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brb minimalist 'wallet' that cost $45 but does the same job as a rubber band

the fad that was started to eschew consumerism begets a trend for spending in a new kind of way

people have been living simpler lives for generations. only a group as classless and lacking substance as THIS generation would try to coin a term for it
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It totally is not a trend. I practice it as much as I can (not on the extreme end where I own only 10 total things).
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Originally Posted By Rem0
That seems to be a common motivation... is minimalism about being a nomad? Being mobile enough to pack up and leave because you're discontent
Is there an end goal? does landing a good job, raising a family and making a nice home for them fit in with this trend assuming you live within your means?
It's not about being a nomad. You see... that's the illusion society has programmed into so many people. That in order to have a family, income, security, etc ... that you need to enslave yourself to debt, things, and jobs.

Kids don't need every fricken toy, both parents don't need their own new car, your house doesn't have to be 3000 sq/ft, goodwill has brand new clothes for a few bucks, christmas doesn't have to be a blow out, a $60/mo cell plan isn't a necessity...

When you reduce the bullchit and break the societal programming you gain freedom and time.
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It's boring. I like collecting things. Antiques, anime, music/vinyls, stds, etc. srs have collection of (decent) wristwatches and shoes. Would collect cars and nicer things if I were ceo 10k/day.

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[QUOTE=BetaAsPhuck post_id=1507481631][youtube]g2aQ2e0ch8k[youtube]

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][/QUOTE]The dude in the video is an idiot. If he would have just lived simply the way he is now during is 80k a year job he couldve had enough saved to not need to work at all right now.
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Like everything, there is probably a balance at some point. You dont need to live in a trailor or a hut in the woods without sewage or a laptop to be happy, but you also probably wont be much happier with the newest shiny thing, specifically if you are buying it because everyone else is or to show off.


Stuff you spend money on should make you happy and be functional... if it does that, it makes sense. I get the concept--too many *******s buy shyt just to show off and waste money on useless ****, impulse buys, etc. But on the same token, a ,lot of things that are fun and enjoyable tod cost money and are materialistic.... shoes, laptops, TVs, video games, cars, etc
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Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah
True that has always existed. My point was that there are people who were happy with what they had thousands of years ago. Read stories of the Bible and the Buddha. They basically preached minimalism. Its not a new concept by any means. Meanwhile OP thinks its a "trend"

Originally Posted By MyBaddBrah
I'll take the definition that's been used for thousands of years over the one that was written 2 years ago by some hipster phucktard on Urban Dictionary, thank you very much.
You are defining modern minimalism as a form of simple living going back thousands of years, or something akin to asceticism/monasticism when the term minimalism itself was only birthed in the 1900's in reference to art style. You are associating something that has been around for thousands of years and calling it minimalism, when it is neither the traditional nor conventional definition of minimalism.

So yes, modern minimalism is a trend and actually it is a relatively new concept and should not be used interchangeably with asceticism as in your Buddhism example. Up until recent years minimalism generally referred to an avante garde art style.

Like I've said already, language is conventional. YOU can choose to define minimalism as a Biblical/Buddhist form of simple living, but that is not the conventional definition of the word. I can call a dog a cat but because the majority of people do not, it will never make it so. The term, in context of lifestyle, is conventionally used to describe the modern minimalism movement whether you like it or not.

If you won't accept some Urban Dictionary definition, how about you accept one from Merriam Webster?
: a style or technique (as in music, literature, or design) that is characterized by extreme spareness and simplicity

First Known Use of minimalism
1927
It's funny because an Urban Dictionary definition would have better supported you.

You are probably asking now what is the modern minimalism movement? Well as discussed ITT it is a movement/trend that adopts from asceticism. It targets the modern man in an age of consumerism and mass advertising. It has good concepts but it has fallen into a hole the same way the fitness industry has where it has become a trendy cult and more for the ego than for the purpose. And ironically it has also become a subliminal product in itself.

I guess you could consider it a pop culture form of asceticism.

Like just look at this video "Travel vs Vacation"... They know just how to capitalize on the millennial generation.



Travelling is not directly linked to an ascetic lifestyle at all. Of course they take advantage of the vagabond culture and millennial desires to include it into their idea of minimalism.
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I thought this was a thread about minimal techno tbh.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu
It's not about being a nomad. You see... that's the illusion society has programmed into so many people. That in order to have a family, income, security, etc ... that you need to enslave yourself to debt, things, and jobs.

Kids don't need every fricken toy, both parents don't need their own new car, your house doesn't have to be 3000 sq/ft, goodwill has brand new clothes for a few bucks, christmas doesn't have to be a blow out, a $60/mo cell plan isn't a necessity...

When you reduce the bullchit and break the societal programming you gain freedom and time.
Repped you.

Today parents think their kids need everything​ under the sun to be happy...iPhones, uggs, ipads, but who was quality time?
This whole society has gone to **** with all this technology and social media. No one spends any time together anymore.

Everyone is so caught up in buying the latest crap and getting ahead. Quality Human interaction has gone down to 2%.

I wish we could go back to the 90's if not before
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Originally Posted By Bar182
Why would you attack minimalists? why not attack people lining up outside the APple store at midnight to upgrade their expensive phone to a slightly better expensive phone?

I think I am a minimalist, Its not about getting down to owning less than 50 items, its just only owning things you need.
Because that is a lifestyle choice that is constantly under scrutiny to begin with. Not many people talk about the bullsh!t that "minimalism" has become. I can go on forever about consumerism but I choose not to because I and plenty others have already done so all the time.

People need to get it straight that I am not attacking the lifestyle choice of living a simple life. I am exposing/emphasizing the extent to which modern minimalism is just another pretentious, arbitrary and elitist trend.

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Originally Posted By BostonRockets
Because that is a lifestyle choice that is constantly under scrutiny to begin with. Not many people talk about the bullsh!t that "minimalism" has become. I can go on forever about consumerism but I choose not to because I and plenty others have already done so all the time.

People need to get it straight that I am not attacking the lifestyle choice of living a simple life. I am exposing/emphasizing the extent to which modern minimalism is just another pretentious, arbitrary and elitist trend.

http://i.imgur.com/5xynPSM.jpg
It just sounds like you hate hipsters and how they bastardize everything. That's all you really had to say.
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Originally Posted By BostonRockets
Because that is a lifestyle choice that is constantly under scrutiny to begin with. Not many people talk about the bullsh!t that "minimalism" has become. I can go on forever about consumerism but I choose not to because I and plenty others have already done so all the time.

People need to get it straight that I am not attacking the lifestyle choice of living a simple life. I am exposing/emphasizing the extent to which modern minimalism is just another pretentious, arbitrary and elitist trend.

this picture just seems like the ultimate cope to me - people don't have enough money to buy what they desire, so they pretend they don't desire it
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I'm very pro minimalism and adopting more of it everyday. It's true that most of the **** we simply don't need and lol if you buying stuff to impress others. I get it when you're teenager or at most early 20s, but with time you realize it's all for nothing. All I need is place to sleep, food, basic clothes, phone, laptop and internet. True happiness comes from human connection and situations you put yourself into.

Forgot to add a very important thing - there's basically no pressure to work/work hard, very liberating feeling, enjoying true freedom - that is the ultimate goal.
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Balance is somewhere in the middle of having no chit and too much.

Things are nice. But too much chit can sit unused and clutter your space and mind.

Dont go full retard (follow a trend).
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Originally Posted By BostonRockets
Because that is a lifestyle choice that is constantly under scrutiny to begin with. Not many people talk about the bullsh!t that "minimalism" has become. I can go on forever about consumerism but I choose not to because I and plenty others have already done so all the time.

People need to get it straight that I am not attacking the lifestyle choice of living a simple life. I am exposing/emphasizing the extent to which modern minimalism is just another pretentious, arbitrary and elitist trend.

You could literally select any single lifestyle choice in the world and find someone who takes it so far to the extreme it becomes silly.

The thread is pretty pointless overall.
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Originally Posted By Bar182
You could literally select any single lifestyle choice in the world and find someone who takes it so far to the extreme it becomes silly.

The thread is pretty pointless overall.
It's not even only about extremes, that is just a funny comic that shows one example of the silliness.

Like I showed in my YouTube search post, there is plenty of silliness to be found in the everyday minimalist.
Originally Posted By usersignup2
brb minimalist 'wallet' that cost $45 but does the same job as a rubber band

the fad that was started to eschew consumerism begets a trend for spending in a new kind of way

people have been living simpler lives for generations. only a group as classless and lacking substance as THIS generation would try to coin a term for it
spot on.

lets not forget the white sofa.. because hey, you're a minimalist now

just spent $8000 decorating my apartment to be more congruent with my projected minimalist lifestyle image.
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Originally Posted By BlueSasquatch
The minimalism idea is appealing, but not as appealing as being prepared for anything, so I'd prefer to have to much stuff. I try to reduce my carry when hiking or flying, but if I have a vehicle with me, it's gonna be stocked full of **** I may not need.

Clean simple homes are appealing as well, but my wife and I have a house full of antiques, she collects stoneware like bowls and crocks, has probably a hundred, I have 1-200 antique axes, so we are closer to hoarders than minimalists.

My latest axe restoration, Clear Cut acid-etched head, manufactured for a hardware store (Dunham, Carrigan & Hayden) out of San Fransisco between 1888 and 1927.



Maybe a couple hundred is a bit excess, but I sell them as a side business, had a misc bro buy a nice jersey pattern a year back.


I find the EDC trend to be more lame than the minimalists, they seem to add clutter to their pockets for the sake of sharing a flatlay photo.
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Originally Posted By Lendogg
The dude in the video is an idiot. If he would have just lived simply the way he is now during is 80k a year job he couldve had enough saved to not need to work at all right now.
It wasn't just the money. It was the lifestyle, like he said in the vid.

He was stressed out all of the time, and (seemingly) working long hours.

Now he works 3 days a week.

It's not the money dude, that's a core message of the vid.

I have honestly known people who have worked themselves to the point that they had to quit for their sanity. I think the dude was at that point. If you've never had a job that has almost crushed your spirit (I mean having to hold back from beating the phuck out of your boss every day, being on the verge of quitting everyday, suffering health problems due to stress, etc), you might find it hard to empathize.
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Eh, I think it's a way to avoid rampant materialism. It resonates with our generation because we seek out experiences more than possessions.

Hard to be entirely minimalistic, but you don't need to collect things either. It's also OK to throw away stuff you don't need and leverage technology to be more minimal.
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Originally Posted By faxanadu
One plus about minimalism...

It feels good knowing that within a week i could quite a job i hate, leave a place i hate, fit all my stuff into the back of a pickup truck, and peace out without a care in the world. That's true freedom... and you don't have to be rich to experience it.
And in your life, how many times have you done that so far?
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I watched the documentary on Netflix a few months back-- while I didn't connect with 100% of it, it still made me think. The next day I cleaned out all of the closets in my house--got rid of stuff that I hadn't used or thought about in months or years. It was cathartic to just throw useless chit away (and I donated 15 garbage bags of clothes to Goodwill). I then found Project 333, been practicing(ish) that since. If I buy something new, something gets thrown out or donated. So much easier and much less clutter.
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it's definitely just a trend, it's actually adressed to people who were massive consumer, most people already were "minimalist" or more so "essentialist" as they should be, trying to own as few object as possible is exactly the same as wanting to own a lot , in both case you let how many object you own affect your happiness, wich is stupid. Only someone who buy stuff he doesn't need on a regular basis need to be more "minimalist"
kinda like the people who bragg about how better they feel after they deleted all their social medias, if you come to that point it's because who were way too involved in that chit in the first place
and also everyone who say how much minimalist they are are more often really superficial people, wich is really contradictory
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Have a two bedroom apartment to myself and the cat. Couldn't even think about living in a one bedroom now. I can easily pay for my apartment and invest in the future why would I want to live like a peasant if I don't have to?

I do think minimalism has a point. Buying stuff just to have stuff isn't all that great but as with everything in life it seems that certain people need to be better about it then others. The whole tiny house thing though just seems like a millennial circle jerk. Apparently being two feet away while your girlfriend takes a huge Taco Bell dump is the key to good living.
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Originally Posted By yabbayabba
I do think minimalism has a point. Buying stuff just to have stuff isn't all that great but as with everything in life it seems that certain people need to be better about it then others. The whole tiny house thing though just seems like a millennial circle jerk.
The tiny house thing is pretty extreme and I don't think many people stick with it, just like most people don't stick with living in an RV long term.

IMO unaffordable housing and zoning laws that protect said housing is the biggest catalyst for that.

In most areas it isn't possible to build a small house on a modest lot because the city doesn't allow it. Even in older cities that have existing housing that fits that criteria chances are you can not build a new house like that.

Found empty/available lots in a kind of run down neighborhood and they won't allow you to build a small frame house with wood siding (like the rest of the neighborhood); you have to build a minimum of 1500 sq. ft. with a brick exterior and a two car garage because that is better for the city tax rolls.
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there's a difference between frugal living and minimalist living. For example..you can be rich and yet a minimalist..look at Keanu reeves.

you dont have to compromise your career for minimalist living...but you can spend less on unnecessary crap like apple watch, beats headphones, fancy shoes and clothes every month and cocktail bars and fancy restaurants..and save that money to invest in assets.

i think lot of bad rep is given to minimalist living due to hipsters hijacking it for social media fame.

frugal living is slightly different in the sense that u go for more economic options for same things that u need everyday..like cheaper coffee brands, cheap cable plan etc.

minimalism is more about letting go of those needs completely so you can focus on more important things in life.


yes frugal and minimalist lifestyle have few things in common...in the end both aim to reduce overall spending on material possessions but have different approach.
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Originally Posted By Girlgoneweird
Repped you.

Today parents think their kids need everything​ under the sun to be happy...iPhones, uggs, ipads, but who was quality time?
This whole society has gone to **** with all this technology and social media. No one spends any time together anymore.

Everyone is so caught up in buying the latest crap and getting ahead. Quality Human interaction has gone down to 2%.

I wish we could go back to the 90's if not before
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Originally Posted By Nocturnal310
there's a difference between frugal living and minimalist living. For example..you can be rich and yet a minimalist..look at Keanu reeves.

you dont have to compromise your career for minimalist living...but you can spend less on unnecessary crap like apple watch, beats headphones, fancy shoes and clothes every month and cocktail bars and fancy restaurants..and save that money to invest in assets.

i think lot of bad rep is given to minimalist living due to hipsters hijacking it for social media fame.

frugal living is slightly different in the sense that u go for more economic options for same things that u need everyday..like cheaper coffee brands, cheap cable plan etc.

minimalism is more about letting go of those needs completely so you can focus on more important things in life.


yes frugal and minimalist lifestyle have few things in common...in the end both aim to reduce overall spending on material possessions but have different approach.
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Originally Posted By katya422
The tiny house thing is pretty extreme and I don't think many people stick with it, just like most people don't stick with living in an RV long term.

IMO unaffordable housing and zoning laws that protect said housing is the biggest catalyst for that.

In most areas it isn't possible to build a small house on a modest lot because the city doesn't allow it. Even in older cities that have existing housing that fits that criteria chances are you can not build a new house like that.

Found empty/available lots in a kind of run down neighborhood and they won't allow you to build a small frame house with wood siding (like the rest of the neighborhood); you have to build a minimum of 1500 sq. ft. with a brick exterior and a two car garage because that is better for the city tax rolls.
That winds me up because there's a housing shortage in most places, and it's completely artifical just to keep the house prices rising to keep homeowners happy

I can't wait until that bubble bursts it's gonna be glorious. A house here in the 90's that cost £30,000 is worth £120,000 now... people are gonna lose a ton of money
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