 9,985 (20 bb)
BTN: 9,257 (18.5 bb)
SB: 11,271 (22.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 17,298 (34.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with9s Qh
6 folds, SB raises to 1,210, Hero calls 710

Flop: (2,940)3s 8c Qs(2 players)
SB bets 1,205, Hero calls 1,205

Turn: (5,350)4c(2 players)
SB bets 2,838, Hero calls 2,838

River: (11,026)6h(2 players)
SB bets 5,953 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,953
I'm folding the turn, villian probably had 44. Raise PF, bet into flop to gauge strength, then hit miracle on the turn.
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post 1492557141 04-26-2017, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted By Archigainz
bump, let's get discussing pokerexperts

MTT(not my hand)

UTG+2: 15,600 (31.2 bb)
MP1: 12,214 (24.4 bb)
MP2: 6,109 (12.2 bb)
MP3: 13,595 (27.2 bb)
CO: 9,985 (20 bb)
BTN: 9,257 (18.5 bb)
SB: 11,271 (22.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 17,298 (34.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with9s Qh
6 folds, SB raises to 1,210, Hero calls 710

Flop: (2,940)3s 8c Qs(2 players)
SB bets 1,205, Hero calls 1,205

Turn: (5,350)4c(2 players)
SB bets 2,838, Hero calls 2,838

River: (11,026)6h(2 players)
SB bets 5,953 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,953
This is standard, gg, wp, next hand

With reads everything changes though, so always keep that in mind
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post 1492558601 04-26-2017, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted By MUSCLE-man-TOM
Be cool to get a thread going of some hand analysis'. Can anyone give me their thoughts on a hand I played last weekend at the local casino? I'm about 6 months in playing live cash games and I'm still getting used to the lingo, anyway here we go:

2/5 NL 9 players

UTG opens for $15, UTG+1 calls and folds to me in MP which I come in for a raise with AK of diamonds for $50, it Folds to the button who makes the call and the initial raiser calls. we go 3 ways to the flop

flop: As 6h 2h

UTG checks, I bet $55 into a pot of $180, the button check raises me to $200 and the UTG folds.
The player on the button is a local reg at the casino, he's a very good aggressive player and is capable of having a wide range of hands with a $55 pre flop bet in position. I have a very tight image on the table and he knows I'm not leading out with anything less than AK in this position. If I flat the flop I know there's a very good chance he's going to jam all in on the turn regardless of what comes out, so I figure I have 2 options, either to fold or jam on the flop. I give it some thought and ultimately come to the conclusion to fold, I'm getting just a little over 2-1 to call and I just can't see how I am ever ahead in this situation.

He shows me Ah 9h, and said he would have snapped called me if I jambed my $650 stack on the flop. I was basically called an idiot at the table after revealing to them I had AK.
But with a little over 2-1 pot odds and essentially being at the very bottom of the range for calling the flop I dont' see how I could have made the call, even the flush draw. what are you thoughts? thanks
I didn't read the other posts so this is probably all said before but 2 points off the bat. 1) Don't tell us the results of the hand beforehand, it skews the analysis. 2) Include how deep you are.

Analysis: He's calling a 3bet from UTG which suggests he is likely fairly strong as he is out of position. Cavet: If he views you as weak, he might open up his range to abuse you if you miss. Based on the flop and your action, it looks like you hit and he can reasonably put you on a ace mid/high kick or a pocket pair and hoping he missed an ace. For him, his range is likely a weaker ace than yours, pocket pair, hearts or air. I think two pair is unlikely because it's pretty loose to play ace 2/ace 6 UTG to a 3bet from a tight player when there is a good chance you have an ace. It doesn't really make sense to bet with a pocket pair/mid ace here because if you're ahead you're losing value and if you're behind, they arent' folding. I'd say a flush draw is the most likely here.

The smart play, IMO, is let another card peel off and evaluate. If you're going to fold to a shove regardless, then folding on the flop is the right move. Personally, I'd of called the flop and check/call the turn unless a heart peeled off.
post 1492558941 04-26-2017, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1
Because with the action the way it played vs probably an 18/16 player I put villain on flush draw with pair, set or two pair. Thats the range I have him on with the preflop and post flop action.

I'm not willing to go broke in a deep stack game with just a pair when I can find a better spot I see the value here marginal at best played over infinity.
130 bb stack in a 3bet pot? Thats not deep stack.
SPR is a bit over 3 on a drawy but as safe as it gets board (as in 2 pairs are very unlikely). Its an automatic stack off with AK here.

+ we dont have Ah

Plus what 2 pairs are you giving villain here? You give him all A2 and A6 and 22 combos here? no.
(Although with the bitch 3bet that OP made preflop 22 is a call i guess in crtain live tables).

In addition, OP made a small bet that invites naked draws and even an occasional weaker ace to a raise as well.
With those stack sizes in a 3bet pot, its a shove. Youre only getting stacked by the occasional 66 here.
post 1492559111 04-26-2017, 11:08 AM
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Not folding. He is either repping Ax, a set or a flush. Very unlikely he has 66 or 22. Could be repping a flush draw, but you still have to call and only worry if a heart comes out. Bad fold, but don't worry brah happens to us all.
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Originally Posted By Archigainz
bump, let's get discussing pokerexperts

MTT(not my hand)

UTG+2: 15,600 (31.2 bb)
MP1: 12,214 (24.4 bb)
MP2: 6,109 (12.2 bb)
MP3: 13,595 (27.2 bb)
CO: 9,985 (20 bb)
BTN: 9,257 (18.5 bb)
SB: 11,271 (22.5 bb)
Hero (BB): 17,298 (34.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with9s Qh
6 folds, SB raises to 1,210, Hero calls 710

Flop: (2,940)3s 8c Qs(2 players)
SB bets 1,205, Hero calls 1,205

Turn: (5,350)4c(2 players)
SB bets 2,838, Hero calls 2,838

River: (11,026)6h(2 players)
SB bets 5,953 and is all-in, Hero calls 5,953
Sucky spot. Sucks that we have the 9s as that takes away a lot of the bluffs he barrels with.

Id probably cry fold this but would call some other queens.
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